Re: [libreoffice-design]

[Jonathan Aquilina]

There is one on linux called basket


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos <
fitosch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Maximi89  wrote:
> > Hi, what do the One Note?
>
> OneNote is a notetaking application. It’s useful to take quick notes,
> minutes, etc., while in a class, conference… It has competitors, and
> there are alternatives in Linux: Everpad and NeverNote are the most
> popular.
>
> --
> Adolfo
>
> --
> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
> Problems?
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
> deleted
>
>


-- 
Jonathan Aquilina

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Mirek M.]

Hi Thibaut,
I share your desire to clean up the toolbars (in fact, I've made a proposal
myself [1]).
However, I don't agree with all the changes that you've proposed
(especially not with moving the style dropdown to the Standard toolbar, as
it applies only to text and should thus be shown on the Formatting toolbar,
based on ux-natural-mapping [2]).
Rather than argue about which icons should be shown and which ones
shouldn't now, I'd rather propose something that would allow us to make
wide-reaching changes to toolbars without upsetting users as much.
I'd like to propose making an optional hidden items menu (read the proposal
at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#Optional_Hidden_Items_Menu),
which would allow us to hide lesser-used toolbar items without sacrificing
discoverability.
Perhaps we could propose that as an easy hack?

It might also be good to have a responsive layout for toolbars [3]. The
initial implementation could be as simple as deducing the icon size based
on the window size. I believe that could be an easy hack as well.
(Adjusting the icon size based on toolbar size would require some deeper
thought, analysis, and user testing.)

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Toolbars
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Principles
[3] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#Responsive_Layout

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Mirek M.]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I took some time to mock-up how Writer could look.
>
> 1. Without less used icons and without the separator color
> ==
> I locked the two toolbars to get rid of the grabbing area and removed the
> color of all vertical separators, except the one in the lower right corner,
> to separate the zoom amount from the horizontal zoom slider.
>
> Image: http://ubuntuone.com/56vCLYWwuluBmdoa7Mi7Vz
>
> Buttons removed:
>  * 'Document as E-mail' button
>  * 'Edit File' button
>  * 'Page Preview' button
>  * 'Spelling and Grammar' button
>  * 'Show Draw Functions'
>  * 'Navigator'
>  * 'Gallery'
>  * 'Data Sources'
>  * 'LibreOffice Help'
>  * 'Styles and Formatting'
>
>
> 2. Reordered toolbar icons
> ==
> To save place and re-balance the UI I moved the less used 'Apply Style'
> drop-down menu to the upper right.
>
> Image: http://ubuntuone.com/3ydcBWGX78PFF30OH6KFLJ
>
> I already like the result and would be happy if LO would ship with such
> default toolbars in Writer. All suggested changes - except the removed
> color of the vertical separators - are done by simple LO toolbar
> manipulations.
>
> The toolbars don't miss IMHO anything, but are short enough to be always
> displayed - even on a small netbook screen (would need to be checked). The
> upper toolbar, left side - btw the most valuable place in every program -
> has the basic file and print stuff there, the rest of the upper toolbar
> contains less used actions.
> The lower toolbar contains all the needed day-to-day buttons - but not much
> clutter.
>
> But there is still space for improvements...
>
>
> 3. Further reordered + more drop-downs + other UI elements removed
> ===
> For the third try I changed the UI (and therefore the UX too) more
> drastically, without reinventing Writer.
>
> Image: http://ubuntuone.com/3Q9Nve4ZCHUMiSL0B8OLue
>
> Cleaned-up, reordered or removed UI elements:
>  * The bottom toolbar got cleaned-up
>  * I removed the buttons beneath the scrollbar
>  * The 'Table' button moved to the lower toolbar
>  * The 'Nonprinting Character' button moved to the lower toolbar
>  * The less used text formatting options got collapsed into a drop-down
>  * The list buttons got collapsed into a drop-down
>  * Added more space between the text formatting and the list drop-down
> button
>
> Compare the image with the current default UI... I think my last mock-up is
> much better.
> It is more clean, has less lines, still looks like LibreOffice, but is much
> more easily to catch with the eyes. All day-to-day tasks can be found in
> the lower - better targetable - toolbar. Plus a lot of clutter has been
> reduced.
>
> The toolbar at the bottom of Writer looks cleaner - an average user will
> have no problem to recognize every displayed information.
>
>
>
> That's it for now
>
> Kind Regards
> Thibaut
>
> --
> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
> Problems?
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
> deleted
>
>

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

[Marc Paré]

I am almost finished with the Features page due to be unveiled to the 
website public on the LibreOffice v.4.0 unveiling day in Feb[1].


