RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread Evans Martin
This issue has been discussed for many months now with no resolution.  We
finally gave up and are having great luck with ASSP.  It's a shame that
something so good had to turn into what is now Declude.

Evans Martin
Martek.Net
Former Declude customer


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
> Beckstrom
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:17 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> 
> I see about 10 - 20 per day where Declude is broken and where it doesn't
> scan the email and puts the Declude headers at the bottom.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kevin
> > Bilbee
> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:10 PM
> > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> >
> > I have been seeing about 2-3 emails per month with out declude headers
> > anywhere in the emil message. They have all been spam. No delcude
> headers
> in
> > the header or body.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Bilbee
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of David Dodell
> > > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:33 PM
> > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:58 PM, John T ((Lists)) wrote:
> > >
> > > > But you need to check the message body. There has been discussion
> > > > about a
> > > > string of spam that has bad headers where the Declude Headers end
> > > > up at the
> > > > bottom of the body
> > >
> > >
> > > John, I have done so ... the only other part of the message is a JPG
> > > attachment which has the actual "viewable" spam advertisement
> > > ... did
> > > not note any more header lines enclosed in the body of the message.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > >> Of David
> > > >> Dodell
> > > >> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> > > >> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > > >> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> > > >>
> > > >>> By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> message.  Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations
> > > >>> where the
> > > >>> QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and
> > > below and
> > > >>> deliver
> > > >>> it before Declude processed it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Darrell
> > > >>
> > > >> (1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message
> > > >> header or header text
> > > >>
> > > >> (2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases
> > > >>
> > > >> Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all
> > > >> working ok
> > > >>
> > > >>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread Michael Thomas - Mathbox
Hi,

I reported this issue to Declude as follows: 

Declude v3.10 [30A-0C30A9AC-1BB6] 6/26/2006
Declude V3.11 [040-0C6669E9-2D9E] 8/7/2006

XINHEADERS not appearing in every email message for which scanning is
enabled.

Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-683-6718
1-877-MATHBOX (Toll Free)
  

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of David Dodell
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:11 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> 
> I see this occasionally ... a spam message will come in, but  
> according to the headers, it isn't even touch or scanned by Declude  
> since none of my normal declude headers are there; the address  
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is NOT whitelisted, and even so, would show the  
> declude headers still.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Subject:Best love [EMAIL PROTECTED] at best store!
>   Date:   September 3, 2006 5:20:39 AM MST
>   To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Received:   from friend [70.109.234.122] by 
> stat.com with ESMTP  
> (SMTPD-9.03) id AA770B24; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 10:01:43 -0700
>   Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Mime-Version:   1.0
>   Content-Type:   multipart/related; 
> type="multipart/alternative";  
> boundary="ms030208050508080001090405"
>   X-Priority: 3
>   X-Msmail-Priority:  Normal
>   X-Mailer:   Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
>   X-Mimeole:  Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180
> 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread Dave Beckstrom
I see about 10 - 20 per day where Declude is broken and where it doesn't
scan the email and puts the Declude headers at the bottom.



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Bilbee
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:10 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> 
> I have been seeing about 2-3 emails per month with out declude headers
> anywhere in the emil message. They have all been spam. No delcude headers
in
> the header or body.
> 
> 
> Kevin Bilbee
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of David Dodell
> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:33 PM
> > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> >
> >
> > On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:58 PM, John T ((Lists)) wrote:
> >
> > > But you need to check the message body. There has been discussion
> > > about a
> > > string of spam that has bad headers where the Declude Headers end
> > > up at the
> > > bottom of the body
> >
> >
> > John, I have done so ... the only other part of the message is a JPG
> > attachment which has the actual "viewable" spam advertisement
> > ... did
> > not note any more header lines enclosed in the body of the message.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > >> Of David
> > >> Dodell
> > >> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> > >> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > >> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> > >>
> > >>> By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of
> > >>> the
> > >>> message.  Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations
> > >>> where the
> > >>> QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and
> > below and
> > >>> deliver
> > >>> it before Declude processed it.
> > >>
> > >> Darrell
> > >>
> > >> (1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message
> > >> header or header text
> > >>
> > >> (2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases
> > >>
> > >> Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all
> > >> working ok
> > >>
> > >>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I have been seeing about 2-3 emails per month with out declude headers
anywhere in the emil message. They have all been spam. No delcude headers in
the header or body.


