[libreoffice-design] Re: Work Topic "Finalize and Publish Product Artwork" etc.
Christoph Noack wrote: > several times, I've mentioned the update of the artwork for the final > LibreOffice release. I finally managed to invest some time to export the > graphics and to upload the data to the wiki. It is currently > (temporarily) located in the work items list ... > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items#Work_Items > Hi Chris, wow, quite timely - today we pondered rc dates in the engineering call, and aim for going directly to rc1 (i.e. no extra betas anymore). Gimme a shout when this is ~final (small adjustments are of course always possible). What was the timeline again for the mimetype icons? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Christoph, Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, I already decided to go to bed ... so just a few thoughts. Me too ;-) Am Donnerstag, den 25.11.2010, 23:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: Ivan, Christoph, everybody else: Do you have an other / better proposal we can agree upon during the next hours ? You proposals look fine for me. But, do we really need additional colors for less used applications / files like Math, Macros, HTML, Global Documents, ... Wouldn't it be better to use a neutral gray (and only for those icons)? As Math seems to be an independent application (with it's own file extension) I thought it would be necessary. Same for Chart documents. But these thoughts derive from the Galaxy icons - I don't mind at all, if we stay grey/neutral with all of the less used icons. In contrast to the ODF approach, this would even help to better identify the "real" documents. And, it would also reduce the amount of initial work to be spent. The only question to me is, whether we want to use the "original" Document Symbol for that. The branding guidelines currently state to not modify the document symbol - so maybe changing the "edge" back to mimic a default icon? The "empty corner" idea was only meant for template icons - document and application icons should have the "filled corner" as the default icons. I thought it would be an easy approach to differentiate between documents and templates while keeping the branding language. But you might be right that this could be regarded as "allowed modification to the symbol" for other use-cases too. I'm indecisive at the moment - it depends on how we modify the main part of the icons... And of course: Thank you both! It seems that you both don't need any sleep ;-) I definitely do! Good night! Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Bernhard, I already decided to go to bed ... so just a few thoughts. Am Donnerstag, den 25.11.2010, 23:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > Ivan, Christoph, everybody else: Do you have an other / better > proposal we can agree upon during the next hours ? You proposals look fine for me. But, do we really need additional colors for less used applications / files like Math, Macros, HTML, Global Documents, ... Wouldn't it be better to use a neutral gray (and only for those icons)? In contrast to the ODF approach, this would even help to better identify the "real" documents. And, it would also reduce the amount of initial work to be spent. The only question to me is, whether we want to use the "original" Document Symbol for that. The branding guidelines currently state to not modify the document symbol - so maybe changing the "edge" back to mimic a default icon? And of course: Thank you both! It seems that you both don't need any sleep ;-) Good night! Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Work Topic "Finalize and Publish Product Artwork" etc.
Hi Christoph, Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi all, several times, I've mentioned the update of the artwork for the final LibreOffice release. I finally managed to invest some time to export the graphics and to upload the data to the wiki. Great! Thank you! It is currently (temporarily) located in the work items list ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items#Work_Items Please note: > * The documents have not yet been sent to the development. If nobody vetoes, we may do this tomorrow or the day after. I don't veto: +1 from me :-) * I felt free to add the BrOffice branding elements as well. These are not yet "confirmed" by the BrOffice guys. The different size of the logo text required some slight changes in comparison to the LibreOffice stuff. Since (at least) I missed a proper location, I've created a Design page and added some stuff I've sent to the marketing list some days ago. Since nobody strongly disagreed (until now), I hope it is acceptable for a first start. Okay? I also created a simple "Design" category in the wiki. Thanks again for this work. Some day we will have to move the design content from marketing over there, but at the moment there are other tasks much more pressing. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:Design Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Going to bed now - if anybody wants to use what I started to work on, here is the SVG source file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Bedipp/Drafts Bernhard Dippold schrieb: [...] As an easy approach I'd just remove the filling of the colored corner for templates. That's what I did by now - and used the present branding colors, added Blue3 for Math and a dark green for Chart documents/templates. I imagine some kind of inverted filling of the icons (becoming lighter in general) - perhaps with inverted symbols too... Fell free to use my work as a basis for yours, or Ivan's (if he could share his sources - I don't want to recreate the symbols being simple and recognizable). We should have a basic design tomorrow or at least on Saturday in order to create the different sizes (and perhaps high contrast icons too). Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Work Topic "Finalize and Publish Product Artwork" etc.
