Re: [libreoffice-design] [proposal] Dark application background
I pretty much got the what it said but if it will help other people who read this. but it is not that hard to use translate. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: If needed, I can translate the text and reupload the image. My German's not fantastic but there's nothing out of my range on this screenie. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote: maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png wow this is grate, I don't know what it all says but thank you Google translate. so would you click the drop down bar that says Application Backg... and choose things like page color, margin outline color ect. And the general would be things like, Tool Bars, Headers, Footers, and other things. its better than what I was imagined when it was suggested. I think that the second option is good. It makes it so that you can select exactly what you would want. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: Ich finde dass ziemlich super! Und deine Emglisch ist auch ganz gut. ;) Okay, now that we've established that my Grammatik is not up to snuff, your mockup looks really good. I'm not entirely sold on the second row (General Application Background), but it's clear and useful. I am surprised that you didn't find it-- even in German, I found the option relatively quickly. Then again, I had prior knowledge and some German to help. But the options dialogue as a whole could really use some love. Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Alex B list.3...@yahoo.de wrote: Since i'm using OOo/libO for almost 2 years now, and never found the option to change the application background color, this can mean two things: I. Something is wrong with me. II. Something is wrong with the options dialog. (in my defence, it's way harder to find in german, than in english) I took a deeper look at the options dialog and i must say, it's quite confusing sometimes, but thats an other topic. I think, the whole apperance options would be easier to use if: - The apperance dialog is more prominent. - A view color schemes are included in the default installation. - There is a small live-preview. maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png And while I agree that it's not an art program, it's also fair to make this comparison considering how many colors are offered in the LibreOffice options dialogue. We can deal with dropdown menus for changing font colors since most people use a limited selection anyway (of course, with a Shore More . . . along the way), but there must be over a hundred offered in those dropdown lists. -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote: this is not a Art program. but I see what you mean, palates are grate. I am working on a new UI right now, and will be uploading my ideas in a few days... or maybe tomorrow. hope to get some feed back from everyone. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdeba...@gmail.com)wrote: I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read this. but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to understand. probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole thing. Definitely. I don't see dropdown lists as being an ideal means of picking a color for a multitude of reasons. 1) There are a lot of colors, and scrolling through a long list is tedious. 2) You can only see a small selection at any given time, making it harder to compare two colors. 3) It's difficult to guess where the colors are, as they're in no real logical order for the end user. 4) Lack of customization. 5) It's just not the right interface. Art programs use palates for a reason. -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote: I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read this. but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to understand. probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole thing. For all the user cares, a simplified image just showing the page, the general toolbar area, and so on would probably be sufficient I think that this is a good idea we could make different pages for what colors the user is choosing at that time. so when the user is choosing the page Header and page Footer it shows them what they will
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform with Linux's Standard Command Button Layout
I agree with what you're saying, but I think people tend to be at least somewhat more cautious in an office program and after one or two mishaps with the okay button (save all before closing, anyone?) people learn. We shouldn't really be trying to protect the user from themselves, and most seem to get along fine the way it is (verbs anyway, not that I disagree with this). On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.comwrote: say what you want about what order of the buttons but the more important thing is weather the user understands what the buttons mean. Lukas Mathis writes an exigent blog(ignorethecode.net) about UI and UX (even though he does not call it UX) and what to and not to do when making your UI's. He wrote a blog post http://ignorethecode.net/blognobody-reads/ http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2008/10/31/nobody-reads/ about how people do not read dialog boxes. He says that most people just click ok because it what they always click and nothing bad happens. he says to use verbs instead of using ok and cancel use save and discard. Now I can see that we do this as nick has given the examples of what the order each OS. I just thought that this was a grate blog and that I would tell people about it. there are many other useful tips on there that would help with making LibreOffice. ignore the code On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: We shouldn't forget that LibreOffice is a cross-platform program and that we may also want to consider that people will expect similar behavior from the program no matter where they're running