Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Double RDNS

2003-06-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

Although the Postfix test is a bit more stringent (rejecting if no PTR
exists - equivalent to the Declude JunkMail REVDNS test), I think testing
for matching forward and reverse records in a weighting system would be a
very good test.  I would suggest that it probably be best to just match the
domain part: xyx.com, rather then looking to match the full hostname:
mx1.xyz.com (which will cause fewer false-positives).  And since the
necessary info for this test is already gathered by Declude JM, it should
not be a difficult test to implement.
Scott, what are your thoughts on implementing a JM test like this?
The problem here is with false positives -- while about 90% of legitimate 
mailservers now have reverse DNS entries (up from about 80% a year or two 
ago), lots of them don't have A records that point back to the mailserver 
(mostly due to poor DNS, but many people have been told "All you need is a 
reverse DNS entry, it doesn't matter what it is...").

It's something that we are still considering, though.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Double RDNS

2003-06-26 Thread Bill Landry
I don't know of a way to do this with Declude currently, however, this is a
test that I do run on my Postfix gateways.  Here is a description of the
Postfix test:

reject_unknown_client
Reject the request when the client IP address has no PTR (address to name)
record in the DNS, or when the PTR record does not have a matching A (name
to address) record

Although the Postfix test is a bit more stringent (rejecting if no PTR
exists - equivalent to the Declude JunkMail REVDNS test), I think testing
for matching forward and reverse records in a weighting system would be a
very good test.  I would suggest that it probably be best to just match the
domain part: xyx.com, rather then looking to match the full hostname:
mx1.xyz.com (which will cause fewer false-positives).  And since the
necessary info for this test is already gathered by Declude JM, it should
not be a difficult test to implement.

Scott, what are your thoughts on implementing a JM test like this?

Bill
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From: "Mike Kruidhof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Double RDNS


We just purchased and implemented Declude Junkmail here.
I am attempting to understand what should be changed to catch more messages.
We are using the default values.  Many messages are getting through with low
values.
One thing came to me tonight, I turned on the XINHEADER option to show the
RDNS value.

Is there a test that can do a DNS lookup with the hostname that is returned
from the RDNS?
The IP address returned should match the IP address originally used for the
RDNS.
I would like to see how often this is not the case on the messages that are
getting through.

Thanks,

Mike K


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[Declude.JunkMail] Double RDNS

2003-06-26 Thread Mike Kruidhof
We just purchased and implemented Declude Junkmail here.
I am attempting to understand what should be changed to catch more messages.
We are using the default values.  Many messages are getting through with low values.
One thing came to me tonight, I turned on the XINHEADER option to show the RDNS value.

Is there a test that can do a DNS lookup with the hostname that is returned from the 
RDNS?
The IP address returned should match the IP address originally used for the RDNS.
I would like to see how often this is not the case on the messages that are getting 
through.

Thanks,

Mike K


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