[Declude.Virus] (OT) Second Scanner

2004-03-04 Thread Hank Townsend

I am thinking of adding a second virus scanner to Declude to suplement
F-Prot. I am looking at AVG and was wondering which version I'd have to
purchase. They have the AVG Professional Single Edition and the AVG File
Server Edition. My email server is NT Server 4.0.

Also, any tips on running both F-Prot and AVG on the same box? Any install
tips for AVG?

Thanks.

Hank

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Re: CBL:RE: [Declude.Virus] SKIPIFFORGING Question

2004-03-04 Thread Paul Ingram
Hello,

Wednesday, March 3, 2004, 11:54:36 PM, you wrote:

 Do I need to do something on my end to hit this DB??

 Run recent version of declude
 and set AUTOFORGE ON in virus.cfg

Ok that was essy.  Thanks.




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[Declude.Virus] Ban notice

2004-03-04 Thread John Carter
Scott:

Is EICAR considered forged?

Using Tools page I sent myself tests for eicardynamicencodedzip and
eicarencodedzip.  Both were stopped (see logs below) but no notice was
sent.  Should I have gotten a notice if:

- Running i9
- VIRUS.CFG (logging MID) has BANEXT ZIP and BANEXT EZIP 
- BANNOTIFY.EML has SKIPIFFORGED as first line ( no blank lines present
until after TO:, FROM:, and SUBJECT:

Log Entries (I altered declude addresses below)

03/04/2004 08:13:47 Q39990bd80066c421 Scanned: Banned file extension.
[MIME: 2 998]
03/04/2004 08:13:47 Q39990bd80066c421 From: webmaster-vir (at)
declude.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03/04/2004 08:13:47 Q39990bd80066c421 Subject: Test eicar.com file
[eicardynamicencodedzip]

03/04/2004 08:14:17 Q39b50bde006630a5 Scanned: Banned file extension.
[MIME: 2 889]
03/04/2004 08:14:17 Q39b50bde006630a5 From: webmaster-vir {at}
declude.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03/04/2004 08:14:17 Q39b50bde006630a5 Subject: Test eicar.com file
[eicarencodedzip]

Thanks,
John

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RE: [Declude.Virus] (OT) Second Scanner

2004-03-04 Thread Hank Townsend


Bill:

Which version of McAfee are you using? AVG sounds processor intensive if it
takes 3 seconds per email. Maybe I should look at McAfee.

Hank


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RE: [Declude.Virus] Ban notice

2004-03-04 Thread John Carter
No problem. Thanks for the help.

John

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Is EICAR considered forged?

Sorry, my mistake.

While the eicar.com file is not considering a forging virus, the 
eicarencodedzip and eicardynamicencodedzip are blocked by the BANEXT
EZIP 
option, which won't know what the virus name is.  Therefore, it is
assumed 
to be a forging virus.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] (OT) Second Scanner

2004-03-04 Thread bill.maillists
Hank,

Regarding AVG, it doesn't seem to be extremely processor intensive, just slow in 
getting going and doing the scan due to the 16-bit engine, versus the 32-bit of the 
others. This was brought up in a previous thread. 

Perhaps someone else has information on when the 32-bit version will work with Declude.

Bill

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Bill:

Which version of McAfee are you using? AVG sounds processor intensive if it
takes 3 seconds per email. Maybe I should look at McAfee.

Hank


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Re: [Declude.Virus] Bagle detected with McAfee !

2004-03-04 Thread Darin Cox
I think Scott's right.  If he spends the time on this, implements it, and
virus writers immediately adapt as he suggested, then the effort was wasted
as it has not other longer reaching benefit.  I think development time
should be spent on features that will have ongoing value.  Otherwise we will
always be reactive and never proactive...

Darin.


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 Because of the amount of CPU time that may be necessary to do
 this.  And, given the way that viruses have adapted lately,
 by the time we do that, the next virus will say The password
 is 58931 plus 3 or The password is a place that people live
 that rhymes with 'mouse' and begins with the letter 'h'.
 I'll bet that one will spread fast, because people will be so
 impressed that they were smart enough to crack the password
 that they would happily run the .exe file.