it. On the other hand, the order of the buttons really doesn't seem like it would be hard to implement. Maybe obey system defaults and have an option to rearrange? -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, nick rundy wrote: LibreOffice presently uses a Microsoft Windows command button layout in its Dialog windows even when installed on a Linux distribution. Linux installations of LibreOffice should conform with the command button layout that is standard with virtually all other linux applications. For example, MS Windows displays OK Cancel. Linux displays Cancel OK. I've uploaded some screenshots to illustrate what I'm describing ( http://imgur.com/a/Tmmn1#X7ym4). Notice how the screen shots conform with how MS Windows lays out its command buttons instead of how Linux applications display them? MS Windows: Save Discard CancelGNU-Linux: Cancel Discard Save MS Windows: OK Cancel Help ResetGNU-Linux: Reset Help Cancel OK -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org (mailto: design+h...@global.libreoffice.org) Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate Camp Co-Captain Thomas Jefferson Policy Debate Team --The Gunboat Debater-- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform with Linux's Standard Command Button Layout
Hi Christopher, hi Nick! Nick, thanks for your feedback - and I don't know whether this helps or not, but it is a known issue for some years now. Unfortunately, changing that (in a way that it makes real sense) requires to use something called Layout Manager, so that we can switch button orders depending on the platform. At least, I've documented that some time ago in the Design Team's What We Need list: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#LibreOffice_Technical_Basis The last time I talked about that with some developers was at the Fosdem in February - the work seems a bit stalled at the moment (or let's say: nobody actively picked that topic). So if anybody wants to work on / advertise that topic - highly appreciated. Am Freitag, den 15.07.2011, 21:06 -0400 schrieb Christopher Lee: We shouldn't forget that LibreOffice is a cross-platform program and that we may also want to consider that people will expect similar behavior from the program no matter where they're running it. On the other hand, the order of the buttons really doesn't seem like it would be hard to implement. Maybe obey system defaults and have an option to rearrange? Christopher, I noticed several times that you wrote something like doesn't seem ... hard to implement where it is - in fact - hard work. So although I don't know if you are a developer working on LibreOffice (by the way, I'm not a programmer), we should ask on the dev list for such effort estimations. I this recent case, it's almost no problem to change the button order for one dialog - but the issue is that we do have hundreds of them hard-coded. Cheers, Christoph -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, nick rundy wrote: LibreOffice presently uses a Microsoft Windows command button layout in its Dialog windows even when installed on a Linux distribution. Linux installations of LibreOffice should conform with the command button layout that is standard with virtually all other linux applications. For example, MS Windows displays OK Cancel. Linux displays Cancel OK. I've uploaded some screenshots to illustrate what I'm describing (http://imgur.com/a/Tmmn1#X7ym4). Notice how the screen shots conform with how MS Windows lays out its command buttons instead of how Linux applications display them? MS Windows: Save Discard CancelGNU-Linux: Cancel Discard Save MS Windows: OK Cancel Help ResetGNU-Linux: Reset Help Cancel OK -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org (mailto:design+h...@global.libreoffice.org) Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [proposal] Dark application background
i translated it, and added a screenshot of the old dialog, so you can see what would be the changes. http://http://i.imgur.com/zhZSv.png the idea is, that you first select in general what you want to change (General, HTML Document, Spreadsheet etc.) from the the drop down menu and than you choose the specific part whom's color you want to change. so if you want to change the application background, you would select General » Application background. If you wan to change the color of the keyword highlighting, you select HTML Document » Keyword highlighting and select a color. A color-picker like this would also be nice for adding colors or other color-dialogs in LibO, i think im going to create a wiki page about this topic. I pretty much got the what it said but if it will help other people who read this. but it is not that hard to use translate. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: If needed, I can translate the text and reupload the image. My German's not fantastic but there's nothing out of my range on this screenie. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote: maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png wow this is grate, I don't know what it all says but thank you Google translate. so would you click the drop down bar that says Application Backg... and choose things like page color, margin outline color ect. And the general would be things like, Tool Bars, Headers, Footers, and other things. its better than what I was imagined when it was suggested. I think that the second option is good. It makes it so that you can select exactly what you would want. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: Ich finde dass ziemlich super! Und deine Emglisch ist auch ganz gut. ;) Okay, now that we've established that my Grammatik is not up to snuff, your mockup looks really good. I'm not entirely sold on the second row (General Application Background), but it's clear and useful. I am surprised that you didn't find it-- even in German, I found the option relatively quickly. Then again, I had prior knowledge and some German to help. But the options dialogue as a whole could really use some love. Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Alex B list.3...@yahoo.de wrote: Since i'm using OOo/libO for almost 2 years now, and never found the option to change the application background color, this can mean two things: I. Something is wrong with me. II. Something is wrong with the options dialog. (in my defence, it's way harder to find in german, than in english) I took a deeper look at the options dialog and i must say, it's quite confusing sometimes, but thats an other topic. I think, the whole apperance options would be easier to use if: - The apperance dialog is more prominent. - A view color schemes are included in the default installation. - There is a small live-preview. maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png And while I agree that it's not an art program, it's also fair to make this comparison considering how many colors are offered in the LibreOffice options dialogue. We can deal with dropdown menus for changing font colors since most people use a limited selection anyway (of course, with a Shore More . . . along the way), but there must be over a hundred offered in those dropdown lists. -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote: this is not a Art program. but I see what you mean, palates are grate. I am working on a new UI right now, and will be uploading my ideas in a few days... or maybe tomorrow. hope to get some feed back from everyone. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdeba...@gmail.com)wrote: I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read this. but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to understand. probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole thing. Definitely. I don't see dropdown lists as being an ideal means of picking a color for a multitude of reasons. 1) There are a lot of colors, and scrolling through a long list is tedious. 2) You can only see a small selection at any given time, making it harder to compare two colors. 3) It's difficult to guess where the colors are, as they're in no real logical order for the end user. 4) Lack of customization. 5) It's just not the right interface. Art programs use palates for a
[libreoffice-design] Question about UI plans
I just asked myself, if there are any plans for a new UI? I saw several really good mockups over the past view months, but i found nothing tangible in the wiki. There are several small proposals and improvements wich could be get discarded if a new UI is implemented. So are there any designers/programmers out there actually working on a new UI? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] merge Print Layout pages
Hi Nick! Am Samstag, den 09.07.2011, 10:23 -0400 schrieb nick rundy: If I understand you correctly, you are proposing to keep Print Layout how it is and instead add a new view-layout called Draft Layout. And this Draft Layout would merge the ends and beginnings of pages together like the pic I uploaded to imgur illustrates? If I understand this correctly, the Draft Layout sounds like a great solution. I'm a bit late, but hey, I've updated the issue: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39080 But I would kindly suggest adding a setting that lets users set Draft Layout as the default layout that Writer displays when it is opened. So when I open Writer to begin a document, Draft Layout is the view that is selected by default. I would have to manually change it if I wanted Print Layout or Web Layout. Does this make sense? It makes sense, of course - but how this might be implemented, let's see if somebody is interested to work on that. So, thanks for the idea! Cheers, Christoph Subject: RE: [libreoffice-design] merge Print Layout pages From: christ...@dogmatux.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:39:37 +0200 Hi all, just a short comment, since I once analyzed some of the today available views in Writer (during the OOo UX times). I think that the enhancement request is just a half-way solution that just adds some more complexity to Writer without solving the real issue. For example, even Microsoft changed the behavior from 2003 to 2007 and made this feature more hidden. I assume they wanted to completely remove it, but feared the feedback by the existing user base. My take: The enhancement request should target a real Draft view, which considers page breaks and the width of the real pages without showing the borders etc. This would also solve a lot of other issues in this area ... not only one. But, this is really tough work - I omit all the details, but I talked with one of the Devs during the FOSDEM and I got some introduction in the internal issues of the Writer structure (there, we talked about an outline view). Do you agree somehow? If yes, I'd like to rewrite the enhancement request. Cheers, Christoph Am Freitag, den 08.07.2011, 17:26 -0400 schrieb nick rundy: thanks Sigrid here's my enhancement request: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39080 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 23:05:17 +0200 From: sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] merge Print Layout pages Hi Nick, On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:46:03 -0400 nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com wrote: can you please provide the link to the bugzilla specific site that deals with LibreOffice? I will create my own bug. Thanks Sure, you'll find bugzilla here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/ You need to select LibreOffice as product. This bugzilla is shared between many different projects. HTH Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Question about UI plans
