RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread Mark Smith
Is there a way for Declude to stop checking for the GDI Vulnerability and
rely on F-Prot?
I went to 1.8 and we found that MANY JPG photos were being caught as false
positives.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

Can we advise anyone sending pictures from a MAC to zip them?  Change the
extension?  Would either solution bypass the scanning?
Changing the extension or zipping them would bypass the scanning.
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RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread Mark Smith
When you release next fix, can you add the ability to disable this test from
inside of declude and rely on the AV software?

It killed our photos department yesterday... :)

Mark Smith
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 Is there a way for Declude to stop checking for the GDI
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 and rely on F-Prot?

 Yes, you can go back to 1.79.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

When you release next fix, can you add the ability to disable this test from
inside of declude and rely on the AV software?
We probably will, but there should be no legitimate reason for JPEGs to 
contain the exploit.

The issue is that Microsoft's algorithm for detecting them was bad.  Our 
algorithm should be perfect.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread Jim Matuska
Scott,
Any idea on ETA for the new algorithm?  Also, will this be an interim, 
release, or beta?

Jim Matuska Jr.
Computer Tech II
CCNA
Nez Perce Tribe
Information Systems
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When you release next fix, can you add the ability to disable this test 
from
inside of declude and rely on the AV software?
We probably will, but there should be no legitimate reason for JPEGs to 
contain the exploit.

The issue is that Microsoft's algorithm for detecting them was bad.  Our 
algorithm should be perfect.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread William Stillwell
How about adding per domain too.. for the pro..
ie, in virus_domains.txt do:
DOMAINON / OFF / INONLY / OUTONLY
ADD:
DOMAIN FILEX.CFG
and in x.cfg have the standard:
Skipext, Banext, Prescan, Ban Options, Footer, Delivererrors,Delete options, 
which overwrite the standard
settings in virus.cfg just for that domain.

I am tearing my hair out trying to block all attachments for a single 
domain. without doing funky filters.


When you release next fix, can you add the ability to disable this test 
from
inside of declude and rely on the AV software?
We probably will, but there should be no legitimate reason for JPEGs to 
contain the exploit.

The issue is that Microsoft's algorithm for detecting them was bad.  Our 
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   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

How about adding per domain too.. for the pro..
DOMAIN FILEX.CFG
and in x.cfg have the standard:
Skipext, Banext, Prescan, Ban Options, Footer, Delivererrors,Delete 
options, which overwrite the standard
settings in virus.cfg just for that domain.
We do have enhanced per-user/per-domain options in the suggestion database.
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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread Matt
R. Scott Perry wrote:
We probably will, but there should be no legitimate reason for JPEGs 
to contain the exploit.

The issue is that Microsoft's algorithm for detecting them was bad.  
Our algorithm should be perfect.

If you provided a switch for all such vulnerabilities, then we wouldn't 
have to downgrade to fix another issue if it appeared, and of course we 
would have the granularity that we desire in our systems as far as 
vulnerability detection goes.  This really must happen, and I have been 
waiting very patiently for it to happen for quite some time, and I will 
continue to wait patiently since I don't expect miracles to happen 
overnight, but I would really, really appreciate it if you could raise 
the priority of when to allow us to turn these all off and on individually.

Thanks,
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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread William Stillwell
And not to upset anyone, how long does it take
it to make it to production or beta?
I noticed this has been in the Suggestion Database for
almost two years.
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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Customized Footer for domain
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:40:28 -0800
Thanks for the aid on other question. We currently have the virus footer 
disabled, but I have one client who would like a footer added to his email 
that it was scanned for viruses. Is there a way to do this except globally 
in the virus.cfg file? Again, thank you.

Unfortunately, there isn't any way to do it except globally. However, having 
footers configurable per domain is already in the suggestion database.
-Scott

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How about adding per domain too.. for the pro..
DOMAIN FILEX.CFG
and in x.cfg have the standard:
Skipext, Banext, Prescan, Ban Options, Footer, Delivererrors,Delete 
options, which overwrite the standard
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We do have enhanced per-user/per-domain options in the suggestion 
database.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread R. Scott Perry

And not to upset anyone, how long does it take
it to make it to production or beta?
I noticed this has been in the Suggestion Database for
almost two years.
It is important to realize that the suggestion database is not a list of 
features for the next release.  It is as the name implies -- a database of 
suggestions that have been reported by customers.  So saying that it is 
already in the suggestion database simply means that it has been requested 
in the past, and will be considered for future releases.  Whether or not it 
makes it to a future release depends on many factors -- the amount of 
development time allotted to the new release, how many customers will 
benefit from it, how long it would take to add the feature, etc.

