Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines 2013/2/27 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Hi Issa, you wrote: Here is a rough list of guidelines for designing the flat icons which I compiled from jimmac on irc and stereotype on her blog (GNOME symbolic icons designers): 1. Use a 16x16 primary canvas. [snip] Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. I'd need to re-find the svgs that have this labelling for examples, but the extraction script generally expects a name_size labelling, and exports to namesize.png - of course that can be adjusted. Just be consistent. :) (I can do that for a handful of icons manually, as done for the android icons - but it becomes intractable for large icon sets. Of course, cannot harm to equip also the android icons with said labels) Beyond that, great initiative - thanks a lot! And, once the workflow is decided, prolly worth sticking to the wiki prominently? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] new 4.0 icon set
Hi Todd, Thanks for your efforts – sadly, though, this list strips out all attachments. Usually, it's best to upload such things to the wiki and then give us a link: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload (You have to create an account and log in before you can properly view this page.) Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hello Thorsten, Kévin, Thorsten wrote on February 27, 2013 6:49 PM: Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. Consider it added :) Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 01, 2013 11:25 AM: That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines I didn't add it yet because I'm wondering whether we should update the old flat icons page or make a new one, because pretty much everything on the old page will be scrapped. I guess we could move the old page's content to Flat icons set (Android)? ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hi Issa, Every One 2013/3/1 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Thorsten, Kévin, Thorsten wrote on February 27, 2013 6:49 PM: Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. Consider it added :) Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 01, 2013 11:25 AM: That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines I didn't add it yet because I'm wondering whether we should update the old flat icons page or make a new one, because pretty much everything on the old page will be scrapped. I guess we could move the old page's content to Flat icons set (Android)? That's right, that's probably the best thing to do. or Flat icon set (old). Then the old proposals could be updated easily by they creators . I think we should choose a different architecure for the wiki page. Maybe less text and more icons, a tabl or something like that ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] high quality icon images
Hi Issa and Tim Le 28/02/13 07:39 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello webmaster-Kracked_P_P, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on February 28, 2013 2:34 PM: The problem, for me, is when I scale one of the icons up to the needed size[s]. Then it gets jagged and weird. Try this https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Icons_Huge.png Does it look good? I am also working on updating a brochure, from May 2011. I was told there was some new design elements for 4.0 coming down the pipe. Was I told correctly? Should I wait for those elements? I was thinking about using the half-circle design element from the new 4.0 portal opening page, or something similar. I'm not sure, someone else has to answer that. ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يح تويه هذا البريد. I was the one who suggested this. Is Maxim Darak's green proposal, the final version, up on the wiki page yet? This is the design chosen as our official splash screen. We need it on the Gallery of Marketing and Design Resourcesp page[1] so that we can start updating our marketing materials. It should go into the LibreOffice Product Graphics category. Cheers and thanks for all of the fabulous work! Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hi Kévin, On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote: Hi Issa, Every One 2013/3/1 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Thorsten, Kévin, Thorsten wrote on February 27, 2013 6:49 PM: Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. Consider it added :) Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 01, 2013 11:25 AM: That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines I didn't add it yet because I'm wondering whether we should update the old flat icons page or make a new one, because pretty much everything on the old page will be scrapped. I guess we could move the old page's content to Flat icons set (Android)? That's right, that's probably the best thing to do. or Flat icon set (old). Then the old proposals could be updated easily by they creators . I think we should choose a different architecure for the wiki page. Maybe less text and more icons, a tabl or something like that Actually, this time around, we're adopting Gnome's workflow and going with github [1] + SparkleShare [2]. The wiki isn't a good place for managing lots of images -- uploading each version of the hundreds of icons that are planned would be tedious. [1] https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons [2] http://sparkleshare.