Re: About Re: Denemo icon missing in application menu. was Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Thursday, November 25, 2021 8:34:15 A.M. AST Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 15:20 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:14:20 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 16:49 +, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > Well my upgrade to Debian stable has worked, and I have built
> > > > Denemo
> > > > from sources using the atril.patch and without installing the
> > > > libevince-dev package, installing instead libatrilview-dev and
> > > > libatrildocument-dev (I don't know if this last one was required,
> > > > I
> > > > didn't try without).
> > > > The good(ish) news is that the following of links from the Print
> > > > View
> > > > back to the Denemo Display works, so re-positioning things like
> > > > trill
> > > > signs can be done via dragging in the Print View.
> > > > My next experiment (after checking more things with this atril
> > > > build)
> > > > is to install from the Debian repository see if the tweaking
> > > > fails
> > > > and
> > > > also see if the Icon appears in the Applications menu - in this
> > > > respect
> > > > I can mention that installing the evolution package failed to put
> > > > an
> > > > icon in the application menu, which is pretty extraordinary.
> > > > Then I'll at last be able to test if the inability to tweak
> > > > objects
> > > > is
> > > > due to libevince changes...
> > > 
> > > So I have tested the 2.5.4 built with atril and everything is
> > > working.
> > > I've installed the Debian package, it has placed the icon in the
> > > applications directory (MATE desktop) and I can confirm that the
> > > links
> > > from Print View are not working (strangely links from source pdfs
> > > are
> > > working).
> 
> this was a spurious observation on my part - the links from source pdfs
> do not involved libevince handling a signal, unlike those from Print
> View.
> 
> > >  So the finger of suspicion still points to libevince. I'll
> > > 
> > > build against that next.
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > 
> > Thanks for the update.  I'll be happy to test whenever you're ready.
> 
> I've just noticed that this thread has been left hanging, sorry. I
> installed libevince-dev and the links from Print View were broken.
> So the fix at the moment is to build against libatril-dev.
> Unfortunately Denemo's configure file doesn't give an option to force
> the build to use libatril, it will only use it if libevince is absent,
> so that has to be uninstalled before building.
> 
> Richard

Using the 25 November version 2.5.7, I did as you recommended; I uninstalled  
libevince-dev and installed  libatril-dev.  I can confirm that the links are 
showing in the Print View window and that the items in the right-click context 
menu work on an object. 

Thanks, Richard.

Robert

Re: About Re: Denemo icon missing in application menu. was Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 15:20 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> On Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:14:20 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 16:49 +, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > Well my upgrade to Debian stable has worked, and I have built
> > > Denemo
> > > from sources using the atril.patch and without installing the
> > > libevince-dev package, installing instead libatrilview-dev and
> > > libatrildocument-dev (I don't know if this last one was required,
> > > I
> > > didn't try without). 
> > > The good(ish) news is that the following of links from the Print
> > > View
> > > back to the Denemo Display works, so re-positioning things like
> > > trill
> > > signs can be done via dragging in the Print View.
> > > My next experiment (after checking more things with this atril
> > > build)
> > > is to install from the Debian repository see if the tweaking
> > > fails
> > > and
> > > also see if the Icon appears in the Applications menu - in this
> > > respect
> > > I can mention that installing the evolution package failed to put
> > > an
> > > icon in the application menu, which is pretty extraordinary.
> > > Then I'll at last be able to test if the inability to tweak
> > > objects
> > > is
> > > due to libevince changes...
> > 
> > So I have tested the 2.5.4 built with atril and everything is
> > working.
> > I've installed the Debian package, it has placed the icon in the
> > applications directory (MATE desktop) and I can confirm that the
> > links
> > from Print View are not working (strangely links from source pdfs
> > are
> > working).
this was a spurious observation on my part - the links from source pdfs
do not involved libevince handling a signal, unlike those from Print
View.
> >  So the finger of suspicion still points to libevince. I'll
> > build against that next.
> > 
> > Richard
> 
> Thanks for the update.  I'll be happy to test whenever you're ready.

I've just noticed that this thread has been left hanging, sorry. I
installed libevince-dev and the links from Print View were broken.
So the fix at the moment is to build against libatril-dev.
Unfortunately Denemo's configure file doesn't give an option to force
the build to use libatril, it will only use it if libevince is absent,
so that has to be uninstalled before building.

Richard

Re: About Re: Denemo icon missing in application menu. was Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:14:20 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 16:49 +, Richard Shann wrote:
> > Well my upgrade to Debian stable has worked, and I have built Denemo
> > from sources using the atril.patch and without installing the
> > libevince-dev package, installing instead libatrilview-dev and
> > libatrildocument-dev (I don't know if this last one was required, I
> > didn't try without). 
> > The good(ish) news is that the following of links from the Print View
> > back to the Denemo Display works, so re-positioning things like trill
> > signs can be done via dragging in the Print View.
> > My next experiment (after checking more things with this atril build)
> > is to install from the Debian repository see if the tweaking fails
> > and
> > also see if the Icon appears in the Applications menu - in this
> > respect
> > I can mention that installing the evolution package failed to put an
> > icon in the application menu, which is pretty extraordinary.
> > Then I'll at last be able to test if the inability to tweak objects
> > is
> > due to libevince changes...
> 
> So I have tested the 2.5.4 built with atril and everything is working.
> I've installed the Debian package, it has placed the icon in the
> applications directory (MATE desktop) and I can confirm that the links
> from Print View are not working (strangely links from source pdfs are
> working). So the finger of suspicion still points to libevince. I'll
> build against that next.
> 
> Richard

Thanks for the update.  I'll be happy to test whenever you're ready.

Robert

About Re: Denemo icon missing in application menu. was Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 17:28 +0200, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 13:37, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 13:13 +0200, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 13:01, Richard Shann
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 10:17 +0200, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I compiled and installed (sudo make install) Denemo, and a
> > > > > Denemo
> > > > > launcher in the application menu
> > > > 
> > > > Thinking about it, you presumably mean the application menu of
> > > > the
> > > > Mac
> > > > O/S desktop rather than some virtual desktop created by the
> > > > VirtualBox
> > > > software? In which case this would hinge on the desktop.ini
> > > > conventions
> > > > that the Virtual Box software is working to.
> > > 
> > > Hi, no, I mean the application menu of the Linux OS in which I'm
> > > currently running Denemo.
> > ah, ok, a virtual desktop. I may know more about this shortly as
> > I'm
> > about to upgrade to Debian stable...

Well my upgrade to Debian stable has worked, and I have built Denemo
from sources using the atril.patch and without installing the
libevince-dev package, installing instead libatrilview-dev and
libatrildocument-dev (I don't know if this last one was required, I
didn't try without). 
The good(ish) news is that the following of links from the Print View
back to the Denemo Display works, so re-positioning things like trill
signs can be done via dragging in the Print View.
My next experiment (after checking more things with this atril build)
is to install from the Debian repository see if the tweaking fails and
also see if the Icon appears in the Applications menu - in this respect
I can mention that installing the evolution package failed to put an
icon in the application menu, which is pretty extraordinary.
Then I'll at last be able to test if the inability to tweak objects is
due to libevince changes...