If you take a look at it, I am making use of the LibreOffice set of 
icons for the large sections breaks. Is there anyone who could look at 
the page and using the same format as the small icons there, create some 
for the missing sections ... these are only for website use but would 
still be useful in marketing materials too. These would not be the 
official set unless we all voted to adopt these (below).


BTW ... we did this for the last page, I can't seem to remembered who 
did this ... maybe KJ?


The missing icons are for the following sections:

* Core Changes
* Options / General
* Filters
* GUI
* Localization
* Performance
* Infrastructure
* Linux
* Extensions
* Feature Removal / Deprecation
* API Changes

The would all use our page icon as the backdrop but have some kind of 
identifying symbol for that particular section ... for example ... for 
Linux -> page + small penguin icon


Size: 40X48
Format: png

There is very little time left before the page goes live, but, even if I 
get some icons after the page goes live, I will still incorporate these 
into the text.


Thanks for any help.

Marc

[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes




--
Marc Paré
m...@marcpare.com
http://www.parEntreprise.com
parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)
parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org


--
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Thibaut Brandscheid]

Hi all

I took some time to mock-up how Writer could look.

1. Without less used icons and without the separator color
==
I locked the two toolbars to get rid of the grabbing area and removed the
color of all vertical separators, except the one in the lower right corner,
to separate the zoom amount from the horizontal zoom slider.

Image: http://ubuntuone.com/56vCLYWwuluBmdoa7Mi7Vz

Buttons removed:
 * 'Document as E-mail' button
 * 'Edit File' button
 * 'Page Preview' button
 * 'Spelling and Grammar' button
 * 'Show Draw Functions'
 * 'Navigator'
 * 'Gallery'
 * 'Data Sources'
 * 'LibreOffice Help'
 * 'Styles and Formatting'


2. Reordered toolbar icons
==
To save place and re-balance the UI I moved the less used 'Apply Style'
drop-down menu to the upper right.

Image: http://ubuntuone.com/3ydcBWGX78PFF30OH6KFLJ

I already like the result and would be happy if LO would ship with such
default toolbars in Writer. All suggested changes - except the removed
color of the vertical separators - are done by simple LO toolbar
manipulations.

The toolbars don't miss IMHO anything, but are short enough to be always
displayed - even on a small netbook screen (would need to be checked). The
upper toolbar, left side - btw the most valuable place in every program -
has the basic file and print stuff there, the rest of the upper toolbar
contains less used actions.
The lower toolbar contains all the needed day-to-day buttons - but not much
clutter.

But there is still space for improvements...


3. Further reordered + more drop-downs + other UI elements removed
===
For the third try I changed the UI (and therefore the UX too) more
drastically, without reinventing Writer.

Image: http://ubuntuone.com/3Q9Nve4ZCHUMiSL0B8OLue

Cleaned-up, reordered or removed UI elements:
 * The bottom toolbar got cleaned-up
 * I removed the buttons beneath the scrollbar
 * The 'Table' button moved to the lower toolbar
 * The 'Nonprinting Character' button moved to the lower toolbar
 * The less used text formatting options got collapsed into a drop-down
 * The list buttons got collapsed into a drop-down
 * Added more space between the text formatting and the list drop-down
button

Compare the image with the current default UI... I think my last mock-up is
much better.
It is more clean, has less lines, still looks like LibreOffice, but is much
more easily to catch with the eyes. All day-to-day tasks can be found in
the lower - better targetable - toolbar. Plus a lot of clutter has been
reduced.

The toolbar at the bottom of Writer looks cleaner - an average user will
have no problem to recognize every displayed information.



That's it for now

Kind Regards
Thibaut

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Björn Balazs]

Hi Astron,

Am Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2013, 17:50:46 schrieben Sie:
> Hi Björn,
> 
> > Sorry for stepping in here. The results are just what it says in 
the
> > post. Yes, we did an analysis of data that was not gathered for 
this
> > kind of analysis in the first place. As it cannot be used to 
proof any
> > hypothesis (no statistical study can anyhow - read Popper on this
> > topic) - the data cannot falsify the hypothesis that more detail 
is
> > worse than less detail - but it can falsify the hypothesis that 
there
> > is no difference between more and less detail icons in this 
particular
> > setting. This is a value.
> 
> So, first of all, the hypothesis makes some sense to me, logically.
> 
> However, the problem here is that the categorisation seems pretty
> random: "low-detail" icons have small text on them, have delicate
> lines, contain many elements, etc. You don't seem to have published
> how you categorised the icon, either (maybe I haven't looked hard
> enough). 

