[Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for "goober" of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he includedit in the email. I hope you can follow this. "Soo" now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his newAOL account.He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation replyfrom our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
he's got my vote. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch AndrewsSent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:14 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for "goober" of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he includedit in the email. I hope you can follow this. "Soo" now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his newAOL account.He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation replyfrom our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
We block all POP3 and aliases that forward to aol.com because customers always manage to report the messages forwarded from our server as spam, and consequently blacklist our server with AOL. Customers ... sigh ... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Andrews Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:14 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for goober of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he included it in the email. I hope you can follow this. Soo now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his new AOL account. He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation reply from our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
Butch, I feel your pain on this - the big thing is to not allow your customers to forward mail to AOL regardless if you filter for them. Something always happens which causes AOL to issue a block... Darrell --- fpReview - full featured spam reviewing application compatible with Imail or Smartermail. Butch Andrews writes: I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for goober of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he included it in the email. I hope you can follow this. Soo now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his new AOL account. He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation reply from our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
Butch, I unfortunately believe that some one else shares the title with your customer. There has been enough information around for a couple years now that allowing forwarding of email to AOL can not be allowed do to such draconian tactics that AOL takes in their attempt to be the supreme Internet god they profess to be. John T eServices For You Seek, and ye shall find! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Andrews Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:14 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for goober of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he includedit in the email. I hope you can follow this. Soo now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his newAOL account.He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation replyfrom our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
While we also have folks forwarding to AOL accounts, having the AOL feedback loop set up does seem to keep us off of their blacklist. We get notified when a user gets stupid and we can remind them that reporting as spam is not blacklisting what they think. Few customers have had a problem with it once we call them and tell them to stop reporting as spam as it could cause their email to stop working as they expect. They can live without their web site, but just let them lose their email... JohnD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:24 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year Butch, I unfortunately believe that some one else shares the title with your customer. There has been enough information around for a couple years now that allowing forwarding of email to AOL can not be allowed do to such draconian tactics that AOL takes in their attempt to be the supreme Internet god they profess to be. John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch AndrewsSent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:14 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for "goober" of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he includedit in the email. I hope you can follow this. "Soo" now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his newAOL account.He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation replyfrom our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand.---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
That is classic! Butch Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must write the list to see if my customer meets the criteria for goober of the year. We use Imail and Declude Junkmail. My customer requested over a year ago to be removed from Spam filtering and I did this. Recently he called and requested that we set up Imail to forward his email to a new email account he opened with AOL. Our customer support software makes these changes on our server so the fact that his mail folder was receiving unfiltered mail went undetected. In addition this winner went into his webmail interface and put a vacation notice that was sent to all incoming email that he had a new address at AOL and he included it in the email. I hope you can follow this. Soo now his account with us is receiving hundreds of spam that are forwarded to his new AOL account. He sends the spammer his new address with the vacation reply from our server. That email bounces back to my server which forwards it back to AOL. They bounce it back to him which forwards back to them via the mail forwarding he set up. Those spammers that are monitoring bounce back messages have his new address. My mail server becomes blocked by AOL. Isn't it great to be a small facilities based ISP trying to survive in today's Internet with customers like this? I closed his account. Thanks for the time I had to tell someone who might understand. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
Marc, Great point. Very concise :) Darrell Marc Catuogno writes: --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, Imail, mxGuard, and ORF. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year
? Hmm - I guess my outlook nuked the message, can't even find it in the sent messages... weird. Basically I was thinking that someone smarter than myself should be able to figure out a way to tag the subject of any e-mail auto-forwarded so the 'goobers' know not to report it. I further wondered if the reason I have been blocked from AOL, Yahoo and Hotmail because of the spam leakage being auto forwarded hitting some type of Bayesian filters on those providers. We have agents who are 'grandfathered' into being allowed to forward and won't give it up. Marc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:40 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Goober of the year Marc, Great point. Very concise :) Darrell Marc Catuogno writes: --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, Imail, mxGuard, and ORF. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