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 7:38:39 A.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-10-26 at 11:04 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > Hello Richard -
> > 
> > I was just wondering, do you think I should file a bug report on the
> > Debian 
> > Bullseye Denemo package:  denemo (2.5.0-1)?
> 
> I think it's probably best not to bother them with it, at best they
> will just pass the report on to us, which is useful only when it hasn't
> been reported directly. I'll be making progress on upgrading my Debian
> soon.
> 
> Richard

Okay.  Thanks very much.

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

Hello Richard -

I was just wondering, do you think I should file a bug report on the Debian 
Bullseye Denemo package:  denemo (2.5.0-1)?

Thanks.

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 21:06 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > 
> > > but the cursor doesn't move and I don't get any message in the
> > > terminal.
> > 
> > so the signal is not emitted. I'll try and build against libatril.

I applied that attached patch to the sources using

patch -p1 < atril.patch

and as it doesn't provide a method of forcing use of libatril instead
of libevince I uninstalled libevince-dev so that it would choose
libatril-dev. However it seemed that just installing libatril-dev was
not sufficient. I couldn't make any further progress because my distro
is now too ancient, so I think I will have to upgrade before taking
this further. This won't be possible this week unfortunately.
If anyone can get this patch working meanwhile (I'm sure it just needs
tweaking to allow --enable-atril) and can get a build using atril there
is a reasonable chance that wysywig operations will be restored. (This
is based on the fact that the MATE desktop seems to be an attempt to
keep the interface that gnome had before they followed the rush towards
gesture-based guis).

Richard
--- a/configure.ac 2021-02-10 05:01:18.504869919 +0100
+++ b/configure.ac 2021-06-30 16:58:17.796489927 +0200
@@ -251,10 +251,16 @@
 fi

 if test "x$have_evince2_3" = "xno"; then
-  PKG_CHECK_MODULES(EVINCE_2_32, evince-view-2.32 >= 2.0)
+  PKG_CHECK_MODULES(EVINCE_2_32, evince-view-2.32 >= 2.0, have_evince2_32=yes, have_evince2_32=no)
   CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $EVINCE_2_32_CFLAGS"
   LIBS="$LIBS $EVINCE_2_32_LIBS"
 fi
+
+if test "x$have_evince2_32" = "xno"; then
+  PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ATRIL, atril-view-1.5.0 >= 1.5 have_atril=yes, have_atril=no)
+  CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $ATRIL_CFLAGS"
+  LIBS="$LIBS $ATRIL_LIBS"
+fi
   fi
 fi

@@ -267,15 +273,25 @@
   LIBS="$LIBS $GTKSOURCEVIEW_LIBS"

   if test "x$useevince" != "xno"; then
-PKG_CHECK_MODULES(EVINCE, evince-view-3.0 >= 3.0)
+PKG_CHECK_MODULES(EVINCE, evince-view-3.0 >= 3.0, have_envince_3_0=yes, have_envince_3_0=no)
 CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $EVINCE_CFLAGS"
 LIBS="$LIBS $EVINCE_LIBS"
   fi
+
+  if test "x$have_envince_3_0" = "xno"; then
+PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ATRIL, atril-view-1.5.0 >= 1.5, have_atril=yes, have_atril=no)
+CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $ATRIL_CFLAGS"
+LIBS="$LIBS $ATRIL_LIBS"
+  fi
 fi

 if test "x$useevince" = "xyes"; then
   CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -DUSE_EVINCE"
   LIBS="$LIBS -DUSE_EVINCE"
+  if test "x$have_atril" = "xyes"; then
+CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -DUSE_ATRIL"
+LIBS="$LIBS $ATRIL_LIBS"
+  fi
 fi

 AC_ARG_ENABLE(
diff -ruN a/src/printview/markupview.c b/src/printview/markupview.c
--- a/src/printview/markupview.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.314877858 +0100
+++ b/src/printview/markupview.c 2021-06-30 16:54:34.574654343 +0200
@@ -1,4 +1,8 @@
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#else
 #include 
+#endif
 #include 
 #include 
 #include 
diff -ruN a/src/printview/printview.c b/src/printview/printview.c
--- a/src/printview/printview.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.314877858 +0100
+++ b/src/printview/printview.c 2021-06-30 16:54:40.591621493 +0200
@@ -1,4 +1,8 @@
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#else
 #include 
+#endif
 #include 
 #include 
 #include 
diff -ruN a/src/source/proof.c b/src/source/proof.c
--- a/src/source/proof.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.318211052 +0100
+++ b/src/source/proof.c 2021-06-30 16:55:18.887414370 +0200
@@ -21,8 +21,13 @@
 #include "source/proof.h"
 #include "core/view.h"
 #include "core/utils.h"
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#include 
+#else
 #include 
 #include 
+#endif

 static const gchar *nearest_annotation_text = NULL;
 static GList *annotated_pages = NULL;
diff -ruN a/src/source/source.c b/src/source/source.c
--- a/src/source/source.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.318211052 +0100
+++ b/src/source/source.c 2021-06-30 16:55:45.880270386 +0200
@@ -20,7 +20,11 @@
 #include "source/source.h"
 #include "core/view.h"
 #include "core/utils.h"
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#else
 #include 
+#endif

 static gboolean Dragging;
 static GdkPoint DragStart, DragEnd;
diff -ruN a/tools/annotator.c b/tools/annotator.c
--- a/tools/annotator.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.344876604 +0100
+++ b/tools/annotator.c 2021-06-30 17:49:50.413450185 +0200
@@ -22,7 +22,11 @@
 #include 
 #include 
 #include
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#else
 #include 
+#endif

 #define SPOT_SIZE (10) //size of spot for picking out an annotation
 typedef struct Location {
diff -ruN a/tools/pageswitcher.c b/tools/pageswitcher.c
--- a/tools/pageswitcher.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.344876604 +0100
+++ b/tools/pageswitcher.c 2021-06-30 17:49:47.148464866 +0200
@@ -22,7 +22,11 @@
 #include 
 #include 
 #include
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#else
 #include 
+#endif

 #define SPOT_SIZE (10) //size of spot for picking out an annotation
 typedef struct Location {
diff -ruN a/tools/pageturner.c b/tools/pageturner.c
--- a/tools/pageturner.c 2021-02-10 05:01:18.344876604 +0100
+++ b/tools/pageturner.c 2021-06-30 17:49:46.399468236 +0200
@@ -22,7 +22,11 @@
 #include 
 #include 
 #include
+#ifdef USE_ATRIL
+#include 
+#else
 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 5:49:44 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:57 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > and no output in the terminal?
> > 
> > I'm not sure what/which terminal you mean.  I haven't understood
> > that 
> > reference in your conversations with Lib.  Could you help me out with
> > that, 
> > please?
> 
> A terminal when you are in a typical desktop environment is a window
> into which you can type commands - usually to be found in some "system
> tools" menu or some such, you must surely have been typing into one if
> you built denemo using the commands ./autogen.sh etc?
> If you run denemo from the terminal (if you are still in the directory
> where you built it then ./src/denemo would launch it, if you installed
> it then just typing denemo
>  will launch it) then you will see a heap of messages and finally
> Denemo will start. Then when you click on a note head in the Print View
> with version 2.5.4 you will see a message saying what the URI that has
> been signalled was. It would seem however that the signal is not being
> sent, so nothing will be written to the terminal.
> 
> Richard

I wasn't thinking of a usual terminal.  For some reason I thought it was 
something specific within Denemo that was available from one of the menus.

