Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-29 Thread Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA]
Well I think I found the source of my problem, or I should say sources.
After upgrading the RAM to 4 Gb the server would reboot after about 5
seconds of starting to load windows.  It looks like I had some drive issues
on the OS drive of the server.  With the OS repaired and moving the swap
file to a different disk the SM is working as before.  Thanks everyone for
there help.

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From: "Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA]" 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:44 AM
To: 
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

> I am starting to have some serious performance issues since I upgraded to
> SM
> 8.2.  Although I can not be for sure that is it due to the upgrade as
> usage
> has also increased with added clients and the start of school.  The big
> issue is that the web interface becomes unresponsive for up to about 5
> minutes.  The machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig.  In
> Windows task manager I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.
>
> Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by RAM,
> too much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.




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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-27 Thread Matt
I'm not sure why everyone just wants to throw RAM at the thing.  Using
10 GB of memory with an unspecified number of active webmail users could
be reasonable in some cases, and totally unreasonable in others.
Certainly SmarterMail may have some leaking issues in IIS/.Net that
memory won't do much to fix.

I would suggest at least offering how many logged in users you have at
peak times, and how many accounts there are.  I would also use something
like Process Explorer to verify what process is hogging all of the
memory.  I would guess it is IIS and that there is some sort of .Net
issue that exposes itself mostly under heavier load.

I do have a client that has about 2,000 mostly webmail users who are
pretty active with hundreds of GB's of mail in the accounts, and I have
heard of no such issues with SM 8.x.  They are Windows 2003 with 4 GB of
memory and I think 4 cores, but they have a pretty fast RAID array.

Regarding VMware, never short the server on disk I/O.  You will see all
sorts of CPU issues once the server gets backed up on disk and it falls
apart pretty quickly after that.  In Process Explorer running on the
guest, if you see regular spikes in Hardware Interrupts CPU utilization,
that says you don't have enough disk I/O.  Regularly seeing more than
10% for that would indicate an issue that needs attention.

Matt



On 9/26/2011 3:14 PM, Nick Hayer wrote:
> I have it on a VM - vmware 4.1 - no issues at all.  Why not just PTV
> it now - give it more ram and processors in the migration and see what
> happens?
>
> -Nick
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> *From*: "Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA]" 
> *Sent*: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:08 PM
> *To*: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> *Subject*: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude
>
>
> Running Win 2003 Standard on 32 bit hardware. I am going to bump the
> RAM up
> to 4 Gb tonight to see if that helps. I should say what I am seeing is
> that
> the SM Web interface becomes unresponsive at times. I have been unable to
> correlate the unresponsive interface with specific high CPU or Memory use
> though.
>
> I have been planning on installing a new Win 2K8 64 bit OS to migrate
> SM to..
> Is there any issues or suggestions on setting this up as a Virtual
> machine
> in a VMware environment?
>
> ----------
> From: "Randy A" 
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude
>
> > Which version of Windows server are you running? That will be important
> > also as, for example, WIN Server 2003 Standard only allows a max of 4GB
> > RAM, while WIN Server 2003 Enterprise has a 64GB limit
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] [mailto:sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us]
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude
> >
> > I am starting to have some serious performance issues since I
> upgraded to
> > SM 8.2. Although I can not be for sure that is it due to the upgrade as
> > usage has also increased with added clients and the start of school. The
> > big issue is that the web interface becomes unresponsive for up to
> about 5
> > minutes. The machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig. In
> > Windows task manager I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.
> >
> > Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by
> RAM,
> > too much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-26 Thread Nick Hayer
I have it on a VM - vmware 4.1 - no issues at all.  Why not just PTV it now
- give it more ram and processors in the migration and see what happens?

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 From: "Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA]" 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:08 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

Running Win 2003 Standard on 32 bit hardware.  I am going to bump the RAM
up
to 4 Gb tonight to see if that helps.  I should say what I am seeing is
that
the SM Web interface becomes unresponsive at times.  I have been unable to

correlate the unresponsive interface with specific high CPU or Memory use
though.

I have been planning on installing a new Win 2K8 64 bit OS to migrate SM
to.
Is there any issues or suggestions on setting this up as a Virtual machine

in a VMware environment?

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From: "Randy A" 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:47 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

> Which version of Windows server are you running?  That will be important

> also as, for example, WIN Server 2003 Standard only allows a max of 4GB
> RAM, while WIN Server 2003 Enterprise has a 64GB limit
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] [mailto:sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us]
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude
>
> I am starting to have some serious performance issues since I upgraded to

> SM 8.2.  Although I can not be for sure that is it due to the upgrade as

> usage has also increased with added clients and the start of school.  The

> big issue is that the web interface becomes unresponsive for up to about
5
> minutes.  The machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig.  In
> Windows task manager I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.
>
> Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by
RAM,
> too much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-26 Thread Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA]
Running Win 2003 Standard on 32 bit hardware.  I am going to bump the RAM up
to 4 Gb tonight to see if that helps.  I should say what I am seeing is that
the SM Web interface becomes unresponsive at times.  I have been unable to
correlate the unresponsive interface with specific high CPU or Memory use
though.

I have been planning on installing a new Win 2K8 64 bit OS to migrate SM to.
Is there any issues or suggestions on setting this up as a Virtual machine
in a VMware environment?

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From: "Randy A" 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:47 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

> Which version of Windows server are you running?  That will be important
> also as, for example, WIN Server 2003 Standard only allows a max of 4GB
> RAM, while WIN Server 2003 Enterprise has a 64GB limit
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] [mailto:sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us]
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude
>
> I am starting to have some serious performance issues since I upgraded to
> SM 8.2.  Although I can not be for sure that is it due to the upgrade as
> usage has also increased with added clients and the start of school.  The
> big issue is that the web interface becomes unresponsive for up to about 5
> minutes.  The machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig.  In
> Windows task manager I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.
>
> Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by RAM,
> too much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-26 Thread Randy A
Which version of Windows server are you running?  That will be important also 
as, for example, WIN Server 2003 Standard only allows a max of 4GB RAM, while 
WIN Server 2003 Enterprise has a 64GB limit



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-Original Message-
From: Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] [mailto:sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:44 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

I am starting to have some serious performance issues since I upgraded to SM 
8.2.  Although I can not be for sure that is it due to the upgrade as usage has 
also increased with added clients and the start of school.  The big issue is 
that the web interface becomes unresponsive for up to about 5 minutes.  The 
machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig.  In Windows task manager 
I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.

Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by RAM, too 
much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.
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re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-26 Thread Michael Graveen
If you are running 32bit Windows definitely take your memory up to 4GB.  If you 
are running 64bit Windows take it higher (until you stop most of your swapping).

Mike

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I am starting to have some serious performance issues since I upgraded to SM
8.2. Although I can not be for sure that is it due to the upgrade as usage
has also increased with added clients and the start of school. The big
issue is that the web interface becomes unresponsive for up to about 5
minutes. The machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig. In
Windows task manager I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.

Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by RAM,
too much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance issues with SM 8.2 w Declude

2011-09-26 Thread Pete McNeil
On 9/26/2011 11:44 AM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] wrote:
> The machine has 2 Gig of RAM, and a swap file of 5.5 Gig.  In
> Windows task manager I see my peak memory usage is now 10 gig.
>
> Right now I am not sure if the performance issues are being caused by RAM,
> too much traffic, Smartermail, or Declude.

On the surface I would suggest that RAM is your big problem. If you have
2G and you're using 5-10G then you are spending a lot of time swapping
through IO. RAM is pretty cheap these days, so I would probably boost
that first (not knowing more about it).

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance fromfile

2003-12-11 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
> In the current version, it will go through all entries.  However, as you
> pointed out, there is no benefit in continuing processing with a fromfile
> after the first match is reached -- so the logic will be changed for the
> next release (and therefore giving the fromfile a slight performance
> advantage over filters -- but it would only be noticeable if there were a
> lot, perhaps 1000s, of entries).

Thanks. When processing 175K messages per day, every little bit helps.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance fromfile

2003-12-11 Thread R. Scott Perry

A while back, I had asked about the comparison in performance of a fromfile
and a filter using MAILFROM ENDSWITH.
Scott, you stated that would not be much difference.

But wouldn't Declude stop processing a fromfile as soon as a match is found,
where in a filter to goes through the whole file?
That will happen.  :)

In the current version, it will go through all entries.  However, as you 
pointed out, there is no benefit in continuing processing with a fromfile 
after the first match is reached -- so the logic will be changed for the 
next release (and therefore giving the fromfile a slight performance 
advantage over filters -- but it would only be noticeable if there were a 
lot, perhaps 1000s, of entries).

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance question concerning custom filters

2003-11-09 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there any measurable performance impact to removing all extraneous 
lines from a custom filter file (comments, etc.)?  In other words, are 
these files read into memory every time Declude is run, meaning that you 
have to move more data around for each message that is scanned?  Or maybe 
due to some other related impact that would benefit from trimming down all 
of the extraneous data?
There would be a very slight performance improvement by removing extraneous 
line from filter files.  However, it is unlikely that the improvement would 
be noticeable.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance

2003-10-02 Thread Robert Grosshandler
Great points.