You haven't: We did an expert rating (that what I wrote - and to add 
some more flesh to it:) with two experts (Heiko and me) working 
independently and discussing were categorization differed.

> If you look at the comments below the post, I am clearly not
> the first to have noticed. This is, btw, not the only concern about
> the validity of the more-is-worse analysis.

Most people complaining did not read the article well. Unfortunately 
you find this behavior often in the net. But on the other hand, I do 
not want to censor even the less appropriate comments.

So yes, you are right - there are issues to the validity. Take it as 
I said before: it is an indicator for the mentioned hypothesis and 
perhaps someone gets encouraged to pick it up and validate the 
findings.

You know, it really makes me sad how initiatives like these are 
always bashed upon. During my studies I had a course where we 
examined the 10 most-cited studies in Psychology from a 
methodological viewpoint. None of them was even close to bulletproof. 
Nevertheless they are valid - mostly because people re-did what was 
done before using (slightly) different methodology.

Back to our study: all raw data is freely available. Take it, 
categorize the icons the way you think it is appropriate and start 
discussing the difference in results. If you are not satisfied, 
create a study on your own - the tool you can make this with is 
freely available - again discuss the results. Untill then: I do not 
only have an opinion - I have some data that indicates a direction. 
Please be a bit more moderate if you haven't. I am moderate too - 
e.g. I do not claim anyone to do anything based on the results 
(except perhaps trying to falsify the findings on a data base).

I really hope to get some support here - we need to go ahead based on 
research (as good as we can). You see in this and other threads, what 
happens when we all just talk about our own preferences...

All the best,
Björn


-- 
Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs
Business Management & Research
T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949

User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise 
Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com 
HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Stefan Knorr (Astron)]

Hi Wolfgang, all,

On 30 January 2013 18:37, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:
> MS has always been at the antipode of ergonomics. And they keep moving
> in the *wrong* direction. "Ribbons" as well as the totally ridiculous
> Windows 8 GUI - try to accomplish *any* work with it, you'll rather end
> up tossing the screen through the closed window of your office - are
> just the latest cerebral flatulances emanating from their "product
> managers' "brains".

Wow, you're noticing you're quite harsh there, right?
I don't think you're entirely justified here: Microsoft do a lot of
user testing and research, even if their execution is occasionally
lacking a bit (as with Office 2007 and even more so with Windows 8).
Also, the concepts behind the Ribbons and the Metro/"Windows-8-style"
are completely different – the former shows everything at once to ease
creation of content, the latter tries to hide everything that would
distract from consuming content.
So your observation that you can't really work with Windows 8 actually
means that its designers have mostly reached their goal. It's of
course debatable if that's a useful goal – especially considering how
the Windows–Office tandem used to be Microsoft's moneymaker. Note how
Office is still stuck on the desktop of Windows 8 (save for One Note).


> *Never* take products made by managed corporations as examples to
> follow.

I am not sure this attitude helps.


> Use *exclusively* whitespace to group objects.

That's probably a good suggestion, but where do we take all that white
space from?


Astron.

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design]

[Adolfo Jayme Barrientos]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Maximi89  wrote:
> Hi, what do the One Note?

OneNote is a notetaking application. It’s useful to take quick notes,
minutes, etc., while in a class, conference… It has competitors, and
there are alternatives in Linux: Everpad and NeverNote are the most
popular.

-- 
Adolfo

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Wolfgang Keller]

> The basic question is where LO goes. Microsoft has done a step
> forward with Ribbon controls 

MS has always been at the antipode of ergonomics. And they keep moving
in the *wrong* direction. "Ribbons" as well as the totally ridiculous
Windows 8 GUI - try to accomplish *any* work with it, you'll rather end
up tossing the screen through the closed window of your office - are
just the latest cerebral flatulances emanating from their "product
managers' "brains".

> (that is the opposite to your idea) and
> maybe we find the other way with simplification at Google's tools.

Google's just equally ridiculous and dysfunctional crap.

*Never* take products made by managed corporations as examples to
follow.