Hi all, several times, I've mentioned the update of the artwork for the final LibreOffice release. I finally managed to invest some time to export the graphics and to upload the data to the wiki. It is currently (temporarily) located in the work items list ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items#Work_Items Please note: * The documents have not yet been sent to the development. If nobody vetoes, we may do this tomorrow or the day after. * I felt free to add the BrOffice branding elements as well. These are not yet "confirmed" by the BrOffice guys. The different size of the logo text required some slight changes in comparison to the LibreOffice stuff. Since (at least) I missed a proper location, I've created a Design page and added some stuff I've sent to the marketing list some days ago. Since nobody strongly disagreed (until now), I hope it is acceptable for a first start. Okay? I also created a simple "Design" category in the wiki. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:Design It somehow feels good to see (at least) some progress :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Ivan, Thorsten, * Ivan M. schrieb: Hi Thorsten, Christoph, all, On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: [...] Hi Chris, all, hm, slightly disconnected from the whole icon topic - what's the scope, surely not a complete icon set? If this is only about some 10-20 icons, and you folks are quick, that could be doable - I've heard other people asking for another beta, too. So let's speak about a few days (until Monday or Tuesday?) - would integration will be possible? I don't know about Ivan's time, but I would spend any time I can afford, because I think this is one of the most visible areas of LibreOffice at all. The scope would involve mimetype (file) icons - 28 in total according to [1]... of course, with at least half a dozen sizes per icon, that number escalates a bit. Even if the different sizes would be good to be crafted one by one, it is more important that we have them at all. I think we should have 16x16 and 32x32 created pixel-wise, while larger icons can be exported from the same SVG source. In short, it involves new icons for applications, documents and templates. So (presumably) there'd be 3 different designs (one design for applications, one for documents, and one for templates) In my eyes all the three icons should be based on a common design. As already mentioned, I like Ivan's second draft best, because it uses the graphical elements of the initial branding without introducing anything different or new. What I'd like to see is: The icons should get the shading of the new logo (and their corners should be rounded as in the logo) and get the official branding colors. We need to find a color scheme for the Math icon and the Chart document icon. For Math Blue3 might be a possibility, but I don't think that this would work very well. Probably we need to define different colors for both icons. With regards to application, document and template icons: Is it really necessary to have a different icon set for the applications and the "normal" documents? Both open the same application - the one with a document name just starts with an open document. If we could start with the same icons for application and document, we would only need to differ between document and template icons (this seems to be a more important difference to me). As an easy approach I'd just remove the filling of the colored corner for templates. For future icons a much more detailed and sophisticated approach could be chosen. But for the time being we definitively need the work done - not to discuss the best possible approach for several days or weeks... Ivan, Christoph, everybody else: Do you have an other / better proposal we can agree upon during the next hours ? Ivan: Could you upload the sources (perhaps already with the shading integrated?) so that we can share the work on the icons among several people? Who would be interested to do a piece of the work (I think Inkscape would be the source for larger icons, Inkscape or GIMP for the 32x32 and 16x16 ones)? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] "LibreOffice Menta" Design proposal