Common Scott  ;-)

If other Email AV-Solutions maybe would add this as feature, so also we
Declude-users hope to have it available soon.

Otherwise if we are the only Email AV-Customers having such a feature you
can be proud if there would come out a virus that will try to bypass
Declude. Try to imagine the virus name: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

But before this happens we are proud to have such a feature.

Ok, I dont know how much work it will be to add such a feature, but the idea
sounds really good.

Markus ;-)




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Re: [Declude.Virus] SKIPIFFORGING Question

2004-03-04 Thread John Olden
Serge,

 old way in order to be able to use :
 onlysendifsender [forged]  in recpforged.eml, so we can warn the
recipient
 whithout pointing to an innocent sender.

Can I ask how you have this working? Is there something you put in the
cfg file? I created this file and added the line you indicated to the
top of it but my users are still receiving the regular recip.eml.

TIA,
John Olden - Systems Administrator
Champaign Park District

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[Declude.Virus] Variable in bannotify.eml

2004-03-04 Thread Todd Holt
In our bannotify.eml, we display the banned extension by using the
%BANEXT% variable:
bannotify.eml snippet
You have sent an attachment with the .%BANEXT% extension.
/bannotify.eml snippet 

Today I received a banned attachment message and the extension name was
blank:
message snippet
You have sent an attachment with the . extension.
/message snippet

This is the virus log entry for the message:
03/03/2004 21:26:47 Qbe1603a601ba8b8c Scanned: Banned file extension.
[MIME: 2 12990]
03/03/2004 21:26:47 Qbe1603a601ba8b8c From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
03/03/2004 21:26:47 Qbe1603a601ba8b8c Subject: E-mail account security
warning.

I'm using Declude V1.78i9.

Why is the variable not being set?  How can I tell what is going on with
this message?


Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV USA
702.319.4349
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Variable in bannotify.eml

2004-03-04 Thread R. Scott Perry

Today I received a banned attachment message and the extension name was
blank:
message snippet
You have sent an attachment with the . extension.
/message snippet
Why is the variable not being set?  How can I tell what is going on with
this message?
If you look at the D*.SMD file that was caught, that will provide some 
clues.  You can send that file to our virustrap@ address, and we can check 
to see what happened.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] marking subject line

2004-03-04 Thread R. Scott Perry

Scott - you may shoot me for suggesting this, especially if it has been
suggested before. I am not a programmer so I suggest this not knowing how
difficult it may be, but if both Virus and Junkmail use the declude.exe is
it possible to have things like BANEZIP be defined as a test in the global
file for junkmail and then have actions defined for different users/domains
with different junkmail files?
It does sound easy, but unfortunately is not.  There are a few problems 
(mainly that someone using just Declude Virus won't be running the Declude 
JunkMail code, and vice versa).



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Re: [Declude.Virus] SKIPIFFORGING Question

2004-03-04 Thread Serge
This has been working quite well
make sure you have no extra blank spaces or tabs

in the regular recep.eml we have
SKIPIFSENDER [forged]

in recepforged.eml we have
ONLYSENDIFSENDER [forged]

Of course, the virus shoud be marked as forging in virus.cfg

you can test by marking eicar as forging in virus.cfg
FORGINGVIRUS Eicar

Just retested, it works as expected



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 Serge,

  old way in order to be able to use :
  onlysendifsender [forged]  in recpforged.eml, so we can warn the
 recipient
  whithout pointing to an innocent sender.

 Can I ask how you have this working? Is there something you put in the
 cfg file? I created this file and added the line you indicated to the
 top of it but my users are still receiving the regular recip.eml.

 TIA,
 John Olden - Systems Administrator
 Champaign Park District

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---BeginMessage---
Remise de message annulé: 
De: %MAILFROM%
A:  %LOCALRECIPS%

le serveur de messagerie de CEFIB Internet verifie chaque message pour les virus, 
SPAM, et Vulnerabilités

La protection de %LOCALHOST% a detecté un message qui vous était destiné, reçu 
de %MAILFROM%, et qui contient le virus %VIRUSNAME% dans la pièce jointe %VIRUSFILE%.
Le sujet du message était %SUBJECT%.  
Le message contenant le virus à été envoyé à la quarantaine pour eviter tout dégat.


