Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set

[Adolfo Jayme Barrientos]

Monochrome icons are the way to go. Look[1], even Microsoft has
introduced them into Visual Studio (a toolbar-based UI app) and it
lloks just great.

[1]: 
http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-49-52-metablogapi/1464.image3_5F00_0ECF28C7.png

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Rework of the "Templates and documents" dialogue

[Olivier Hallot]

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Hi

Em 21-02-2012 14:41, Alexander Wilms escreveu:
> Hi all,
> 
> it's been a while since the last time I wrote something on the mailing
> list, sorry for that.
> 
> I think that templates are very important for users who want
> good-looking documents without spending a lot of time on the design. The
> current Ui to manage templates looks quite cluttered and not too
> appealing. Thats why I created this mock-up:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Templates_and_documents_rework
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Alex
> 

...has the merit to open the discussion on the actual stupid template
management dialog/menus... 10 years of LibreOffice and I am still
confused by the twisted mind that designed it. I must have missed
something really basic all this time. Why on earth do we have to deal
with address book in organizing templates?  Why acess files in the New
templates dialog?

Keep going. That will be a major hit for 3.6

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[libreoffice-design] Rework of the "Templates and documents" dialogue

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi all,

it's been a while since the last time I wrote something on the mailing 
list, sorry for that.


I think that templates are very important for users who want 
good-looking documents without spending a lot of time on the design. The 
current Ui to manage templates looks quite cluttered and not too 
appealing. Thats why I created this mock-up: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Templates_and_documents_rework


What do you think?

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re-doing the installer

[Andras Timar]

Hi Shawn, all,

I'm the engineer who works on the Windows installer. I find your design 
very good looking, especially compared to what we currently have. :-)


Please note, that there were quite few design criteria (from the 
engineering point of view) when the current MSI installer was designed.

* single download
* MSI format for enterprise deployment
* multi-language

I hope that re-designed dialogs could fit into the existing MSI 
framework, and we don't need another wrapper around MSI. Please continue 
discussion about the ideal installer UI sequence, and when you have a 
final design, please ping me, and we can start to implement is.


Many thanks,
Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set

[Kévin PEIGNOT]

2012/2/20 Sveinn í Felli 

> Þann mán 20.feb 2012 20:00, skrifaði Christoph Noack:
> ---
>
>  Am Mittwoch, den 15.02.2012, 14:08 +0100 schrieb Stefan Knorr (Astron):
>>
> ---
>
>> On 15 February 2012 13:50, Charles-H.Schulz
>>> >
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  - Do we want a reference set of icons?

>>>
>>> Mostly, we want to have a well-maintained set of icons.
>>>
>>
>> Weither it is called "reference set", or "well-maintained set", I
>> strongly agree to the general idea here.
>>
>>  Currently,
>>> none of the themes meet that definition, as all of them lack icons for
>>> certain actions. That's one of the reasons why I am not exactly 100%
>>> behind creating a completely new icon set – I think, fixing Tango
>>> should go first. Why? Tango may not be everyone's favourite theme
>>> (neither are monochrome icons, ... I digress), but
>>> a) it has an established visual style
>>> b) it's not so hard to find free/license-compliant Tango icons on the
>>> internet
>>> c) the theme already exists and only needs extending and updating.
>>> Nevertheless, if people come up with a new, substantial set of quality
>>> icons, I'll do my best to get it into LibO.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I'd like to add two additional thoughts here:
>>   * If we stick with Tango, we might loose some people interested in
>> icon design, since working on something established is usually
>> less desired than creating something new. But, since creating
>> something new (a huge set in a good quality) is an enormous
>> task, going for Tango seems indeed better.
>>   * I know from talks with Stella (the designer of the e.g. Galaxy
>> icon set for OpenOffice.org) that she needed lots (!) of time to
>> cope with the enormous number of icons and thus "unique"
>> metaphors. So working on an existing set will help us to create
>> a basis for a new set.
>>
>>  ---
>
>
>> However, since we discuss this issue from time to time, wouldn't it be
>> helpful to document a decision by the Design Team? But, of course, this
>> needs some consensus ... basically, it is a sub-decision about the
>> general visual design of LibO. Opinions, anyone?
>>
>
> Some (humble) feedback:
>
> I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons
> needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size, uses,
> fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table
> (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already but
> I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on  documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Icons
> >.
>
I agree, maybe we should use a wikipage for that (Something like that
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons - Scuse
me I don't have time to make more today but it's a starting point)

>
> Working on a couple of existing icon sets (Tango + Oxygen?) should not be
> that difficult if there are good design guidelines for each and if
> interested people could easily see which icons are missing.
>
> Then there might be work on new sets; personally I would never use a
> monochrome set (even with some integrated color coding) - but I admire
> Mirek's design in its simplicity and I think it will appeal to many people.
> Guess my visual detectors are spoiled with colors and forms ;-)
>

I'm sure we should officially maintain one icon theme (and its variant as
High Contrast) not more. But to choose whether to maintain a monochrome (as
Mirek Proposal) or colorful one, we should list positives and negatives for
each case, UX speaking (not thinking "It is beautiful / It's not beautiful"
: Everyone will have a different opinion on this), just thinking : "How can
it help users of LibO ?" And list this on the Wiki.

>
> So, I really think there should be choice by default, e.g. one darkish
> stylish theme, an institutional one and a cheering colorful one. For
> example.
>
The institutional and Darkish ones, as they are monochrome, can be
considered as One icon set to design I suppose, just changing their colour
then... Maybe changing color is possible within the software (having a
basic icon, and software change it's color automatically ?) The colorful
one can stay the Tango one in my way (even if I prefer Human)

And we mustn't forget the High Contrast one

> Finally; even though the compilation/creation of icon themes for
> LibreOffice should be coordinated at LO/TDF, shouldn't we explore the
> possibility of doing the actual design in cooperation with other
> icon-design sites, especially for the existing themes ?
>
> Just thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
> Sveinn í Felli
>
>

Kévin

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