Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-06 Thread Helpdesk
on 2/4/03 1:23 PM, R. Scott Perry wrote:

 Would it be possible to change the format to this?
 
 COMMENTS  comments  5 x 10 0
 COMMENTS  comments  5 weight 10 0
 
 Where the number is the minimum needed to fail the test.
 The second value indicates whether or not the admin wants a cumulative
 weight.
 The third and forth values indicate base weights as normal.
 
 I'll check to see if we may be able to do that.

Is this request available in the latest interim release or are you still
checking into it? 

Thanks,
Greg

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-06 Thread R. Scott Perry


 Would it be possible to change the format to this?

 COMMENTS  comments  5 x 10 0
 COMMENTS  comments  5 weight 10 0

 Where the number is the minimum needed to fail the test.
 The second value indicates whether or not the admin wants a cumulative
 weight.
 The third and forth values indicate base weights as normal.

 I'll check to see if we may be able to do that.

Is this request available in the latest interim release or are you still
checking into it?


There still isn't a final answer on this one.
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread Bill B.
 COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0
 where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered

This means 5 OR MORE comments have to be encountered right?  Not exactly 5?

Bill


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Sent: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 19:05:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released



Does the comments test require non-whitespace beforeafter the comments in
order to trigger?
So that most legit messages will not trigger it?

Yes.

So the most common types of comments, such as:

 !-- This is a comment at the beginning of a line --

or:

 alert( Hello, World );   !-- This says hello to the world --

will not count.

The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:

 COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0

where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered (the 10 is 
the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails the 
test).  Alternatively, you can use:

 COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

In this case, the weight of the E-mail will be increased by the number of 
anti-filtering comments that are found (plus the base weight of the 
test).  So if there are 3 in there, the weight will be increased by 13 (10 
for failing the test, and 1 for each anti-filtering comment found).  If 
there are 40 such comments, a total of 50 would be added to the weight of 
the E-mail.
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread Helpdesk
on 2/3/03 7:05 PM, R. Scott Perry wrote:

 The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:
 
COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0
 
 where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered (the 10 is
 the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails the
 test).  Alternatively, you can use:
 
COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

OK, I must not be thinking correctly.

I understand the first example but I'm confused on the second example. If I
wanted to add 5 for every comment line found in a message, and the weight of
the test is 10, wouldn't I put the number 5 where the word weight is,
thereby making the two comment lines identical?

Thanks,

Greg

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread R. Scott Perry


 The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:

COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0

 where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered (the 10 is
 the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails the
 test).  Alternatively, you can use:

COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

OK, I must not be thinking correctly.

I understand the first example but I'm confused on the second example. If I
wanted to add 5 for every comment line found in a message, and the weight of
the test is 10, wouldn't I put the number 5 where the word weight is,
thereby making the two comment lines identical?


The formula for the weight that is added to the E-mail is:  b + n, where 
b is the base weight of the test (10 in both examples above), and b is 
either 0 (in the first example) or the number of anti-filtering comments 
that are found.

There isn't an option for a multiplier (so that an E-mail with 20 comments 
would get a weight of 100 and an E-mail with 40 comments would get a weight 
of 200).  So you can't add 5 for every comment.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi;
This Comments filter is already working great.  It is catching the trick
quite nicely.  Great job..

Any plan to also add the variation of this trick -- simply:

=2Ecom=2F
http=3A=2F=2F

Or the likes?  These tricks are now causing our URL filters not to be as
effective.

Regards,
Kami

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  The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:
 
 COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0
 
  where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered (the 
  10 is the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails the test).  
  Alternatively, you can use:
 
 COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

OK, I must not be thinking correctly.

I understand the first example but I'm confused on the second example. 
If I wanted to add 5 for every comment line found in a message, and the 
weight of the test is 10, wouldn't I put the number 5 where the word 
weight is, thereby making the two comment lines identical?

The formula for the weight that is added to the E-mail is:  b + n, where 
b is the base weight of the test (10 in both examples above), and b is 
either 0 (in the first example) or the number of anti-filtering comments 
that are found.