Delivery blocked:
FROM: %MAILFROM%
To:   %LOCALRECIPS%

The mail server for CEFIB Internet scans each e-mail for Viruses, SPAM (Junk
Mail) and e-mail vulnerabilities.

%LOCALHOST% protection has reported that you were sent an E-mail from %MAILFROM%, 
containing the %VIRUSNAME% virus in the%VIRUSFILE% attachment.
The subject of the E-mail was %SUBJECT%.
The E-mail containing the virus has been quarantined to prevent any damage.

Adresse IP: %REMOTEIP%

Virus: %VIRUSNAME%
Pièce jointe: %VIRUSFILE%

Version Declude: %VERSION%
Fichier IMAIL: %QUEUENAME%

Subject: %SUBJECT%
Host name of the recipient  %RECIPHOST% 

IP address of the remote mail server %REMOTEIP% 

Template: recip.eml---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
Remise de message annulé: 
De: Expediteur masqué par le virus
De: %REMOTEIP%
A:  %LOCALRECIPS%

le serveur de messagerie de CEFIB Internet verifie chaque message pour les virus, 
SPAM, et Vulnerabilités

La Protection anti-virus de %LOCALHOST% a detecté un message qui vous était 
destiné, et qui contient le virus %VIRUSNAME% dans la pièce jointe %VIRUSFILE%.
Le sujet du message était %SUBJECT%.  
Le message contenant le virus à été envoyé à la quarantaine pour eviter tout dégat.


Delivery blocked:
FROM: Sender forged by the virus
FROM: %REMOTEIP%
To:   %LOCALRECIPS%

The mail server for CEFIB Internet scans each e-mail for Viruses, SPAM (Junk
Mail) and e-mail vulnerabilities.

%LOCALHOST% anti-virus protection has reported that you were sent an E-mail 
containing the %VIRUSNAME% virus in the%VIRUSFILE% attachment.  
The subject of the E-mail was %SUBJECT%.  
The E-mail containing the virus has been quarantined to prevent any damage.

Adresse IP: %REMOTEIP%

Virus: %VIRUSNAME%
Pièce jointe: %VIRUSFILE%

Version Declude: %VERSION%
Fichier IMAIL: %QUEUENAME%

Subject: %SUBJECT%
Host name of the recipient  %RECIPHOST% 

IP address of the remote mail server %REMOTEIP% 

Template: recipfor.eml---End Message---
---BeginMessage---

Remise de message annulé: 
De: %MAILFROM%
AA: %LOCALRECIPS%

le serveur de messagerie de CEFIB Internet verifie chaque message pour les virus, 
SPAM, et Vulnerabilités

La protection de %LOCALHOST% a intercepté un message qui contient %VIRUSNAME%, et nous 
l'avons mis en quarantaine. 
%VIRUSNAME% est generer par un client de messagerie qui n'est pas fiable,
et peut contenir des virus, ou c'est probablement du SPAM.

Merci de prendre contact avec l'expediteur de votre message pour circonscrire le 
problème.


Delivery blocked:
FROM: %MAILFROM%
TTo:  %LOCALRECIPS%

The mail server for CEFIB Internet scans each e-mail for Viruses, SPAM (Junk
Mail) and e-mail vulnerabilities.

%LOCALHOST% protection caught an e-mail addressed to you that contains %VIRUSNAME%, and
have quarantined it for your protection, %VIRUSNAME% is generated by a broken 
email client, and can hide viruses, or is most certainly spam.

Please contact your mail sender to resolve the problem.

De: %MAILFROM%
Adresse IP: %REMOTEIP%
Subject: %SUBJECT%


Host name of the recipient  %RECIPHOST% 

Virus: %VIRUSNAME%
Pièce jointe: %VIRUSFILE%

Version Declude: %VERSION%
Fichier IMAIL: %QUEUENAME%

Template: recipvul.eml---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
Delivery 

Re: [Declude.Virus] marking subject line

2004-03-04 Thread Serge
 (mainly that someone using just Declude Virus won't be running the Declude
 JunkMail code, and vice versa).