>From now on I will launch Denemo from the terminal to get more information and 
do better reporting.

Thank you for you patience and understanding.

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:57 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > and no output in the terminal?
> 
> I'm not sure what/which terminal you mean.  I haven't understood
> that 
> reference in your conversations with Lib.  Could you help me out with
> that, 
> please?

A terminal when you are in a typical desktop environment is a window
into which you can type commands - usually to be found in some "system
tools" menu or some such, you must surely have been typing into one if
you built denemo using the commands ./autogen.sh etc?
If you run denemo from the terminal (if you are still in the directory
where you built it then ./src/denemo would launch it, if you installed
it then just typing
denemo
 will launch it) then you will see a heap of messages and finally
Denemo will start. Then when you click on a note head in the Print View
with version 2.5.4 you will see a message saying what the URI that has
been signalled was. It would seem however that the signal is not being
sent, so nothing will be written to the terminal.

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 4:35:21 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:14 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > Hi Richard - 
> > 
> > ---snip---
> > 
> > I've completed the build of 2.5.4.  Unfortunately my results are the
> > same as 
> > in my original post, i.e.:
> > . nothing happens when I hover over an object (text or notes)
> 
> The hand cursor appears?
Yes

>  After a moment a box showing the link pops up?
No, not in the Print View window.  However, if I click on the PDF button and 
save the PDF, when I view it in Okular the link does come up when the hand is 
on an object.

> > . right-clicking on text or notes brings up the 3 option menu
> > (Help  for 
> > Tweaks, etc.)
> 
> and no output in the terminal?
I'm not sure what/which terminal you mean.  I haven't understood that 
reference in your conversations with Lib.  Could you help me out with that, 
please?
> 
> I ask these because Lib is reporting that he gets these but the link is
> not followed (so no positioning of the Denemo cursor, playback etc).
> 
> Richard

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:14 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> Hi Richard - 
> 
> ---snip---
> 
> I've completed the build of 2.5.4.  Unfortunately my results are the
> same as 
> in my original post, i.e.:
> . nothing happens when I hover over an object (text or notes)

The hand cursor appears? After a moment a box showing the link pops up?

> . right-clicking on text or notes brings up the 3 option menu
> (Help  for 
> Tweaks, etc.)

and no output in the terminal?

I ask these because Lib is reporting that he gets these but the link is
not followed (so no positioning of the Denemo cursor, playback etc).

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

Hi Richard - 

---snip---

I've completed the build of 2.5.4.  Unfortunately my results are the same as 
in my original post, i.e.:
. nothing happens when I hover over an object (text or notes)
. right-clicking on text or notes brings up the 3 option menu (Help  for 
Tweaks, etc.)
. left-clicking on text or dynamics does nothing
. left-clicking on a note does nothing -- playback doesn't start and the main 
window does not come up and move to the note for playback

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 12:05:34 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 11:05 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > Overnight I've been mulling this over and one thing to check is to
> > > export the Print View using the PDF button and then fire up your
> > > pdf
> > > viewer on the resultant pdf file. This should then show the links
> > > when
> > > hovering over a note. The default pdf viewer on my system is
> > > "atril"
> > > and it does show the links, but if your viewer is "evince" and does
> > > not
> > > show the links then that would indicate the problem is with
> > > libevince.
> > > Coincidentally someone submitted a patch for linking Denemo to
> > > libatril
> > > recently which didn't get applied because there wasn't any
> > > guarantee
> > > that the program would work with that alternative library (and even
> > > if
> > > it did, just changing the names would be pointless). It may be
> > > opportune to look at this again. After all, there must be some
> > > reason
> > > that Debian has a libatril package...
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > 
> > I exported the Print View with the PDF button, and when I view it in
> > Okular 
> > (I'm using KDE) the links for text, dynamics, and notes do show when
> > I hover 
> > over them.
> 
> To be clear: this is in a situation where Denemo does *not* follow the
> links - ie right clicking does not offer to reposition trills etc?
> 
> Richard

That's correct.  Right-clicking brings up a menu to either copy or follow the 
link.

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 20:52, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 20:24 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > Crucially, do you get (with this 2.5.4 version) on left-click on
> > > the
> > > first note head.
> > >
> > > The URI obtained for this link is
> > > textedit:///tmp/Denemo_1COUB1/denemoprintB.ly:19:9:10
> > >
> > > in the terminal when it fails to move the cursor in the Denemo
> > > Window.
> > > If you get no message at all it means that the Print View is not
> > > issuing the handle-link signal...
> >
> > I get the link textedit:///tmp/Denemo_QMPMB1/denemoprintB.ly:19:9:10
>
> by "get the link textedit:..." do you mean it pops that up when you
> hover?

Yes, exactly.

>
> > but the cursor doesn't move and I don't get any message in the
> > terminal.
>
> so the signal is not emitted. I'll try and build against libatril.

Thank you!

Lib

>
> Richard
>

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 20:24 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > Crucially, do you get (with this 2.5.4 version) on left-click on
> > the
> > first note head.
> > 
> > The URI obtained for this link is
> > textedit:///tmp/Denemo_1COUB1/denemoprintB.ly:19:9:10
> > 
> > in the terminal when it fails to move the cursor in the Denemo
> > Window.
> > If you get no message at all it means that the Print View is not
> > issuing the handle-link signal...
> 
> I get the link textedit:///tmp/Denemo_QMPMB1/denemoprintB.ly:19:9:10

by "get the link textedit:..." do you mean it pops that up when you
hover?

> but the cursor doesn't move and I don't get any message in the
> terminal.

so the signal is not emitted. I'll try and build against libatril.

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 20:18, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 20:08 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:07, Richard Shann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 15:53 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 11:49, Richard Shann  > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 10:58 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > source.
> > > > > > Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/
> > > > > > hack
> > > > > > ing-
> > > > > > sources/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git
> > > > >
> > > > > if you have already done that then you just need to do
> > > > > git checkout master
> > > > > in the directory that you git cloned to.
> > > >
> > > > I got this message:
> > > > ~/denemo$ git checkout master
> > > > Already on 'master'
> > > > Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > sorry, as Andreas says it's git pull. It just goes to show how long
> > > it
> > > has been since someone else updated Denemo's repository!
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> >
> > Thank you, I updated to 2.5.4. Unfortunately the situation is as
> > before (left-click on the Print View doesn't move the cursor in the
> > Denemo Window to the right position.
>
> Crucially, do you get (with this 2.5.4 version) on left-click on the
> first note head.
>
> The URI obtained for this link is 
> textedit:///tmp/Denemo_1COUB1/denemoprintB.ly:19:9:10
>
> in the terminal when it fails to move the cursor in the Denemo Window.
> If you get no message at all it means that the Print View is not
> issuing the handle-link signal...