Hi Alex, I try to answer, although other guys here might have a different opinion. Am Samstag, den 16.07.2011, 14:51 +0100 schrieb Alex B: I just asked myself, if there are any plans for a new UI? What is a new UI? If it is improvements to the current one, then, yes, some people are working on that. These changes might lead to something users might perceive as new. If you think about something like Calligra, Microsoft Office, ... then no. I saw several really good mockups over the past view months, but i found nothing tangible in the wiki. What is a good mockup? To me, it does not only need to look user friendly and efficient - it has to prove that for many different use cases. Since LibreOffice is a very complex piece of software, that's harder to achieve than users might be aware ... but I consider those single mockups a great resource for brainstorming - to set the major goals. There are several small proposals and improvements wich could be get discarded if a new UI is implemented. Nope - not from my point-of-view. Two thing we've learned (the hard way) in Renaissance [1] are: * A major UI revamp needs *lots* of resources, so users might wait for a looong time until they see any improvement. Small improvements help to learn what works (and what not) and to show the users that something is goin on. * The small improvements are mostly tied to workflow refinement. Thus, they are the basis for an improved interaction concept (I'm not only talking about the UI, the visual communication layer) - otherwise you'll end up to transform inconsistency/redundancy of the today's UI into a new one. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance So are there any designers/programmers out there actually working on a new UI? That's something others need to answer :-) Personally, I'm working on some small bits and pieces at the moment. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform with Linux's Standard Command Button Layout
@RGB ES: Yes, you are absolutely right, I was referring to GNOME. I apologize for my oversight. I point out the command button layout issue because of what I have seen, which has already been brought up in the discussion. People tend to develop a rote mentality of clicking an area. I often find myself (because I'm used to working on GNOME) moving to the right corner of dialog windows to click OK only to realize last second (while using LibreOffice) that OK is positioned like it is in KDE/Windows. Of course KDE and MS-Windows users automatically will move to the left to select OK because they are conditioned for it. If changing this layout is a complicated matter Coding-Wise or resources would be better allotted to working on other projects (e.g., I'd rather see bug 39080 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39080 implemented than the command button layout issue I'm speaking of here), then I urge you guys to make that call. But if its not a big headache and other people feel it is important enough to work on, I think conforming the dialog boxes to the standard button layout of the desktop (i.e., KDE/Windows, Mac/GNOME) adds to the integration and seamlessness of the LibreOffice UI. Ultimately I just intended for my e-mail to bring this issue to people's attention so there's awareness of it and the powers that be can make a decision on it. :) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:27:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform with Linux's Standard Command Button Layout From: rgb.m...@gmail.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org 2011/7/16 nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com: LibreOffice presently uses a Microsoft Windows command button layout in its Dialog windows even when installed on a Linux distribution. Linux installations of LibreOffice should conform with the command button layout that is standard with virtually all other linux applications. For example, MS Windows displays OK Cancel. Linux displays Cancel OK. I've uploaded some screenshots to illustrate what I'm describing (http://imgur.com/a/Tmmn1#X7ym4). Notice how the screen shots conform with how MS Windows lays out its command buttons instead of how Linux applications display them? MS Windows:Save Discard CancelGNU-Linux: Cancel Discard Save MS Windows: OK Cancel Help ResetGNU-Linux:Reset Help Cancel OK You are talking about gnome, don't you? Other desktop environments have different layouts so there is no GNU/Linux standard. As an example, KDE config dialogues have: [Help], Predefined, [Undo], (space), Accept, Apply, Cancel (those between square brackets are not always present) Unless you build a specific UI for each DE available (gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, e17...), you will always annoy someone! ;) Please, remember that the Linux world do not end at Ubuntu's gnome version. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Question about UI plans
Hi Alex, all, Alex B schrieb: I just asked myself, if there are any plans for a new UI? In addition to Christoph's reply: Many people are interested in improving the UI - your comment below describes part of their work. I saw several really good mockups over the past view months, but i found nothing tangible in the wiki. There are several small proposals and improvements wich could be get discarded if a new UI is implemented. But like Christoph mentioned: A general UI overhaul will not only have advantages. Main point is: We need developers to work on such a major modification - and they need lot of time and dedication to struggle their way through the code. With a paid staff, this would probably work quite well, but based on the volunteer status of our developers I would propose a different approach: 1) split the design mockups in bits and pieces (and find out that some of these bits are part of several mockups) 2) define the improvements we would like to be implemented first. In my eyes this is docking/undocking behavior for windows and toolbars (including menus): With such a feature most of the different opinions on context sensitive menus would be handled quite easily by extensions for different target groups. 3) find developers to work on these features (as these are just single areas, the coding effort should be much less than on a general new design). 