OK, but if JM users ask for
ContainEZIPatt test, why would you refuse the request :)


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 Scott - you may shoot me for suggesting this, especially if it has been
 suggested before. I am not a programmer so I suggest this not knowing how
 difficult it may be, but if both Virus and Junkmail use the declude.exe
is
 it possible to have things like BANEZIP be defined as a test in the
global
 file for junkmail and then have actions defined for different
users/domains
 with different junkmail files?

 It does sound easy, but unfortunately is not.  There are a few problems
 (mainly that someone using just Declude Virus won't be running the Declude
 JunkMail code, and vice versa).



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[Declude.Virus] Doh! SpamCop Report

2004-03-04 Thread Paul Navarre
I just got a SpamCop report about one of my mail servers. Upon looking at the report, 
it appears
that they are complaining about a Undeliverable Mail message.

It seems that one of my domains is being dictionary attacked. The spammer did a 
joe-job, so some
poor guy is being bombed by my server with Undeliverable Mail messages. It seems the 
guy being
joe-jobbed is the one reporting my mail server.

Anybody have any advice about what (if anything) I should do?

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.Virus] BANEXT EZIP reports virus, not banned extension

2004-03-04 Thread Todd Holt
Why does the BANEXT EZIP report a virus (and send the associated
notifications) instead of reporting a banned extension (and send the
bannotify.eml)??

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Bannotify.eml missing extension.

2004-03-04 Thread R. Scott Perry

I just received a notification message that said:

quote
The mail server for continentaloffice.com does not accept E-mail with
attachments that contain the  extension.
/quote
quote
--pbgivjxdscnisewbjysa
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=Readme.zip
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Readme.zip
/quote
This is definitely helpful.

I have the D-file, and I have the log extract
What does the log file say?  Which version of Declude Virus are you running?

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[Declude.Virus] Use Net Send to alert user of virus?

2004-03-04 Thread Marc Catuogno
Does anyone have a way of using doing this?  I mean if scumware people and
pornographers can use the windows messenger service why can't I?  I know it
wouldn't always work, but most of the IP's I get in my virus notifications
are from Road Runner or Cablevision.  I'll bet more than half of those
people could be reached by this method.  I know that I don't have the time
to contact many of them but even if I could send a message you have the
netsky.d virus on your PC! go to www.sarc.com for removal instructions!
maybe I can cure a few potential zombies.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] 32-bit avgscan.exe does now work.

2004-03-04 Thread bill.maillists
Matt,

Thanks for following up. I tried AVG based on your earlier post about using the 16-bit 
version. There was another post stating that the 32-bit version did in fact work and 
that's why I asked Scott for clarification. It's good to see that the 32-bit version 
is viable. I plan to set it up in the morning.

Bill

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I should have read the previous message closer, so point the finger at 
me for jumping the gun totally.  The 32-bit version of avgscan.exe does 
in fact now work (this definitely wasn't the case earlier).  The 
switches for this should be modified when moving to the 32-bit version.  
I'm not positive that all of this is necessary, but here's what I'm 
using after researching what they did.

SCANFILE2 C:\Progra~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgscan.exe /NOMEM /NOBOOT 
/NOHIMEM /NOEXPORT /NOSELF /ARC /RT /ARCW /RTW /MACROW /REPORT=report.txt
VIRUSCODE25
VIRUSCODE26
REPORT2   identified

If others can agree on the best switches, this should probably be added 
to the Declude Virus manual.

Matt







Matt wrote:

 The 32-bit version of AVG won't work because it doesn't return result 
 codes which Declude needs to take action.  I E-mailed them about a 
 month ago asking about this and they said that they would add them, 
 probably by the end of that month.  I've been meaning to follow up 
 with them, but I'm sure they are quite busy due to the virus storm and 
 encrypted zip files, trying to find a solution so I will wait a little 
 longer.  The 16-bit command line scanner, avg.exe, is a dog in 
 comparison to F-Prot, it's at least three times slower and it 
 definitely take up much more processing power because it runs under 
 the NTVDM.