I get the link textedit:///tmp/Denemo_QMPMB1/denemoprintB.ly:19:9:10
but the cursor doesn't move and I don't get any message in the
terminal.

Lib

>
> Richard
>

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 20:08, Lib Lists  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:07, Richard Shann  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 15:53 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 11:49, Richard Shann 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 10:58 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update from
> > > > > source.
> > > > > Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/hack
> > > > > ing-
> > > > > sources/
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git
> > > >
> > > > if you have already done that then you just need to do
> > > > git checkout master
> > > > in the directory that you git cloned to.
> > >
> > > I got this message:
> > > ~/denemo$ git checkout master
> > > Already on 'master'
> > > Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something?
> >
> > sorry, as Andreas says it's git pull. It just goes to show how long it
> > has been since someone else updated Denemo's repository!
> >
> > Richard
> >
>
> Thank you, I updated to 2.5.4. Unfortunately the situation is as
> before (left-click on the Print View doesn't move the cursor in the
> Denemo Window to the right position. Also, the Denemo Window doesn't
> get selected after left-clicking on the Print View).
>
> When I started Denemo after the update, I selected the option of using
> the old preferences and palettes. Let me know if that could be a
> problem.
>
> Cheers,
> Lib

If it helps, I just noticed that I cannot perform any tweak from the
Print View (I selected the Red dots and crosses option and tried to
click and drag the red point of a slur), but as I never used the
option before I don't know if I'm missing something about the usage of
this feature.


Lib

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:07, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 15:53 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 11:49, Richard Shann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 10:58 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update from
> > > > source.
> > > > Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/hack
> > > > ing-
> > > > sources/
> > > >
> > > > 1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git
> > >
> > > if you have already done that then you just need to do
> > > git checkout master
> > > in the directory that you git cloned to.
> >
> > I got this message:
> > ~/denemo$ git checkout master
> > Already on 'master'
> > Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
> >
> > Am I missing something?
>
> sorry, as Andreas says it's git pull. It just goes to show how long it
> has been since someone else updated Denemo's repository!
>
> Richard
>

Thank you, I updated to 2.5.4. Unfortunately the situation is as
before (left-click on the Print View doesn't move the cursor in the
Denemo Window to the right position. Also, the Denemo Window doesn't
get selected after left-clicking on the Print View).

When I started Denemo after the update, I selected the option of using
the old preferences and palettes. Let me know if that could be a
problem.

Cheers,
Lib

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 15:53 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 11:49, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 10:58 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update from
> > > source.
> > > Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/hack
> > > ing-
> > > sources/
> > > 
> > > 1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git
> > 
> > if you have already done that then you just need to do
> > git checkout master
> > in the directory that you git cloned to.
> 
> I got this message:
> ~/denemo$ git checkout master
> Already on 'master'
> Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
> 
> Am I missing something?

sorry, as Andreas says it's git pull. It just goes to show how long it
has been since someone else updated Denemo's repository!

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 11:05 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > 
> > Overnight I've been mulling this over and one thing to check is to
> > export the Print View using the PDF button and then fire up your
> > pdf
> > viewer on the resultant pdf file. This should then show the links
> > when
> > hovering over a note. The default pdf viewer on my system is
> > "atril"
> > and it does show the links, but if your viewer is "evince" and does
> > not
> > show the links then that would indicate the problem is with
> > libevince.
> > Coincidentally someone submitted a patch for linking Denemo to
> > libatril
> > recently which didn't get applied because there wasn't any
> > guarantee
> > that the program would work with that alternative library (and even
> > if
> > it did, just changing the names would be pointless). It may be
> > opportune to look at this again. After all, there must be some
> > reason
> > that Debian has a libatril package...
> > 
> > Richard
> 
> I exported the Print View with the PDF button, and when I view it in
> Okular 
> (I'm using KDE) the links for text, dynamics, and notes do show when
> I hover 
> over them.

To be clear: this is in a situation where Denemo does *not* follow the
links - ie right clicking does not offer to reposition trills etc?

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Andreas Schneider]

Hi Robert,

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 16:51, Robert Lewis wrote:
> Hello Andreas -
>
> Thank you for reminding me about your .deb builds -- I have always used them
> with success.  I tried your 2.5.4 build, but there are missing libraries that
> are no longer available for Debian Bullseye -- they are:
>
> guile-2.0-libs(guile-2.2-libs in Bullseye)
> libfluidsynth1(libfluidsynth2 in Bullseye)
> libgc1c2  (libgc1 in Bullseye)
>
> I hope you can update these libraries for installation on Bullseye.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robert

This is determined by the operating system of Denemo's server on which
the nightly build runs, so Jeremiah would need to update the server in
order to make the builds for Bullseye.

Andreas

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

Hi Richard - 

---snip---

> > > What should I do next?
> 
> you have to install a whole bunch of stuff
> 
> apt-get install guile-2.0-dev libaubio-dev portaudio19-dev libfftw3-dev
> libgtk-3-dev libxml2-dev automake libtool libgtksourceview-3.0-dev
> libfluidsynth-dev autoconf libsmf-dev autopoint librsvg2-dev
> libportmidi-dev libsndfile1-dev libevince-dev librsvg2-dev
> librubberband-dev intltool gtk-doc-tools
> 
> and then
> 
> /autogen.sh && ./configure && make && ./src/denemo
> 
> as above.

Thanks very much for the list of packages and the instructions.  I'll get to 
it soon.

> 
> Overnight I've been mulling this over and one thing to check is to
> export the Print View using the PDF button and then fire up your pdf
> viewer on the resultant pdf file. This should then show the links when
> hovering over a note. The default pdf viewer on my system is "atril"
> and it does show the links, but if your viewer is "evince" and does not
> show the links then that would indicate the problem is with libevince.
> Coincidentally someone submitted a patch for linking Denemo to libatril
> recently which didn't get applied because there wasn't any guarantee
> that the program would work with that alternative library (and even if
> it did, just changing the names would be pointless). It may be
> opportune to look at this again. After all, there must be some reason
> that Debian has a libatril package...
> 
> Richard

I exported the Print View with the PDF button, and when I view it in Okular 
(I'm using KDE) the links for text, dynamics, and notes do show when I hover 
over them.