Kevin Bilbee

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of David Dodell
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:33 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> 
> 
> On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:58 PM, John T ((Lists)) wrote:
> 
> > But you need to check the message body. There has been discussion
> > about a
> > string of spam that has bad headers where the Declude Headers end  
> > up at the
> > bottom of the body
> 
> 
> John, I have done so ... the only other part of the message is a JPG  
> attachment which has the actual "viewable" spam advertisement 
> ... did  
> not note any more header lines enclosed in the body of the message.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> >> Of David
> >> Dodell
> >> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> >> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> >> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> >>
> >>> By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of
> >>> the
> >>> message.  Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations  
> >>> where the
> >>> QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and 
> below and
> >>> deliver
> >>> it before Declude processed it.
> >>
> >> Darrell
> >>
> >> (1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message 
> >> header or header text
> >>
> >> (2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases
> >>
> >> Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all 
> >> working ok
> >>
> >>
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[Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread David Dodell

On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:58 PM, John T ((Lists)) wrote:

But you need to check the message body. There has been discussion  
about a
string of spam that has bad headers where the Declude Headers end  
up at the

bottom of the body



John, I have done so ... the only other part of the message is a JPG  
attachment which has the actual "viewable" spam advertisement ... did  
not note any more header lines enclosed in the body of the message.


David






-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf  
Of David

Dodell
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of  
the
message.  Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations  
where the

QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and below and
deliver
it before Declude processed it.


Darrell

(1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message
header or header text

(2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases

Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all
working ok


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread John T \(Lists\)
But you need to check the message body. There has been discussion about a
string of spam that has bad headers where the Declude Headers end up at the
bottom of the body.

John T
eServices For You

"Seek, and ye shall find!"


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
> Dodell
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
> 
> > By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of the
> > message.  Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations where the
> > QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and below and
> > deliver
> > it before Declude processed it.
> 
> Darrell
> 
> (1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message
> header or header text
> 
> (2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases
> 
> Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all
> working ok
> 
> 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?

2006-09-04 Thread David Dodell

By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of the
message.  Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations where the
QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and below and  
deliver

it before Declude processed it.


Darrell

(1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message  
header or header text


(2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases

Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all  
working ok



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea

2006-09-04 Thread John T \(Lists\)
Scott, I specifically specified 3 characters not 4 to allow for the 2
character TLDs.

I would be very interested to see the results based on 3 characters, not 4.

Ratio of 1 to 13 is not bad if we are talking about a resulting penalty of
20-25% of hold weight.

Also, if the test could be configured to not only allow for specified tests
failed end but also other parameters say HELO contains
problematicdomaincausingtoomanyfalsepositives would that help?

John T
eServices For You

"Seek, and ye shall find!"

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Fisher
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 8:15 AM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea
> 
> I ran a query on this looking at my August email results (228889 emails):
> 
> Excluding HELOBOGUS
> Excluding (timeout) and [No Reverse DNS] and (Private IP)
> Looking at last 4 chars of helo <> last 4 chars of revdns
> 
> 1487 ham:
> including gov / us mismatches
> a fair amount of .com / .org with DSL / CABLE static revdns
> small amount of valid mismatches shaw.ca / shawcable.net
> mindspring.com/earthlink.net. I've definitely seen this from some non US
> mailservers where a country code is in one and .net is in another.
> 
> 19668 spam
> lots of zommbies,especially non-US
> Fair amount of static spammers .net / .info mismatches for example
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:29 AM
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea
> 
> 
> > Idea! (Ouch)
> >
> > If email failed HELOBOGUS or NOREVDNS (or other specified tests) END
> > otherwise compare the last 3 characters of the HELO with the last 3
> > characters of the REVDNS and if not match add say 1/5 or so of HOLD
> > weight.
> >
> > Thoughts, comments, boos, yahs, Go back to sleep (Can I Please?)
> >
> > John T
> > eServices For You
> >
> > "Seek, and ye shall find!"
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea

2006-09-04 Thread Markus Gufler
Scott,

I can't remmeber exactly my suggestion (as said it was around two years ago)
but I've made a similar research as you in the logfiles in order to go sure
that the HH-SS / SH-SH ratio would be good enough to consider it a valuable
option for some points in the weighting system. 