I'm using your (I think it was your) Gibberish / Anti Gibberish tests
already.

It was the flexibility of the filter ability that caused me to plunk down
more money to the wonderful folks at Computer Horizons.

Rob


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance

2003-10-02 Thread Matthew Bramble
I recommended searching the headers for your backup server because I 
believe that the REVDNS test is moved to a different hop when you get a 
hit on IPBYPASS, otherwise that would be the way to go.  The ANYWHERE 
search only works with whitelisting from the Global.cfg file.  In filter 
files you can use BODY, HEADERS, HELO, MAILFROM, REMOTEIP, REVDNS, 
ALLRECIPS, or SUBJECT.  I have filters set up exclusively for BODY and 
SUBEJCT, and other filters that focus on HELO, MAILFROM and REVDNS.  I 
have a pseudo whitelist that I am using as well, with the filters based 
on REVDNS.

If you are looking to help insure that E-mail from a particular domain 
gets through, it's better to just subtract points in a filter file 
rather than whitelisting because of the potential of forging addresses 
in spam and still desiring some protection (obscure domains are pretty 
safe though for whitelisting though).  I tend to give a negative weight 
for such things that is equal to my fail weight when those domains 
occasionally find their way onto SpamCop and MailPolice, or just credit 
back points for what they regularly fail.  I also use the REVDNS test 
whenever possible since this is the least likely to be forged and there 
is only a small piece of data which limits multiple hits (as opposed to 
searching HEADERS).  For example, with Yahoo Groups, one would use the 
following when 5 points are being added regularly due to RBL's and 
inadvertently by other filters:

REVDNS  -5  ENDSWITH  .grp.scd.yahoo.com

This is a good example because Yahoo Groups does fail some tests that I 
use, but as was pointed out yesterday, spam can be pushed through these 
groups occasionally and if you are keyword matching for URL's for 
instance, subtracting points would only level the playing field before 
additional tests can score it.

Matt

Robert Grosshandler wrote:

Having just upgraded from JM Standard to Pro, I'm wondering about the best
way to approach some of the tests I previously set up.
Is there any difference between the following from a performance or
maintenance standpoint?:
Version A

Whitelist anywhere blahblah

Or

Version B

BODY -50 CONTAINS blahblah

Thanks

Rob

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance

2003-10-02 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
"whitelist anywhere" won't work, this is not valid syntax.

If you use this directive in your .cfg file:

PREWHITELIST ON

then you get "short-circuit evaluation", and a WHITELISTed message will get
processed a little faster than it otherwise would.

Without that directive, all tests are performed on the message, because any
of them could weight the message enough to change the action performed.

In my humble opinion, you should avoid whitelisting; I suggest using
counterweights instead as you illustrated in your question.  Save
whitelisting for things that are unquestionable, like whitelisting the IP of
an internal mail server.

Andrew 8)

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From: Robert Grosshandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance


Having just upgraded from JM Standard to Pro, I'm wondering about the best
way to approach some of the tests I previously set up.

Is there any difference between the following from a performance or
maintenance standpoint?:

Version A

Whitelist anywhere blahblah

Or

Version B

BODY -50 CONTAINS blahblah

Thanks

Rob


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www.iGive.com

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance

2003-10-02 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
(Whups!  My bad, "whitelist anywhere" is right there in black and white in
the current online manual.)

If you use this directive in your .cfg file:

PREWHITELIST ON

then you get "short-circuit evaluation", and a WHITELISTed message will get
processed a little faster than it otherwise would.

Without that directive, all tests are performed on the message, because any
of them could weight the message enough to change the action performed.

In my humble opinion, you should avoid whitelisting; I suggest using
counterweights instead as you illustrated in your question.  Save
whitelisting for things that are unquestionable, like whitelisting the IP of
an internal mail server.

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: Robert Grosshandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance


Having just upgraded from JM Standard to Pro, I'm wondering about the best
way to approach some of the tests I previously set up.

Is there any difference between the following from a performance or
maintenance standpoint?:

Version A

Whitelist anywhere blahblah

Or

Version B

BODY -50 CONTAINS blahblah

Thanks

Rob


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www.iGive.com

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Performance

2003-10-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there any difference between the following from a performance or
maintenance standpoint?:
Version A

Whitelist anywhere blahblah

Or

Version B

BODY -50 CONTAINS blahblah
Performance-wise, they should both be about the same.  However, the 
global.cfg file only allows 200 WHITELIST entries, which would make the 
filter a better choice.  Also, the filter allows for more flexibility.

   -Scott
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