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Andreas Schneider]

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 15:53, Lib Lists wrote:> I got this message:>
~/denemo$ git checkout master> Already on 'master'> Your branch is
up-to-date with 'origin/master'.> > Am I missing something?
You update your local copy of the source from remote with the command
git pull

Andreas

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

You can also try the nightly builds at
http://www.denemo.org/~aschneider/daily/
(download *denemo*2.5.4*.deb)

Andreas


Hello Andreas - 

Thank you for reminding me about your .deb builds -- I have always used them 
with success.  I tried your 2.5.4 build, but there are missing libraries that 
are no longer available for Debian Bullseye -- they are:

guile-2.0-libs  (guile-2.2-libs in Bullseye)
libfluidsynth1  (libfluidsynth2 in Bullseye)
libgc1c2(libgc1 in Bullseye)

I hope you can update these libraries for installation on Bullseye.

Thank you.

Regards,
Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 11:49, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 10:58 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update from
> > source.
> > Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/hacking-
> > sources/
> >
> > 1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git
>
> if you have already done that then you just need to do
> git checkout master
> in the directory that you git cloned to.

I got this message:
~/denemo$ git checkout master
Already on 'master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.

Am I missing something?

>
> > 2. follow the build instructions?
>
> then
>
> ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make
>
> and without even installing you can run
>
> ./src/denemo
>
> to test it out.
>
> see below from tar ball
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lib
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 02:56, Robert Lewis 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Saturday, October 23, 2021 6:15:48 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 20:14 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann  > > > > s.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to both of you for your replies
> > > > > > I'm confident it is the same problem: and putting all your
> > > > > > information
> > > > > > together I think the answer will lie in the versions of Gtk
> > > > > > in use.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > you can run the command
> > > > > >
> > > > > > denemo --version
> > > > > >
> > > > > > in a terminal for each of your configurations it may shed
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > light.
> > > > > > I'm afraid I haven't updated my Debian distro for a good
> > > > > > while (I'm
> > > > > > still on Stretch I think) so it is all too possible that
> > > > > > libevince
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > altered its behavior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My output is as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rshann@debian:~/ denemo --version
> > > > > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > > > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.22.11, compiled against: 3.22.11,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the output I get:
> > > > >
> > > > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.24.20, compiled against: 3.24.20,
> > > >
> > > > I've not had any luck trying to find documentation for libevince,
> > > > but I
> > > > have put in a print out of the link that Denemo is trying to
> > > > follow as
> > > > received from libevince when you right click on a note in the
> > > > Print
> > > > View. I've put this into the repository and bumped the
> > > > development
> > > > version to 2.5.4
> > > > If either of you could by any chance rebuild from current master
> > > > with
> > > > this version, right click and read the response in the terminal
> > > > that
> > > > should show where the trouble lies.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > >
> > > I'd like to help out, but I've never built software from a master
> > > before -- I
> > > guess it's about time I learned how.  I know I needed the package
> > > "make" (and
> > > installed that), but I'm not sure what other packages I might need.
> > >
> > > I got the denemo-master.tar.gz from the repository and extracted it
> > > into a
> > > temp folder.  From the README.md file I did:   $ ./autogen.sh
> > > and got the following error:
> > >  ~/temp/denemo-master$ ./autogen.sh
> > >./autogen.sh: 2: aclocal: not found
> > >
> > > The folder aclocal is in /usr/share/
> > >
> > > What should I do next?
>
> you have to install a whole bunch of stuff
>
> apt-get install guile-2.0-dev libaubio-dev portaudio19-dev libfftw3-dev 
> libgtk-3-dev libxml2-dev automake libtool libgtksourceview-3.0-dev 
> libfluidsynth-dev autoconf libsmf-dev autopoint librsvg2-dev libportmidi-dev 
> libsndfile1-dev libevince-dev librsvg2-dev librubberband-dev intltool 
> gtk-doc-tools
>
> and then
>
> ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make && ./src/denemo
>
> as above.
>
> Overnight I've been mulling this over and one thing to check is to
> export the Print View using the PDF button and then fire up your pdf
> viewer on the resultant pdf file. This should then show the links when
> hovering over a note. The default pdf viewer on my system is "atril"
> and it does show the links, but if your viewer is "evince" and does not
> show the links then that would indicate the problem is with libevince.
> Coincidentally someone submitted a patch for linking Denemo to libatril
> recently which didn't get applied because there wasn't any guarantee
> that the program would work with that alternative library (and even if
> it did, just changing the names would be pointless). It may be
> opportune to look at this again. After all, there must be some reason
> that Debian has a libatril package...
>
> Richard
>
>
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Andreas Schneider]

You can also try the nightly builds at
http://www.denemo.org/~aschneider/daily/
(download *denemo*2.5.4*.deb)

Andreas

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 10:58 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update from
> source.
> Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/hacking-
> sources/
> 
> 1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git

if you have already done that then you just need to do
git checkout master
in the directory that you git cloned to.

> 2. follow the build instructions?

then

/autogen.sh && ./configure && make

and without even installing you can run 

/src/denemo

to test it out.

see below from tar ball

> 
> Thanks,
> Lib
> 
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 02:56, Robert Lewis 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Saturday, October 23, 2021 6:15:48 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 20:14 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann  > > > s.com>
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks to both of you for your replies
> > > > > I'm confident it is the same problem: and putting all your
> > > > > information
> > > > > together I think the answer will lie in the versions of Gtk
> > > > > in use.
> > > > > If
> > > > > you can run the command
> > > > > 
> > > > > denemo --version
> > > > > 
> > > > > in a terminal for each of your configurations it may shed
> > > > > some
> > > > > light.
> > > > > I'm afraid I haven't updated my Debian distro for a good
> > > > > while (I'm
> > > > > still on Stretch I think) so it is all too possible that
> > > > > libevince
> > > > > has
> > > > > altered its behavior.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My output is as follows:
> > > > > 
> > > > > rshann@debian:~/ denemo --version
> > > > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.22.11, compiled against: 3.22.11,
> > > > 
> > > > This is the output I get:
> > > > 
> > > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.24.20, compiled against: 3.24.20,
> > > 
> > > I've not had any luck trying to find documentation for libevince,
> > > but I
> > > have put in a print out of the link that Denemo is trying to
> > > follow as
> > > received from libevince when you right click on a note in the
> > > Print
> > > View. I've put this into the repository and bumped the
> > > development
> > > version to 2.5.4
> > > If either of you could by any chance rebuild from current master
> > > with
> > > this version, right click and read the response in the terminal
> > > that
> > > should show where the trouble lies.
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > 
> > I'd like to help out, but I've never built software from a master
> > before -- I
> > guess it's about time I learned how.  I know I needed the package
> > "make" (and
> > installed that), but I'm not sure what other packages I might need.
> > 
> > I got the denemo-master.tar.gz from the repository and extracted it
> > into a
> > temp folder.  From the README.md file I did:   $ ./autogen.sh
> > and got the following error:
> >  ~/temp/denemo-master$ ./autogen.sh
> >    ./autogen.sh: 2: aclocal: not found
> > 
> > The folder aclocal is in /usr/share/
> > 
> > What should I do next?

you have to install a whole bunch of stuff 

apt-get install guile-2.0-dev libaubio-dev portaudio19-dev libfftw3-dev 
libgtk-3-dev libxml2-dev automake libtool libgtksourceview-3.0-dev 
libfluidsynth-dev autoconf libsmf-dev autopoint librsvg2-dev libportmidi-dev 
libsndfile1-dev libevince-dev librsvg2-dev librubberband-dev intltool 
gtk-doc-tools

and then

/autogen.sh && ./configure && make && ./src/denemo

as above.

Overnight I've been mulling this over and one thing to check is to
export the Print View using the PDF button and then fire up your pdf
viewer on the resultant pdf file. This should then show the links when
hovering over a note. The default pdf viewer on my system is "atril"
and it does show the links, but if your viewer is "evince" and does not
show the links then that would indicate the problem is with libevince.
Coincidentally someone submitted a patch for linking Denemo to libatril
recently which didn't get applied because there wasn't any guarantee
that the program would work with that alternative library (and even if
it did, just changing the names would be pointless). It may be
opportune to look at this again. After all, there must be some reason
that Debian has a libatril package...

Richard


> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

I can test in a few hours, but I'm not sure how to update from source.
Should I simply repeat the steps here: http://www.denemo.org/hacking-sources/

1. git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/denemo.git
2. follow the build instructions?

Thanks,
Lib

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 02:56, Robert Lewis  wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 6:15:48 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 20:14 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann 
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to both of you for your replies
> > > > I'm confident it is the same problem: and putting all your
> > > > information
> > > > together I think the answer will lie in the versions of Gtk in use.
> > > > If
> > > > you can run the command
> > > >
> > > > denemo --version
> > > >
> > > > in a terminal for each of your configurations it may shed some
> > > > light.
> > > > I'm afraid I haven't updated my Debian distro for a good while (I'm
> > > > still on Stretch I think) so it is all too possible that libevince
> > > > has
> > > > altered its behavior.
> > > >
> > > > My output is as follows:
> > > >
> > > > rshann@debian:~/ denemo --version
> > > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.22.11, compiled against: 3.22.11,
> > >
> > > This is the output I get:
> > >
> > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.24.20, compiled against: 3.24.20,
> >
> > I've not had any luck trying to find documentation for libevince, but I
> > have put in a print out of the link that Denemo is trying to follow as
> > received from libevince when you right click on a note in the Print
> > View. I've put this into the repository and bumped the development
> > version to 2.5.4
> > If either of you could by any chance rebuild from current master with
> > this version, right click and read the response in the terminal that
> > should show where the trouble lies.
> >
> > Richard
>
> I'd like to help out, but I've never built software from a master before -- I
> guess it's about time I learned how.  I know I needed the package "make" (and
> installed that), but I'm not sure what other packages I might need.
>
> I got the denemo-master.tar.gz from the repository and extracted it into a
> temp folder.  From the README.md file I did:   $ ./autogen.sh
> and got the following error:
>  ~/temp/denemo-master$ ./autogen.sh
>./autogen.sh: 2: aclocal: not found
>
> The folder aclocal is in /usr/share/
>
> What should I do next?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert
>
>
>

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 6:15:48 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 20:14 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > Thanks to both of you for your replies
> > > I'm confident it is the same problem: and putting all your
> > > information
> > > together I think the answer will lie in the versions of Gtk in use.
> > > If
> > > you can run the command
> > > 
> > > denemo --version
> > > 
> > > in a terminal for each of your configurations it may shed some
> > > light.
> > > I'm afraid I haven't updated my Debian distro for a good while (I'm
> > > still on Stretch I think) so it is all too possible that libevince
> > > has
> > > altered its behavior.
> > > 
> > > My output is as follows:
> > > 
> > > rshann@debian:~/ denemo --version
> > > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > > Gtk versions runtime: 3.22.11, compiled against: 3.22.11,
> > 
> > This is the output I get:
> > 
> > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > Gtk versions runtime: 3.24.20, compiled against: 3.24.20,
> 
> I've not had any luck trying to find documentation for libevince, but I
> have put in a print out of the link that Denemo is trying to follow as
> received from libevince when you right click on a note in the Print
> View. I've put this into the repository and bumped the development
> version to 2.5.4
> If either of you could by any chance rebuild from current master with
> this version, right click and read the response in the terminal that
> should show where the trouble lies.
> 
> Richard

I'd like to help out, but I've never built software from a master before -- I 
guess it's about time I learned how.  I know I needed the package "make" (and 
installed that), but I'm not sure what other packages I might need.

I got the denemo-master.tar.gz from the repository and extracted it into a 
temp folder.  From the README.md file I did:   $ ./autogen.sh
and got the following error:
 ~/temp/denemo-master$ ./autogen.sh
   ./autogen.sh: 2: aclocal: not found

The folder aclocal is in /usr/share/

What should I do next?

Thanks.

Robert

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 20:14 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> > Thanks to both of you for your replies
> > I'm confident it is the same problem: and putting all your
> > information
> > together I think the answer will lie in the versions of Gtk in use.
> > If
> > you can run the command
> > 
> > denemo --version
> > 
> > in a terminal for each of your configurations it may shed some
> > light.
> > I'm afraid I haven't updated my Debian distro for a good while (I'm
> > still on Stretch I think) so it is all too possible that libevince
> > has
> > altered its behavior.
> > 
> > My output is as follows:
> > 
> > rshann@debian:~/ denemo --version
> > GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> > Gtk versions runtime: 3.22.11, compiled against: 3.22.11,
> 
> This is the output I get:
> 
> GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> Gtk versions runtime: 3.24.20, compiled against: 3.24.20,

I've not had any luck trying to find documentation for libevince, but I
have put in a print out of the link that Denemo is trying to follow as
received from libevince when you right click on a note in the Print
View. I've put this into the repository and bumped the development
version to 2.5.4
If either of you could by any chance rebuild from current master with
this version, right click and read the response in the terminal that
should show where the trouble lies.

Richard

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 2:04:55 P.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 18:16, Richard Shann 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann  > > > com>
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann  > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > > > > > > nn.p
> > > > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > > > com>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Score
> > > > > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-
> > > > > > > > > > > clicked
> > > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu
> > > > > > > > > > > whereas
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0
> > > > > > > > > > (Andreas
> > > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas
> > > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you
> > > > > > > > > > described,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an
> > > > > > > > > > object.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when
> > > > > > > > > > left-
> > > > > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the
> > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away,
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > > 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 18:16, Richard Shann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann  > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann  > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > > > > > > nn.p
> > > > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > > > com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Score
> > > > > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-
> > > > > > > > > > > clicked
> > > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu
> > > > > > > > > > > whereas
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0
> > > > > > > > > > (Andreas
> > > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas
> > > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you
> > > > > > > > > > described,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an
> > > > > > > > > > object.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when
> > > > > > > > > > left-
> > > > > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the
> > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away,
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 18:16, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann  > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann  > > > > lus.
> > > > > com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > > > > > nn.p
> > > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > > com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses,
> > > > > > > > > > > Score
> > > > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-
> > > > > > > > > > clicked
> > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu
> > > > > > > > > > whereas
> > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0
> > > > > > > > > (Andreas
> > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas
> > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you
> > > > > > > > > described,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an
> > > > > > > > > object.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when
> > > > > > > > > left-
> > > > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the
> > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away,
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian
> > > > > > > > > Stretch,
> > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > only with
> > > > > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 18:16, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann  > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score
> > > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked
> > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described,
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian
> > > > > > > > Stretch,
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > only with
> > > > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > in the Print View?
> > > > > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting
> > > > > > > Scheme:
> > > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > > appear?
> > > > > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting
> > > > > > > textedit://
> > > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

Hello Richard -

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 5:36:34 A.M. ADT Richard Shann wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > Hello Richard -
> > 
> > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > Hello - 
> > > > 
> > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > 
> > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > Dynamics,
> > > > Rehearsal 
> > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives me
> > > > the
> > > > context 
> > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but
> > > > there
> > > > are no 
> > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > 
> > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on. Right-
> > > click
> > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help for
> > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you are
> > > on an
> > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu for
> > > tweaking.
> > 
> > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas Schneider's
> > .deb 
> > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the Debian
> > repository 
> > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's Bullseye
> > .deb 
> > packages.
> > 
> > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but that is
> > the only 
> > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get the
> > context 
> > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > 
> > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-clicking on a
> > note.
> > 
> > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue square on
> > > the
> > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive
> > > menu,
> > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play from
> > > that
> > > menu anyway.
> > 
> > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive menu is
> > not 
> > available.  
> > 
> > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > 
> > > so, right not left click.
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > 
> > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch, it's
> > only with 
> > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > 
> > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> 
> The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from the
> note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> 
> 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on a note
> in the Print View?
> 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme: ...)
> appear?
> 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit:// ...)
> appear? (see attached)
> 
> what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window execute
> 
> (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> 
> to get that.
> 
> If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> specified in the link and look at the line and column number indicated
> to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if you
> don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Richard
> BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those searching
> the mailing list archives can follow the thread.

Sorry for not doing a Reply to All in my previous post.

To answer your questions:

1.A. Debian Bullseye, Denemo v. 2.5.0
 A left-click give no reply
 A right-click gives the same menu when right-clicking anywhere
  (Help for Tweaks, etc)
1.B. Debian Buster, Denemo v. 2.5.3
 A left-click starts the playback, as intended

2.A. Debian Bullseye, Denemo v. 2.5.0
 The link does not appear
2.B. Debian Buster, Denemo v. 2.5.3
 The link does appear

3.A. Debian Bullseye, Denemo v. 2.5.0
 The link does not appear
3.B. Debian Buster, Denemo v. 2.5.3
 The link does appear

Debian Bullseye uses LilyPond v. 2.22
Debian Buster uses LilyPond v. 2.18

I'm attaching the two .ly files from the /tmp folder:
 for Bullseye:  denemo250printA.ly
 for Buster:  denemo253printA.ly

I've also attached the .denemo file I created in Bullseye.  I hope these files 
will help.


Robert
%% LilyPond file generated by Denemo version 2.5.0

%%http://www.gnu.org/software/denemo/

\version "2.22"

CompactChordSymbols = {}
#(define DenemoTransposeStep 0)
#(define DenemoTransposeAccidental 0)
DenemoGlobalTranspose = \void {}
titledPiece = {}
AutoBarline = {}
AutoEndMovementBarline = \bar "|."

% The music follows

MvmntIVoiceI = {
 \tempo Andante  \set Score.skipBars = ##t R1*4/4*3 %{ grouped rest %} %{ grouped rest %} \bar "||" \time 2/4  R1*2/4\AutoBarline
%5
<> ^\markup \bold {"Tempo I" } \set Score.skipBars = ##t R1*2/4*5 %{ grouped rest %} %{ grouped rest %} %{ grouped rest %} %{ grouped rest %}%10
 R1*2/4 \bar "||" \time 4/4  c1-\fermata \bar "||" 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann  > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > > > lus.
> > > > > com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score
> > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked 
> > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian
> > > > > > > Stretch,
> > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > only with
> > > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > note
> > > > > > in the Print View?
> > > > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting
> > > > > > Scheme:
> > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > appear?
> > > > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting
> > > > > > textedit://
> > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme
> > > > > > window
> > > > > > execute
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > to get that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp
> > > > > > that is
> > > > > > specified in the link and 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click
> > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size),
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive
> > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > repository
> > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > packages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > the only
> > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > context
> > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > note.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can
> > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > available.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch,
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > only with
> > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > >
> > > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from
> > > > > the
> > > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on
> > > > > a
> > > > > note
> > > > > in the Print View?
> > > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme:
> > > > > ...)
> > > > > appear?
> > > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > > > > ...)
> > > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > >
> > > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > > > > execute
> > > > >
> > > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > >
> > > > > to get that.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > > > > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > > > > indicated
> > > > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if
> > > > > you
> > > > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > > > > searching
> > > > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> > > >
> > > > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed
> > > > from
> > > > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running
> > > > in
> > > > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > > > If it helps, here's my results.
> > 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click
> > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size),
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > click
> > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > on an
> > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > .deb
> > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > > > Debian
> > > > > repository
> > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > .deb
> > > > > packages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but
> > > > > that
> > > > > is
> > > > > the only
> > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get
> > > > > the
> > > > > context
> > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > clicking on
> > > > > a
> > > > > note.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > > > square on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can
> > > > > > play
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive
> > > > > menu
> > > > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > available.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > 
> > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch,
> > > > > it's
> > > > > only with
> > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > 
> > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from
> > > > the
> > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > 
> > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on
> > > > a
> > > > note
> > > > in the Print View?
> > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme:
> > > > ...)
> > > > appear?
> > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > > > ...)
> > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > 
> > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > > > execute
> > > > 
> > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > 
> > > > to get that.
> > > > 
> > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > > > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > > > indicated
> > > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if
> > > > you
> > > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > > > 
> > > > HTH
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > > > searching
> > > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> > > 
> > > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed
> > > from
> > > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running
> > > in
> > > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > > If it helps, here's my results.
> > > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal
> > > shows
> > > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child
> > > process
> > > exited with code 1
> > > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> > > correctly.
> > > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > > 3. Yes, I got a 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > Hello Richard -
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > context
> > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > are no
> > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > >
> > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > > Right-
> > > > > click
> > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help
> > > > > for
> > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you
> > > > > are
> > > > > on an
> > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu
> > > > > for
> > > > > tweaking.
> > > >
> > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > Schneider's
> > > > .deb
> > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > > Debian
> > > > repository
> > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's Bullseye
> > > > .deb
> > > > packages.
> > > >
> > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but that
> > > > is
> > > > the only
> > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get the
> > > > context
> > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > >
> > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-clicking on
> > > > a
> > > > note.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > > square on
> > > > > the
> > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive
> > > > > menu,
> > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play
> > > > > from
> > > > > that
> > > > > menu anyway.
> > > >
> > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive menu
> > > > is
> > > > not
> > > > available.
> > > > >
> > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch, it's
> > > > only with
> > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > >
> > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > >
> > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from the
> > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > >
> > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on a
> > > note
> > > in the Print View?
> > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme: ...)
> > > appear?
> > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > > ...)
> > > appear? (see attached)
> > >
> > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > > execute
> > >
> > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > >
> > > to get that.
> > >
> > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > > indicated
> > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if you
> > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > > searching
> > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> >
> > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed from
> > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running in
> > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > If it helps, here's my results.
> > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal shows
> > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child process
> > exited with code 1
> > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> > correctly.
> > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > 3. Yes, I got a link.
> > 4. In the Denemo print view
>
> ??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?