4) ship LibreOffice with improved UI with (nearly) every new version - leading to the general overhaul in quite the same time as a one-step-solution (or even faster, if the other way would lack developers) and allowing our present users to get accustomed to the improvements. 5) work on improving LibreOffice's theme handling and design extension handling in a parallel action - this would allow to create different UIs for different purposes, if someone would code such an extensions. So are there any designers/programmers out there actually working on a new UI? I already started with point 1 on a dedicated wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/UI_Elements Feel free to improve my example element (vertical tabs) by pointing to the different mockups containing such an element, adding an image or including your comment - but you can add your proposals and ideas too! If you pr somebody else would volunteer to have an eye on the evolution of this page and the action based on it, this would be great! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] adding more content to the Paris conference pages
Hi, On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:47 AM, David Nelson li...@traduction.biz wrote: Basically I re-worked some of the beautiful artwork that Paulo Souza de Lima produced for the original challenge. Actually, I think I mis-credited the source of my banners. Looking more carefully, it looks like the original artists were Paulo José and Nikash Singh [1]. My apologies, guys, but - in any case - I really loved those Challenge banners you produced at that time. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [proposal] Dark application background
so what your saying is the the options are like my attached file. thats what I was confused about yesterday was I did not know where these options were coming from. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Alex B list.3...@yahoo.de wrote: i translated it, and added a screenshot of the old dialog, so you can see what would be the changes. http://http://i.imgur.com/zhZSv.png the idea is, that you first select in general what you want to change (General, HTML Document, Spreadsheet etc.) from the the drop down menu and than you choose the specific part whom's color you want to change. so if you want to change the application background, you would select General » Application background. If you wan to change the color of the keyword highlighting, you select HTML Document » Keyword highlighting and select a color. A color-picker like this would also be nice for adding colors or other color-dialogs in LibO, i think im going to create a wiki page about this topic. I pretty much got the what it said but if it will help other people who read this. but it is not that hard to use translate. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: If needed, I can translate the text and reupload the image. My German's not fantastic but there's nothing out of my range on this screenie. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote: maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png wow this is grate, I don't know what it all says but thank you Google translate. so would you click the drop down bar that says Application Backg... and choose things like page color, margin outline color ect. And the general would be things like, Tool Bars, Headers, Footers, and other things. its better than what I was imagined when it was suggested. I think that the second option is good. It makes it so that you can select exactly what you would want. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: Ich finde dass ziemlich super! Und deine Emglisch ist auch ganz gut. ;) Okay, now that we've established that my Grammatik is not up to snuff, your mockup looks really good. I'm not entirely sold on the second row (General Application Background), but it's clear and useful. I am surprised that you didn't find it-- even in German, I found the option relatively quickly. Then again, I had prior knowledge and some German to help. But the options dialogue as a whole could really use some love. Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Alex B list.3...@yahoo.de wrote: Since i'm using OOo/libO for almost 2 years now, and never found the option to change the application background color, this can mean two things: I. Something is wrong with me. II. Something is wrong with the options dialog. (in my defence, it's way harder to find in german, than in english) I took a deeper look at the options dialog and i must say, it's quite confusing sometimes, but thats an other topic. I think, the whole apperance options would be easier to use if: - The apperance dialog is more prominent. - A view color schemes are included in the default installation. - There is a small live-preview. maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png And while I agree that it's not an art program, it's also fair to make this comparison considering how many colors are offered in the LibreOffice options dialogue. We can deal with dropdown menus for changing font colors since most people use a limited selection anyway (of course, with a Shore More . . . along the way), but there must be over a hundred offered in those dropdown lists. -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote: this is not a Art program. but I see what you mean, palates are grate. I am working on a new UI right now, and will be uploading my ideas in a few days... or maybe tomorrow. hope to get some feed back from everyone. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdeba...@gmail.com )wrote: I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read this. but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to understand. probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole thing. Definitely. I don't see dropdown lists as being an ideal means of picking a color for a multitude of reasons. 1) There are a lot of colors, and