> I guess LO is used for its conventional user experience. That means
> all functions reside in the main menu and some have fast access at the
> toolbar. Those items need to be grouped (small separator lines
> between)

No.

It has been proven over and over again that "separator" lines do
*NOT* "separate". They effectively do the *opposite*, besides adding
elements that are just confusing for the eyes.

*Never* use them.

Use *exclusively* whitespace to group objects.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] LO Writer UI Analysis

[Wolfgang Keller]

> 1. Needed UI elements
> =

> 3b - Remove as many unnecessary lines as possible to further clean up
> the UI.

I second this.

Lines, "frames" etc. are well-known to be totally anti-ergonomic
nonsense.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang


-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Stefan Knorr (Astron)]

Hi Björn,

> Sorry for stepping in here. The results are just what it says in the
> post. Yes, we did an analysis of data that was not gathered for this
> kind of analysis in the first place. As it cannot be used to proof any
> hypothesis (no statistical study can anyhow - read Popper on this
> topic) - the data cannot falsify the hypothesis that more detail is
> worse than less detail - but it can falsify the hypothesis that there
> is no difference between more and less detail icons in this particular
> setting. This is a value.

So, first of all, the hypothesis makes some sense to me, logically.

However, the problem here is that the categorisation seems pretty
random: "low-detail" icons have small text on them, have delicate
lines, contain many elements, etc. You don't seem to have published
how you categorised the icon, either (maybe I haven't looked hard
enough). If you look at the comments below the post, I am clearly not
the first to have noticed. This is, btw, not the only concern about
the validity of the more-is-worse analysis.

So, all the study proves is that some icons are more readable than
others – which is useful in itself of course.


> Esp. as Heiko did not cite the study to proof anything.

Sorry about overreacting there.


Astron.

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Visual approach for Voting

[Ankit Ahuja]

As LibreOffice is open for everyone, There are always new people adding to
it. The same is case for voting for the *proposal of Designs* for
LibreOffice 4.

I felt that it is bit difficult to vote for the nice designs and also it
requires some initial understanding of basics (Like to whom to mail, is
only registered id is applicable for voting...) To be fair, I am newbie too
& myself don't know these things.

So I am proposing a way to make this voting a bit easier and also it can be
shared with larger audience.

I have created a* blog* with some proposals to show as demo. Now voting can
be done by *+1's* or *Likes. * Here is the blog:
*
*
*LibreOffice Designs 
*

Hope You guys like it

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Björn Balazs]

Hi Astron,

> > [1b] http://user-prompt.com/more-is-worse-about-detail-in-icons/
> 
> Please don't refer to this particular post for proof of anything any
> more – you admitted to rationalising after you had the results in 
this
> case. As such, this part of the icons study is imho rather useless.
> (Your efforts in analysing our UI are more than welcome in general –
> LibO 4.0 shipping with floppy icons again is a direct result of your
> work – I am only taking offence with advertising this particular
> post.)

Sorry for stepping in here. The results are just what it says in the 
post. Yes, we did an analysis of data that was not gathered for this 
kind of analysis in the first place. As it cannot be used to proof any 
hypothesis (no statistical study can anyhow - read Popper on this 
topic) - the data cannot falsify the hypothesis that more detail is 
worse than less detail - but it can falsify the hypothesis that there 
is no difference between more and less detail icons in this particular 
setting. This is a value. A lot of scientific studies are on this 
level. This is not (and never claimed to be) THE answer. It is a little 
piece of the mosaic and should encourage us to do more research on this 
particular topic - perhaps with study design for this sole purpose. If 
we do not use the data we have for looking at open questions, we will 
never proceed. So please be a little more reserved with your criticism. 
Esp. as Heiko did not cite the study to proof anything.

All the best,
Björn

-- 
Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs
Business Management & Research
T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949

User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise 
Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com 
HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design]

[Maximi89]

Hi, what do the One Note?