In this case, it is a feature that would likely require a lot of work.  On 
the other hand, it is something that a number of customers have requested.

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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-30 Thread Jay Calvert
Is there a test yet?  I would really like to know if we are atleast
protected by email.
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 And not to upset anyone, how long does it take
 it to make it to production or beta?
 
 I noticed this has been in the Suggestion Database for
 almost two years.

 It is important to realize that the suggestion database is not a list of
 features for the next release.  It is as the name implies -- a database of
 suggestions that have been reported by customers.  So saying that it is
 already in the suggestion database simply means that it has been requested
 in the past, and will be considered for future releases.  Whether or not
it
 makes it to a future release depends on many factors -- the amount of
 development time allotted to the new release, how many customers will
 benefit from it, how long it would take to add the feature, etc.

 In this case, it is a feature that would likely require a lot of work.  On
 the other hand, it is something that a number of customers have requested.

 -Scott
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[Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-29 Thread marc catuogno

I had a JPG held by declude as:
 X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG Vulnerability].

However, this was a JPG sent from one of my users to another.  I seriously
doubt it was infected with anything.  The only thing was that it was sent
from a MAC.

User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006

Does he need to update his version?  Or is it something else?

Marc

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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-29 Thread R. Scott Perry

I had a JPG held by declude as:
 X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG Vulnerability].
However, this was a JPG sent from one of my users to another.  I seriously
doubt it was infected with anything.  The only thing was that it was sent
from a MAC.
User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006
Does he need to update his version?  Or is it something else?
The problem is that Microsoft decided not to give out any information on 
how to detect the exploit.  The person that discovered the exploit, 
however, provided details on how the exploit could be detected.  There was, 
unfortunately, a flaw in the detection method, causing occasional false 
positives (in our tests, about 1 in 1,000 legitimate JPEG files was getting 
caught as a result).  We are planning to change the detection code to use 
our own (more complex) method.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-29 Thread Markus Gufler

 I had a JPG held by declude as:
  X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG Vulnerability].
 
 However, this was a JPG sent from one of my users to another. 
  I seriously doubt it was infected with anything.  The only 
 thing was that it was sent from a MAC.

After looking in the logfiles I can see a lot of GDIPlus.DLL-vulnerabilities
where sender and recipient are well known to me and it also have seriuos
doubts that this are all real vulnerabilities.

Some of them I know are using MAC's. Other lines in the logfile shows
GDIPlus-Errors with recipients working as graphic designers (and so are
using also MAC's)

Anyone having a MAC and using v1.80 to verify this?

Markus


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RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-29 Thread Markus Gufler

For example there is a message showing up in the logfile as

09/29/2004 16:02:55 Qc07307e2007404eb [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG
Vulnerability]
09/29/2004 16:02:55 Qc07307e2007404eb [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG
Vulnerability]
09/29/2004 16:02:55 Qc07307e2007404eb [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG
Vulnerability]
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb Found a bogus .jpg file
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb Found a bogus .jpg file
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb Found a bogus .jpg file
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb File(s) are INFECTED [[Microsoft
GDIPlus.DLL JPEG Vulnerability]: 0]
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb Scanned: CONTAINS A VIRUS [MIME: 10
2230347]
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb From:xx To:
x [incoming from x.x.x.x]
09/29/2004 16:02:56 Qc07307e2007404eb Subject: xx


What Attacker would use 2 MB images? (or at least 3 images each one having
700 kByte)

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RE: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-29 Thread marc catuogno
Thanks-

Both jpgs held were sent by the same person - a graphic designer using a
MAC.  If that helps you change the code.

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I had a JPG held by declude as:
  X-Declude-Virus: Detected [Microsoft GDIPlus.DLL JPEG Vulnerability].

However, this was a JPG sent from one of my users to another.  I seriously
doubt it was infected with anything.  The only thing was that it was sent
from a MAC.

User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006

Does he need to update his version?  Or is it something else?

The problem is that Microsoft decided not to give out any information on 
how to detect the exploit.  The person that discovered the exploit, 
however, provided details on how the exploit could be detected.  There was, 
unfortunately, a flaw in the detection method, causing occasional false 
positives (in our tests, about 1 in 1,000 legitimate JPEG files was getting 
caught as a result).  We are planning to change the detection code to use 
our own (more complex) method.

-Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] GDI false Postive

2004-09-29 Thread Mike Wiegers
Sent a test message with jpg attached from Macintosh Entourage 11.0.0
(040405) and it was not caught.

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