 The config for AVG that was shared by Jarod should also be updated.  
 One of the codes in there will cause Declude to treat errors as a 
 virus.  This is how it should be for a second scanner:

 SCANFILE2 C:\Progra~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avg.exe /NOMEM /NOSELF /ARC 
 /REPORT=report.txt
 VIRUSCODE25
 VIRUSCODE26
 REPORT2   identified

 Please note that while this info may be a little obscure to find, like 
 Markus said, there is a lot of repetition going on recently and these 
 things have most definitely been covered recently and should be 
 searchable in the archives.  Unless you monitor this group regularly, 
 it is good practice to search the archives before posting a new 
 question.  Understandably, the search function in the archives kind of 
 sucks.

 Matt



 bill.maillists wrote:

Scott,

Can you shed some light on this?

Thanks,

Bill

-- Original Message --
From: Jerod Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:46:07 -0800

  

I'm confused...

I keep reading reports of the 32-bit version of AVG 7.0 don't work with
Declude.

As far as I can tell, this just isn't true. I have been running avgscan.exe
as my second scanner for quite some time now.

Here is my virus.cfg setup:

SCANFILE2  C:\AVG7\avgscan.exe /NOMEM /NOSELF /ARC /REPORT=report.txt
VIRUSCODE2 2
VIRUSCODE2 6 
REPORT2identified

And here is a report sample:

03/03/2004 00:04:48 Q919d01db01841df5 Scanner 1: Virus=: W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Attachment=me.scr [16] I
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 Scanner 2: Virus=  I-Worm/Netsky.B
Attachment=me.scr [16] I
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 File(s) are INFECTED [:
W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 6]
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 Deleting file with virus
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 Deleting E-mail with virus!
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 Scanned: CONTAINS A VIRUS [MIME: 2
22067]
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 From: [Forged] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[incoming from 4.12.125.74]
03/03/2004 00:04:49 Q919d01db01841df5 Subject: information

I admit there were problems with the installation.  The biggest problem was
avgscan doesn't run in English by default.  You need to go into the GUI and
set English as the default language.

I hope this helps.
-Jerod

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bill.maillists 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] (OT) Second Scanner


I'm running F-Prot, McAfee and as a test recently, AVG. The setup is
straight forward. Do not install the real-time scanner component. As far as
Declude is concerned, the instructions for adding a second scanner and AVG
are in the Declude manual. Since only the 16-bit version works with Declude,
it takes approximately three seconds for AVG to scan a message. That appears
to be the biggest drawback. I do not know when the 32-bit version will work
with Declude. I hope it is soon.

Bill 

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From: Hank Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Declude.Virus] Pls clarify new declude virus settings

2004-03-04 Thread decvirus
I'm sorry, but I'm confused on all the settings and the release notes aren't really 
clear.

If I want to allow all file extensions for attachments and allow all regular zip files 
but:

1. Ban encrypted zip files

2. Ban zip files with dangerous .bat,.com.,.pif.,.scr

What are the BAN commands I should be using in the config file?
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Bagle.J / news.com article on AV software opening zipped files.

2004-03-04 Thread serge
Scott
the minimum that would be practicaly usable for us :

1- Notifications based on banned extension: ONLYSENDIFEXT, SKIPIFEXT

AND

2-BANEZIPEXT2 independant from banext, as in
BANEZIPEXT2 exe
BANEZIPEXT2 com
BANEXT scr
BANEZIPEXT ON

AND

3- ONLYSENDIFFORGING

Also, request for 2 cross-product features
1- REVDNS for %REMOTEIP% in virus
2- Test on attachement type in JM

I know your are curently overwhelmed in this bagle issue, but at least let
me know if you are willing to consider adding these features to your todo
list




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From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Bagle.J / news.com article on AV software
opening zipped files.



 that is going to be a chalenge for scott to incorporate in declude :)

 It's unlikely that we will do this.  It makes for a great marketing
 gimmick, but won't work in the long term.  All it will take is for a virus
 to say The password is  1 2 3 4 5 or The password is 12344 plus 1, and
 those AV programs will quickly leave the spotlight.

 We are an isp, and for us blocking zips is out of the question.

 Remember that all AV programs can catch viruses in standard .ZIP
 files.  It's only the encrypted .ZIP files that pose a problem, and it is
 recommended that people block all encrypted .ZIP files (but allow standard
 .ZIP files through).  That way, extremely few people are inconvenienced,
 but it would be very hard for a virus to get through.

 -Scott
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