There isn't an option for a multiplier (so that an E-mail with 20 comments 
would get a weight of 100 and an E-mail with 40 comments would get a weight 
of 200).  So you can't add 5 for every comment.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread Madscientist
That's quoted printable stuff.
_M

| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
| Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:14 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released
| 
| 
| Hi;
| This Comments filter is already working great.  It is 
| catching the trick
| quite nicely.  Great job..
| 
| Any plan to also add the variation of this trick -- simply:
| 
| =2Ecom=2F
| http=3A=2F=2F
| 
| Or the likes?  These tricks are now causing our URL filters 
| not to be as
| effective.
| 
| Regards,
| Kami
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. 
| Scott Perry
| Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released
| 
| 
| 
|   The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:
|  
|  COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0
|  
|   where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be 
| encountered (the 
|   10 is the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails 
| the test).  
|   Alternatively, you can use:
|  
|  COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0
| 
| OK, I must not be thinking correctly.
| 
| I understand the first example but I'm confused on the 
| second example. 
| If I wanted to add 5 for every comment line found in a 
| message, and the 
| weight of the test is 10, wouldn't I put the number 5 where the word 
| weight is, thereby making the two comment lines identical?
| 
| The formula for the weight that is added to the E-mail is:  b 
| + n, where 
| b is the base weight of the test (10 in both examples 
| above), and b is 
| either 0 (in the first example) or the number of 
| anti-filtering comments 
| that are found.
| 
| There isn't an option for a multiplier (so that an E-mail 
| with 20 comments 
| would get a weight of 100 and an E-mail with 40 comments 
| would get a weight 
| of 200).  So you can't add 5 for every comment.
|  -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread Jerod M. Bennett
Scott,

Would it be possible to change the format to this?

COMMENTS  comments  5 x 10 0
COMMENTS  comments  5 weight 10 0

Where the number is the minimum needed to fail the test.
The second value indicates whether or not the admin wants a cumulative
weight.
The third and forth values indicate base weights as normal.

Jerod M. Bennett
Director of Media Production
Pixelpushers, Inc.

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  The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:
 
 COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0
 
  where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered (the 
  10 is the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails the test).  
  Alternatively, you can use:
 
 COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

OK, I must not be thinking correctly.

I understand the first example but I'm confused on the second example. 
If I wanted to add 5 for every comment line found in a message, and the 
weight of the test is 10, wouldn't I put the number 5 where the word 
weight is, thereby making the two comment lines identical?

The formula for the weight that is added to the E-mail is:  b + n, where 
b is the base weight of the test (10 in both examples above), and b is 
either 0 (in the first example) or the number of anti-filtering comments 
that are found.

There isn't an option for a multiplier (so that an E-mail with 20 comments 
would get a weight of 100 and an E-mail with 40 comments would get a weight 
of 200).  So you can't add 5 for every comment.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-04 Thread R. Scott Perry


Would it be possible to change the format to this?

COMMENTS  comments  5 x 10 0
COMMENTS  comments  5 weight 10 0

Where the number is the minimum needed to fail the test.
The second value indicates whether or not the admin wants a cumulative
weight.
The third and forth values indicate base weights as normal.


I'll check to see if we may be able to do that.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-03 Thread Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc
Does the comments test require non-whitespace beforeafter the comments in
order to trigger?
So that most legit messages will not trigger it?



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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released


We have just released Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta).  See 
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/manual.htm .  Notable changes since the 
last beta include:

o Adds an AUTOWHITELIST ON option, to automatically whitelist 
addresses in recipient's address book
o Adds a comments test type, to detect anti-filter HTML comments 
(such as unsub!-- user --cribe)

Other additions and fixes can be found in the release notes, at 
http://www.declude.com/relnotes.htm .

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.67 (beta) released

2003-02-03 Thread R. Scott Perry


Does the comments test require non-whitespace beforeafter the comments in
order to trigger?
So that most legit messages will not trigger it?


Yes.

So the most common types of comments, such as:

!-- This is a comment at the beginning of a line --

or:

alert( Hello, World );   !-- This says hello to the world --

will not count.

The test is defined in the global.cfg file as follows:

COMMENTS  comments  5  x  10  0

where the 5 means that 5 such comments have to be encountered (the 10 is 
the weight that will be added for E-mail that fails the 
test).  Alternatively, you can use:

COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

In this case, the weight of the E-mail will be increased by the number of 
anti-filtering comments that are found (plus the base weight of the 
test).  So if there are 3 in there, the weight will be increased by 13 (10 
for failing the test, and 1 for each anti-filtering comment found).  If 
there are 40 such comments, a total of 50 would be added to the weight of 
the E-mail.
  -Scott

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