Le 2010-11-24 18:28, Christoph Noack a écrit : > >* Editorial Content > >* Text like "I need help" may be true, but only few users > > want to hear that they are helpless:-) > > > jejeje :P > > > >* The "I ..." have been a matter of debate for a long time > > on the OOo website. The "I ..." doesn't add value and > > doesn't help to feel "part of the community". > > > Graham Lauder gave us that suggestion and the text was changed for 1.20. I > really don't care, my English is not good enough to make some kind of > suggestion on this :P Oh, it is just about the "I whatever ..." misses a bit value to be repeated several times. Today, many pages try to state as compact as possible what the item is about (especially if there is further explanation next to it). For example, the "I need help" might be "Get support". Oh, great think, Ubuntu does the same;-) I will comment on this. These points were taken up in a very short internal debate (Web Dev. Team) during the initial creation/design of the LO frontpage. In this short discussion, Graham posted the following 2 links to support his reasoning behind developing a simple page as well as simple choice options. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:Website/Proposals http://www.mail-archive.com/d...@website.openoffice.org/msg02943.html After consideration, here are some of my thoughts: As an teacher for younger students/young adults (grades 4-8 Canada), as well as previous school board consultant (local French school board) for Math, Science and Technology, my greatest success is/has always when I use the principles of "keeping it as simple as possible"(KISS -- "keep it simple and straightforward"). Then the overall effect is that you will get a larger amount of success than if you add more distracting elements in your teaching material. The unfortunate reality is that, the simpler your presentation is made to the masses the greater your rate of satisfaction. I also agree with Graham, that making the user responsible (or at least give her/him the ownership) for the decision making process works best. We, teachers, are always encouraged to enable students to arrive at a solution by making the problem their own and encouraging the "I will ..." ; "I need ..."; "I should ...". This is one of the attributes of good teaching, making the student/person take ownership of their actions. The success rate will always be greater this way. We should then take a closer look at the type of website we would like to show the public at their first arrival. Should the site be a product site in composition or should it be a community site? Is there a way to blend these two? All three of these choices may produce different outcomes. If at all possible the third of these choices, that of a community blend, would seem to be the most appropriate at this point. We would like to announce to the world that there is a new community called LibreOffice and we are offering out office suite distribution to all who wish to use it. Emphasis should be placed more on the new user who's main intent is to download the suite and to either test or use for their own personal reasons. If the this third option is adopted, then presumably, we would like the user to download in the shortest amount of time possible and this, without too many distractions. We should make the new user feel at home and in control of her/his choices. By using the " I ... statements" we further reinforce to the new user that they are making a conscious and deliberate choice. If however, we offer new users such formulated statements as "For download choose ... " or "Download here" or "Download" etc. the user frame of mind is no longer that of a person in charge of her/his choice, but a person for whom the website has taken choices away from the user and is leading her/him in the decision making process. At the very outset, this formulation of statements has diminished the user empowerment of choice. I also agree that the frontpage needs space. Space on webpages, from a user point of view, will often offer breathing room for that particular user to digest the information on that page. Just some thoughts. -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] About Vegur
Hi I just noticed that Vegur does not have accented caracters. ã, õ, é, í, ç etc... Sad... -- Olivier Hallot Steering Commitee The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Product Artwork (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Roadmap - More structure, please!)
Hi Thorsten, Christoph, all, On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > [...] > Hi Chris, all, > > hm, slightly disconnected from the whole icon topic - what's the > scope, surely not a complete icon set? If this is only about some > 10-20 icons, and you folks are quick, that could be doable - I've > heard other people asking for another beta, too. The scope would involve mimetype (file) icons - 28 in total according to [1]... of course, with at least half a dozen sizes per icon, that number escalates a bit. In short, it involves new icons for applications, documents and templates. So (presumably) there'd be 3 different designs (one design for applications, one for documents, and one for templates) and the only thing that would differ between the different icons under each design would be the color, application icon and size. The design part wouldn't be hard, it'd just be a somewhat mechanical process to create all the variations. At least, that's how it goes in theory :) Regards, Ivan. [1] http://ui.openoffice.org/nonav/VisualDesign/OOo30MimeType.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
