[Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF

2004-06-03 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Declude Virus and F-Prot reported 

X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Partial Vulnerability].

This is an e-mail that has been cut into 5 part and it has a PDF
attached to it.

--=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4494C.0AFFE0A0
Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
name=Report.pdf
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename=Report.pdf

We stopped the 5 e-mails but why would it have triggered on a PDF file?

Also how does the client out the PDF back together???

Thanx

 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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Re: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF

2004-06-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

Declude Virus and F-Prot reported
X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Partial Vulnerability].
This is an e-mail that has been cut into 5 part and it has a PDF
attached to it.
That's the vulnerability -- a single attachment that has been split into 
multiple E-mails.  This was cool in the early 90's to bypass the 50K size 
limit for E-mails.  But today, it is not necessary, and causes a 
vulnerability (if not blocked, viruses could spread that way).

We stopped the 5 e-mails but why would it have triggered on a PDF file?
Also how does the client out the PDF back together???
A mail client that gets all 5 parts should (if it supposed split E-mails) 
be able to automagically put them back together into one E-mail.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF

2004-06-03 Thread Goran Jovanovic

I guess it would be nice to say 

BANPARTIAL   EXE
BANPARTIAL   COM
BANPARTIAL   VBS

Etc 

I don't think a PDF can be infected but then again you never know so
maybe .

In any case it is almost a damned if you do damned if you don't

Thanx

 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:28 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF
 
 Goran,
 
 Outlook/Outlook Express allows a sender to split messages over a
certain
 size into multiple attachments.  Messages of this type can bypass
virus
 scanning and therefore represent a vulnerability.  I have however
 personally determined that because it is so easy to turn on, and
because
 I have yet to find any viruses that are currently exploiting this
flaw,
 that it is better to leave it off for now rather than comb over my
hold
 file looking for such messages and alerting those that are set up for
 this.  Scott does provide a stitch for your Virus.cfg that can turn
this
 off with the following:
 
 BANPARTIALOFF
 
 I don't feel that this is a set it and forget it type of setting, so
 use at your own risk, and keep your eyes and ears pealed for exploits
in
 the event that a virus does start exploiting the flaw.  Thankfully the
 trickery has gone down since the arrested that German teenager :)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 Goran Jovanovic wrote:
 
 Declude Virus and F-Prot reported
 
 X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Partial Vulnerability].
 
 This is an e-mail that has been cut into 5 part and it has a PDF
 attached to it.
 
 --=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4494C.0AFFE0A0
 Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
  name=Report.pdf
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
 Content-Disposition: attachment;
  filename=Report.pdf
 
 We stopped the 5 e-mails but why would it have triggered on a PDF
file?
 
 Also how does the client out the PDF back together???
 
 Thanx
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
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RE: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF

2004-06-03 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I think the problem is, that while the extension may show up in one of the
5, it would not be in all 5 and therefore not an accurate test.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:37 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF
 
 
 I guess it would be nice to say
 
 BANPARTIAL   EXE
 BANPARTIAL   COM
 BANPARTIAL   VBS
 
 Etc
 
 I don't think a PDF can be infected but then again you never know so
 maybe .
 
 In any case it is almost a damned if you do damned if you don't
 
 Thanx
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.Virus-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:28 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF
 
  Goran,
 
  Outlook/Outlook Express allows a sender to split messages over a
 certain
  size into multiple attachments.  Messages of this type can bypass
 virus
  scanning and therefore represent a vulnerability.  I have however
  personally determined that because it is so easy to turn on, and
 because
  I have yet to find any viruses that are currently exploiting this
 flaw,
  that it is better to leave it off for now rather than comb over my
 hold
  file looking for such messages and alerting those that are set up for
  this.  Scott does provide a stitch for your Virus.cfg that can turn
 this
  off with the following:
 
  BANPARTIALOFF
 
  I don't feel that this is a set it and forget it type of setting, so
  use at your own risk, and keep your eyes and ears pealed for exploits
 in
  the event that a virus does start exploiting the flaw.  Thankfully the
  trickery has gone down since the arrested that German teenager :)
 
  Matt
 
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic wrote:
 
  Declude Virus and F-Prot reported
  
  X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Partial Vulnerability].
  
  This is an e-mail that has been cut into 5 part and it has a PDF
  attached to it.
  
  --=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4494C.0AFFE0A0
  Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
 name=Report.pdf
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
  Content-Disposition: attachment;
 filename=Report.pdf
  
  We stopped the 5 e-mails but why would it have triggered on a PDF
 file?
  
  Also how does the client out the PDF back together???
  
  Thanx
  
  
   Goran Jovanovic
   The LAN Shoppe
  
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RE: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF

2004-06-03 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Yes I looked again and you are right. So Declude would have to keep
track of e-mail to e-mail and possible out of sequence and different
clients marking the split stuff in different ways 

On/Off switch is the way to go (unfortunately)


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.Virus-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:05 PM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a PDF
 
 I think the problem is, that while the extension may show up in one of
the
 5, it would not be in all 5 and therefore not an accurate test.
 
 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:37 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a
PDF
 
 
  I guess it would be nice to say
 
  BANPARTIAL   EXE
  BANPARTIAL   COM
  BANPARTIAL   VBS
 
  Etc
 
  I don't think a PDF can be infected but then again you never know so
  maybe .
 
  In any case it is almost a damned if you do damned if you don't
 
  Thanx
 
 
   Goran Jovanovic
   The LAN Shoppe
 
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   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.Virus-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
   Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:28 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] What is Partial Vulnerability on a
PDF
  
   Goran,
  
   Outlook/Outlook Express allows a sender to split messages over a
  certain
   size into multiple attachments.  Messages of this type can bypass
  virus
   scanning and therefore represent a vulnerability.  I have however
   personally determined that because it is so easy to turn on, and
  because
   I have yet to find any viruses that are currently exploiting this
  flaw,
   that it is better to leave it off for now rather than comb over my
  hold
   file looking for such messages and alerting those that are set up
for
   this.  Scott does provide a stitch for your Virus.cfg that can
turn
  this
   off with the following:
  
   BANPARTIALOFF
  
   I don't feel that this is a set it and forget it type of
setting, so
   use at your own risk, and keep your eyes and ears pealed for
exploits
  in
   the event that a virus does start exploiting the flaw.  Thankfully
the
   trickery has gone down since the arrested that German teenager :)
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   Goran Jovanovic wrote:
  
   Declude Virus and F-Prot reported
   
   X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Partial Vulnerability].
   
   This is an e-mail that has been cut into 5 part and it has a PDF
   attached to it.
   
   --=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4494C.0AFFE0A0
   Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
name=Report.pdf
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
   Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename=Report.pdf
   
   We stopped the 5 e-mails but why would it have triggered on a PDF
  file?
   
   Also how does the client out the PDF back together???
   
   Thanx
   
   
Goran Jovanovic
The LAN Shoppe
   
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