2013/1/30 Vishwaje Ravinath 

> This is about libre office.. I'm a full time linux user.. I encourage
>  people to use linux. Doing so I face many problems. One of the biggest
>  is, there's no application remotely capable of doing things that MS
>  One Note does. You have the most potential to do this kind of thing. I
>  know most of you don't think note management apps doesn't popular as
>  word processing apps. Let me tell you, they are popular. This issue
>  led to most people to switch back to windows and of course purchase MS
>  office. So, act fast on this one. Do this right. We all behind you. I
>  even did my first donate to document foundation. So, please do start
>  brainstorming and create One note kind of app. I'm no developer, but I
>  know you can do this.
> Thank You..
>
> --
> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
> Problems?
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
> deleted
>
>


-- 
Maximiliano Augusto Castañón Araneda
Santiago, Chile
Linux user # 394821

XMPP/Jabber: maxim...@gmail.com

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design]

[Vishwaje Ravinath]

This is about libre office.. I'm a full time linux user.. I encourage
 people to use linux. Doing so I face many problems. One of the biggest
 is, there's no application remotely capable of doing things that MS
 One Note does. You have the most potential to do this kind of thing. I
 know most of you don't think note management apps doesn't popular as
 word processing apps. Let me tell you, they are popular. This issue
 led to most people to switch back to windows and of course purchase MS
 office. So, act fast on this one. Do this right. We all behind you. I
 even did my first donate to document foundation. So, please do start
 brainstorming and create One note kind of app. I'm no developer, but I
 know you can do this.
Thank You..

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: 4.0 Branding poll

[SteveBell]

And here's the direct link if you are reading the nabble thread:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsGS28t6YMF3dHFrTm9hMzZVNk9hNEZMN0NSbV9ZbXc#gid=0



--
View this message in context: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-0-Branding-poll-tp4032751p4033157.html
Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Stefan Knorr (Astron)]

Hi Heiko,

> @Astron: I was looking for OO's tracking results some time ago. The data is
> not accessible anymore. It would be great to have good data to analyse and
> even better if it comes from LO.

Oh. Didn't check the link if it's still available. Sorry. I still have
copy on my local disk, though. Given how it used to be public (and
presumably freely licensed? hard to check when the page is deleted
now), giving it away shouldn't be a problem, I guess. I'll upload it
later today to my Dropbox (not sure if uploading to TDF wiki is
appropriate).

Sadly, for LibO, we don't have similar data and likely won't get it
soon. The code to collect the usage data was Java-based and didn't
seem useful initially – it has been gone now for some time (since
~3.4). :(


> [1b] http://user-prompt.com/more-is-worse-about-detail-in-icons/

Please don't refer to this particular post for proof of anything any
more – you admitted to rationalising after you had the results in this
case. As such, this part of the icons study is imho rather useless.
(Your efforts in analysing our UI are more than welcome in general –
LibO 4.0 shipping with floppy icons again is a direct result of your
work – I am only taking offence with advertising this particular
post.)

Astron.

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: LO Writer UI Analysis

[Heiko Tietze]

First of all, personally I share your conclusion on most parts and appreciate
your work really. That should be an excuse for my following objections ;-).

You should keep in mind that LO is used on many OS with different themes and
has therefore more than one icon set (can be configured).
In our analysis [1] we found similar results about your assumption on
problematical icons. However, whether or not an icon is understood fast and
reliable depends on many aspects like button position, tooltip/label,
functionality etc., and not on single icon design only.
Usage is not a good indicator (or better: should not be the only reason) to
add/remove toolbar items. For instance, I (and probably most others) use the
'non-printing characters' button rarely but want not abstain from the fast
access.

The basic question is where LO goes. Microsoft has done a step forward with
Ribbon controls (that is the opposite to your idea) and maybe we find the
other way with simplification at Google's tools. I guess LO is used for its
conventional user experience. That means all functions reside in the main
menu and some have fast access at the toolbar. Those items need to be
grouped (small separator lines between), it should be heterogeneous enough
for easy perception (not like 'spelling and grammer' and spellchecking), but
homogeneous to reduce distraction and clutter. With more experience the
toolbars should be enhanceable (e.g. I use toolbars for Standard, Format,
and Draw functions, show the Navigator sidebar - which is a great feature -
and have a sidebar with available formattings) but for your novice user it
should be simple. 

So why don't we improve the adjustment dialog (you can define your toolbars
as you want right now) and have some kind of presets?

Last but not least I'm not sure that LO users are that novice. We need
Persona for those discussions, based on real data.

@Astron: I was looking for OO's tracking results some time ago. The data is
not accessible anymore. It would be great to have good data to analyse and
even better if it comes from LO.

[1a] http://user-prompt.com/about-antiquated-metaphors-in-icons/
[1b] http://user-prompt.com/more-is-worse-about-detail-in-icons/
(More results will follow soon)



--
View this message in context: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-Writer-UI-Analysis-tp4032977p4033135.html
Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted