Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
I found that removing the rulers makes it look a bit better, maybe the problem is a contrast thing, maybe what we need is not a change in the background alone, but a revision of the visual appearance of the program as a whole. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
The problem is a sane default; currently it is taken from system, but from some reason it is different (and uglier) than in other apps. I'm still investigating. Regards, Kendy Sorry for sending two mails, but after sending the first one i realized maybe my idea was a bit incomplete. The reason for which LibO looks uglier isn't the background, or any other isolated element, but the interaction between all the elements of the UI. Look at any other pretty app they don't have the best background, or the best toolbar or the best status bar, what they have is a beautiful interaction of elements inside the app that gives as a result a pretty program. What i mean is, change the background, it's a quick, easy fix, but don't expect it to work wonders and suddenly make LibO look good, if what you want it to make a good looking office suite, you need to change everything to make the overall look awesome. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Le 25/04/2012 18:02, Alberto Delgado a écrit : Digital signature: Useless for most users, i think we should hide it somewhere. In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very handy to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place, unless some other idea comes. Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk on the title like other programs, i think the same thing. +1 Insertion / selection modes: I played around with them for a while and they are generally useless, you can do all of that with basic keyboard shortcuts. Also, most users have no idea of the meaning of the weird abbreviations in the bottom. I say we remove it. Page: Maybe you can use this... somehow, i'd say we take it out too. (page) Style information is always useful to have. This allows to not have to click on the Style and Formatting bar, page category button, just to know the current page style. Please keep it. Visualization mode: if it was a selector it'd be ok... in the view menu, or the toolbar. But a simple indicator is quite useless since all you have to do to know what mode you are on is look at the screen. In Calc: Sheet: The sheet selection is right above it, no rel need for sheet x of x Have you ever had dozens of sheets? I'm sure you couldn't see all of them at once. Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle, which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either. You can change the function applied to the current selection (sum by default): just right click on the status bar. Very useful, too. So, I'd ask to keep that. In Impress: Position and size: How could you use that? These things are usually done by eye, most people don't use it, i think it should go too. The mouse is evil :) Many people use the dialogs to change that. Having the information *before* calling the dialog is useful. Template: No one ever bothers on checking this out, you usually choose the template you like without ever caring about it's name. The person looking at the presentation is not always the creator. There, I can see the template chosen by the author, then decide to change to something else. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
2012/4/23 Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz Hi Mirek, Astron, all, On 2012-04-20 at 09:16 +0200, Mirek M. wrote: I agree that the rulers should look better. Kendy -- would it be possible to change the look of the rulers? First of all - thank you for lots of good ideas. I am now going through them, to sort what is easy, and what is harder, but immediately I can answer, that changing any particular widget is +-easy. One more idea -- could you change the font drop-down menu into an icon menu? Reasoning: a) we want to encourage style use, especially when it comes to fonts (if a user wants to use several fonts in a document, he should be using styles) b) the drop-down takes up too much space compared to how frequently it is used c) it'll help streamline the UI What makes the task of changing the entire chrome hard is that there is so many widget types - push buttons with many states (normal, pressed, hover, default), scrollbars (hover, pressed button, dragging the scroller), etc. etc. So - if you can propose a better looking ruler, that would be great, just please so far keep in mind that it should play well with the default Windows theme :-) - other than that, let's go for changing that! If you can create a proposal that would be applied to a screenshot of Writer, that would help a lot. I'd suggest making the rulers adopt the document background, lose the divider between the background and the rulers, lose the black square around the tab insertion mode, and tone down the colors (black-gray). The result might look something like this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/45/Rulers.png Looking forward to this, Kendy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very handy to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place, unless some other idea comes. Ok, i didn't say it had no use, i said most users don't use it, maybe we could hide it by default, make it available in View. (page) Style information is always useful to have. This allows to not have to click on the Style and Formatting bar, page category button, just to know the current page style. Please keep it. I meant the page number page x of x Have you ever had dozens of sheets? I'm sure you couldn't see all of them at once. That's right, but you don't always use it so maybe it shouldn't always be there. Maybe it could appear next to the sheet selection when you have sheets out of range, and make the X editable (in sheet X of #) Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle, which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either. You can change the function applied to the current selection (sum by default): just right click on the status bar. Very useful, too. So, I'd ask to keep that. I don't use Calc much, you are probably right. The mouse is evil :) Many people use the dialogs to change that. Having the information *before* calling the dialog is useful. You are right, but maybe the info could be inside the dialog, have something like original: x New: x The person looking at the presentation is not always the creator. There, I can see the template chosen by the author, then decide to change to something else. Yeah, but it's not very common, and even in that situation, not that useful either, if we don't remove it, we should at least hide it in View. What i say is that we should hide all the might want and might need stuff, and make it possible to add it in case someone needs it. That way we make it simple and pretty for the average user, but powerful enough for professionals. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
2012/4/25 Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI? You know, make it just work, and look good too. I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY more organized for something like that to actually work out. I have something in mind that could help make that happen (while also working on immediate tweaks to the current UI) Should i work on it? What exactly do you mean? A UI proposal? A workflow proposal? A HIG proposal? Or perhaps a way to get developers interested? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
A Workflow proposal, i want to try to make something that let's us work on a refined UI while also working on tweaks and small improvements to the current UI. I also want to have the workflow keeping us from drifting away, make us concentrate on one or two things at a time. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Jean, Albert, That you for explaining this jean. I see how this would be useful. For example: You always use the signature icon in the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have to do is go to ViewStatus Bar and check Digital Signature from now on, every time you open that program, you will have the icon on your status bar. Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would appear. How does that sound Jean? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)
Hello, Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI? You know, make it just work, and look good too. This is the reason I'm here, to make LibreOffice loons good. I like Mirek's whole UI mockup found on his blog [1]. I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY more organized for something like that to actually work out. I have something in mind that could help make that happen (while also working on immediate tweaks to the current UI) Should i work on it? If you have an idea then propose it to the team on this mailing list. We are currently trying to get more organised, and work one one whiteboard [2] a week. Right now we are working on the color picker whiteboard [3]. [1] clickortap.wordpress.com/ http://clickortap.wordpress.com/ [2] wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards [3] wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open
Sorry for my ignorance, but, what's this about? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Usability] Design in the open
Mirek: Cool, that's just what i wanted to do. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
2012/4/22 Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com Custom button? That would be nice, but I'm not sure if it follows the HIG and I think it would not look good being put with the color picker. Do you have any suggestions as to put a button to switch to the custom color picker? I'm thinking maybe the user could click and hold on the square to trigger the custom color picker. Sorry, i don't know the HIG, where can i find it? No HIG yet. All our designs should fit in line with HIGs of the operating systems LibreOffice supports, though. I like the click and hold idea, but it's not obvious, i guess you could put a little notification of this the first time you open the color picker to avoid this. I still don't like the idea much, i think it would feel a bit weird that a click and hold opens a dialog box. Revising my idea, What about making a + in the last square?, it's pretty intuitive. I agree, it's better. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Hi everyone, it's time to move to another development phase on the color handling page. This time, we'll list the controversial topics/unsolved problems that we need to adress in order to produce our tentative design, put proposed solutions inside a table and list advantages for each of them. Add to the list if you feel something is missing: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling#Open_problems. It's an experimental workflow, let's see how it works. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Ok, the problems are there, do we propose solutions under them or where? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Alberto, No the whiteboard is for the proposals, and the mailing list is for discussing the proposals. Cheers, Andrew On Apr 25, 2012 6:19 PM, Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the problems are there, do we propose solutions under them or where? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
Ok, got it, so... Amount of colors If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could just scroll down. Having this option is important because some people use palletes with lots of colors. If it's about the included pallete, they should be small with the most used colors by default and have a few other options. Editing Palletes Adding colors should be easy and integrated in the pop over, i suggested a + icon before. For creating new palletes we should have a dialog since it's something you don't usually integrate to your workflow and requires more than what you can do with comfort in a pop over. (for the accidental closing issue) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Let's work on color handling
So I just added my problems to this section. Mirek if this is not the format that it should be tell me and you or I can change it. On Apr 25, 2012 7:00 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote: Alberto, If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could just scroll down. Having this option is important because some people use palletes with lots of colors. Talk a look at the mockups above this section. You will see that Mirek's has 30 colors in the LibreOffice palette like 9/12 in the android, where as my mock up has 70 colors in the standardized color palette. So they can have more or less but we need to reside how many colors the default palette has. I like Mirek's 30 color palette, it has only three of each color. Dark, middle,and light. Adding colors should be easy and integrated in the pop over, i suggested a + icon before. For creating new palletes we should have a dialog since it's something you don't usually integrate to your workflow and requires more than what you can do with comfort in a pop over. (for the accidental closing issue) For this look at Mirek's mockup. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Proposed idea workflow 2.0
I'd like to add this to our workflow, I think we should have a cue, so we always know what we are working on and what we are going to work on next. I understand that the projects we are working on / going to work on are in the whiteboards section of the design wiki, i think we should reorganize them into a cue have a nice view of what we're doing next. Also, along that short term cue, we should add a long term cue where we list the next steps for complete redesigns. By having this 2 cues we can concentrate on working on the most immediate projects alongside bigger projects to increase the overall awesomeness of LibO. The idea of this is to have a central place where anyone can know what we're working on, and a place we can check so we don't get too away from what we have to do now. BTW, the collaboration and cooperation page has to go away from there if we do change to this. If we do this we will have a completely fluid workflow. Check what's nextDiscuss itPropose ideasDiscuss Solve problemsDiscussFinish projectCelebrate Check what's next... Here is a little preview of how it would be like: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Albertoeda -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] questions about the status bar
Le 25/04/2012 21:03, Andrew Pullins a écrit : Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would appear. How does that sound Jean? That option is ok for me. The point is to make the information visible when a document is signed, without any user interaction. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