There are more values that can be compared:
HELO
REVDNS
MAILFROM
COUNTRY
...

There are many zombies out who send messages with randomly
selected/generated values.

If there is a message with 
HELO xy.domain.de
REVDNS xy.domain.net
MAILFROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and COUNTRY shows Mexiko as origin 

then it maybe should be possible to add something like 20 - 40% of your hold
weight to the final weight of this message.

Markus


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Fisher
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:15 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea
> 
> I ran a query on this looking at my August email results 
> (228889 emails):
> 
> Excluding HELOBOGUS
> Excluding (timeout) and [No Reverse DNS] and (Private IP) 
> Looking at last 4 chars of helo <> last 4 chars of revdns
> 
> 1487 ham:
> including gov / us mismatches
> a fair amount of .com / .org with DSL / CABLE static revdns 
> small amount of valid mismatches shaw.ca / shawcable.net 
> mindspring.com/earthlink.net. I've definitely seen this from 
> some non US mailservers where a country code is in one and 
> .net is in another.
> 
> 19668 spam
> lots of zommbies,especially non-US
> Fair amount of static spammers .net / .info mismatches for example
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:29 AM
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea
> 
> 
> > Idea! (Ouch)
> >
> > If email failed HELOBOGUS or NOREVDNS (or other specified tests) END
> > otherwise compare the last 3 characters of the HELO with the last 3
> > characters of the REVDNS and if not match add say 1/5 or so of HOLD 
> > weight.
> >
> > Thoughts, comments, boos, yahs, Go back to sleep (Can I Please?)
> >
> > John T
> > eServices For You
> >
> > "Seek, and ye shall find!"
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea

2006-09-04 Thread Scott Fisher

I ran a query on this looking at my August email results (228889 emails):

Excluding HELOBOGUS
Excluding (timeout) and [No Reverse DNS] and (Private IP)
Looking at last 4 chars of helo <> last 4 chars of revdns

1487 ham:
including gov / us mismatches
a fair amount of .com / .org with DSL / CABLE static revdns
small amount of valid mismatches shaw.ca / shawcable.net 
mindspring.com/earthlink.net. I've definitely seen this from some non US 
mailservers where a country code is in one and .net is in another.


19668 spam
lots of zommbies,especially non-US
Fair amount of static spammers .net / .info mismatches for example

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From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea



Idea! (Ouch)

If email failed HELOBOGUS or NOREVDNS (or other specified tests) END
otherwise compare the last 3 characters of the HELO with the last 3
characters of the REVDNS and if not match add say 1/5 or so of HOLD 
weight.


Thoughts, comments, boos, yahs, Go back to sleep (Can I Please?)

John T
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea

2006-09-04 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Wouldnt this block Imail servers?  Assume the Imail server had revdns.

1.) If email failed HELOBOGUS or NOREVDNS END
Imail server would pass this since it has REVDNS

2.) compare the last 3 characters of the HELO with the last 3 characters of 
the REVDNS

Since the HELO changes with the outbound domain chances are the revdns is 
not for the domain but for the server in general (speaking of hosting 
environments).  I only bring this up because of all the issues folks have 
with CBL etc.

Darrell

Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And 
Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG 
Integration, and Log Parsers.

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From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 2:41 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test idea


> If email failed HELOBOGUS or NOREVDNS (or other specified
> tests) END otherwise compare the last 3 characters of the
> HELO with the last 3 characters of the REVDNS and if not
> match add say 1/5 or so of HOLD weight.

Hmm John, I consider it a good idea. As I can remember I suggested it
arround 2 years ago. You know what happened in the meantime?
Ok, so yes you can go back to sleep like a bear for the comming next winter
and be currious if in the meantime will happened something new ;-)

Markus



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