No, I meant the position number Denemo print view's link  vs. the
position number that I got by opening the .ly file in the /tmp folder
(opened with Frescobaldi).

>
> >  my first note is at position 10, while
> > when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position 0, i.e.
> > 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
> Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A file  created
> with
>
> (d-New)
> (d-C)
>
> would be ideal).

See attached the 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > Hello Richard -
> > > 
> > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > Hello -
> > > > > 
> > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > 
> > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives
> > > > > me
> > > > > the
> > > > > context
> > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but
> > > > > there
> > > > > are no
> > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > 
> > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > Right-
> > > > click
> > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help
> > > > for
> > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you
> > > > are
> > > > on an
> > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu
> > > > for
> > > > tweaking.
> > > 
> > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > Schneider's
> > > .deb
> > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > Debian
> > > repository
> > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's Bullseye
> > > .deb
> > > packages.
> > > 
> > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but that
> > > is
> > > the only
> > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get the
> > > context
> > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > 
> > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-clicking on
> > > a
> > > note.
> > > > 
> > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > square on
> > > > the
> > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive
> > > > menu,
> > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play
> > > > from
> > > > that
> > > > menu anyway.
> > > 
> > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive menu
> > > is
> > > not
> > > available.
> > > > 
> > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > 
> > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch, it's
> > > only with
> > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > 
> > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > 
> > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from the
> > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > 
> > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on a
> > note
> > in the Print View?
> > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme: ...)
> > appear?
> > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > ...)
> > appear? (see attached)
> > 
> > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > execute
> > 
> > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > 
> > to get that.
> > 
> > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > indicated
> > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if you
> > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Richard
> > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > searching
> > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> 
> Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed from
> source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running in
> VirtualBox on a Mac.
> If it helps, here's my results.
> 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal shows
> 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child process
> exited with code 1
> Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> correctly.
> 2. Yes, the link appears.
> 3. Yes, I got a link.
> 4. In the Denemo print view

??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?

>  my first note is at position 10, while
> when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position 0, i.e.
> 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A file  created
with

(d-New)
(d-C)

would be ideal).

If I copy and paste the relevant bit of the LilyPond view I get this:

MvmntIVoiceI = {
 c'4 \AutoEndMovementBarline
}

where you see 9 spaces appear before the note name c'4
One of these is actually a special character - an anchor - that appears
in the LilyPond view as a gray square, the other 8 are inserted by
Denemo at the start of each measure. This code is unconditional, so
there should be no way(*) that the first note name in a bar could
appear in column 0. (TAB characters are 

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > Hello Richard -
> >
> > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > Hello -
> > > >
> > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > >
> > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > Dynamics,
> > > > Rehearsal
> > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives me
> > > > the
> > > > context
> > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but
> > > > there
> > > > are no
> > > > prompts when I left-click
> > >
> > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on. Right-
> > > click
> > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help for
> > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you are
> > > on an
> > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu for
> > > tweaking.
> >
> > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas Schneider's
> > .deb
> > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the Debian
> > repository
> > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's Bullseye
> > .deb
> > packages.
> >
> > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but that is
> > the only
> > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get the
> > context
> > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> >
> > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-clicking on a
> > note.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue square on
> > > the
> > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive
> > > menu,
> > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play from
> > > that
> > > menu anyway.
> >
> > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive menu is
> > not
> > available.
> > >
> > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > so, right not left click.
> > >
> > > Richard
> >
> > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch, it's
> > only with
> > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> >
> > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
>
> The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from the
> note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
>
> 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on a note
> in the Print View?
> 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme: ...)
> appear?
> 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit:// ...)
> appear? (see attached)
>
> what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window execute
>
> (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
>
> to get that.
>
> If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> specified in the link and look at the line and column number indicated
> to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if you
> don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
>
> HTH
>
> Richard
> BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those searching
> the mailing list archives can follow the thread.

Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed from
source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running in
VirtualBox on a Mac.
If it helps, here's my results.
1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal shows
'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child process
exited with code 1
Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates correctly.
2. Yes, the link appears.
3. Yes, I got a link.
4. In the Denemo print view my first note is at position 10, while
when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position 0, i.e.
21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
Cheers,
Lib

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> Hello Richard -
> 
> On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > Hello - 
> > > 
> > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > 
> > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > Dynamics,
> > > Rehearsal 
> > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives me
> > > the
> > > context 
> > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but
> > > there
> > > are no 
> > > prompts when I left-click
> > 
> > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on. Right-
> > click
> > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help for
> > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you are
> > on an
> > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu for
> > tweaking.
> 
> That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas Schneider's
> .deb 
> packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the Debian
> repository 
> for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's Bullseye
> .deb 
> packages.
> 
> Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but that is
> the only 
> menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get the
> context 
> sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> 
> Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-clicking on a
> note.
> > 
> > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue square on
> > the
> > object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive
> > menu,
> > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play from
> > that
> > menu anyway.
> 
> The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive menu is
> not 
> available.  
> > 
> > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > so, right not left click.
> > 
> > Richard
> 
> Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch, it's
> only with 
> .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> 
> Any other suggestions or recommendations?

The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from the
note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.

1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on a note
in the Print View? 
2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme: ...)
appear?
3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit:// ...)
appear? (see attached)

what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window execute

(d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))

to get that.

If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
specified in the link and look at the line and column number indicated
to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if you
don't read LilyPond syntax at all).

HTH

Richard
BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those searching
the mailing list archives can follow the thread.

Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> Hello - 
> 
> OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> 
> In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations, Dynamics,
> Rehearsal 
> Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives me the
> context 
> menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but there
> are no 
> prompts when I left-click

left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on. Right-click 
gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help for
Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you are on an
object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu for
tweaking.

Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue square on the
object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive menu,
rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play from that
menu anyway.

>  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> 
> Any suggestions?

so, right not left click.

Richard

Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Robert Lewis]

Hello - 

OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository

In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations, Dynamics, Rehearsal 
Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives me the context 
menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but there are no 
prompts when I left-click on the object when the hand pointer appears.

Any suggestions?

Regards,
Robert