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hi, Yes I think it's a good idea, even if it's not on the wiki, we should add this there : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design (maybe in the whiteboard or a new section ?) Le ven. 01 mars 2013 16:35:14 CET, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : Could the designers post as one image their set of icon ideas [current/best ideas] in a PNG/JPG file on the wiki pages or somewhere else? Someone like me that has other work going on for LO and local projects [and little time to do those] can see a brief overview of what is being proposed? I just started on this list to ask about getting a set of the icons in large format, and I thank you for that help. So, I do not know what is going on with the discussions and would like to see some of the current ideas presented on a web page for easy viewing. I may not be the only one. On 03/01/2013 08:44 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: Hi Mirek Thanks a lot, seems to be a good way (and far better than the Wiki). So icons will be stored in GitHub, and we can access them via Sparkleshare for exemple to have everyone synced that's it ? Kevin 2013/3/1 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi Kévin, On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote: Hi Issa, Every One 2013/3/1 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Thorsten, Kévin, Thorsten wrote on February 27, 2013 6:49 PM: Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. Consider it added :) Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 01, 2013 11:25 AM: That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines I didn't add it yet because I'm wondering whether we should update the old flat icons page or make a new one, because pretty much everything on the old page will be scrapped. I guess we could move the old page's content to Flat icons set (Android)? That's right, that's probably the best thing to do. or Flat icon set (old). Then the old proposals could be updated easily by they creators . I think we should choose a different architecure for the wiki page. Maybe less text and more icons, a tabl or something like that Actually, this time around, we're adopting Gnome's workflow and going with github [1] + SparkleShare [2]. The wiki isn't a good place for managing lots of images -- uploading each version of the hundreds of icons that are planned would be tedious. [1] https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons [2] http://sparkleshare.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hello webmaster-Kracked_P_P, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on March 01, 2013 6:35 PM: Could the designers post as one image their set of icon ideas [current/best ideas] in a PNG/JPG file on the wiki pages or somewhere else? Someone like me that has other work going on for LO and local projects [and little time to do those] can see a brief overview of what is being proposed? I just started on this list to ask about getting a set of the icons in large format, and I thank you for that help. So, I do not know what is going on with the discussions and would like to see some of the current ideas presented on a web page for easy viewing. I may not be the only one. The ideas would be a bit hard to do, but I'm thinking we can post a screenshot of the completed icons every once in a while :) ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Screen shots would be wonderful !! On 03/01/2013 12:06 PM, Issa Alkurtass wrote: Hello webmaster-Kracked_P_P, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on March 01, 2013 6:35 PM: Could the designers post as one image their set of icon ideas [current/best ideas] in a PNG/JPG file on the wiki pages or somewhere else? Someone like me that has other work going on for LO and local projects [and little time to do those] can see a brief overview of what is being proposed? I just started on this list to ask about getting a set of the icons in large format, and I thank you for that help. So, I do not know what is going on with the discussions and would like to see some of the current ideas presented on a web page for easy viewing. I may not be the only one. The ideas would be a bit hard to do, but I'm thinking we can post a screenshot of the completed icons every once in a while :) ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New 4.0 icon set?
On 03/01/2013 02:03 PM, Rtjhnstn wrote: Sirs: I did not like the solid color icons fro LO on the Internet, so I took internal image from 3.3.1 icons and pasted it into the appropriate solid color icon. I hope you can use these. Below are the links. http://https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-base4.png http://https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-calc4.png http://https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-draw4.png http://https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-impress4.png http://https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-math-4.png http://https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-writer4a.png R Todd Johnston rtjhn...@aol.com I get the 404 error for these links. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New 4.0 icon set?
Am 01.03.2013 20:47, schrieb webmaster-Kracked_P_P: On 03/01/2013 02:03 PM, Rtjhnstn wrote: I did not like the solid color icons fro LO on the Internet, so I took internal image from 3.3.1 icons and pasted it into the appropriate solid color icon. I hope you can use these. Below are the links. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-base4.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-calc4.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-draw4.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-impress4.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-math-4.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-writer4a.png I get the 404 error for these links. http://https://wiki... cannot work ;) corrected links above cheers Erich -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New 4.0 icon set?
Le 01/03/2013 20:03, Rtjhnstn a écrit : I did not like the solid color icons fro LO on the Internet, so I took internal image from 3.3.1 icons and pasted it into the appropriate solid color icon. I like the colours. I don't like the recessed top-right angles which make the icon strange to me. My 2 euro-cents, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New 4.0 icon set?
On 03/01/2013 03:12 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 01/03/2013 20:03, Rtjhnstn a écrit : I did not like the solid color icons fro LO on the Internet, so I took internal image from 3.3.1 icons and pasted it into the appropriate solid color icon. I like the colours. I don't like the recessed top-right angles which make the icon strange to me. My 2 euro-cents, If it had the broken corner that we are use to, maybe it would work better for some people. It is not as plain, but how good it is on the real small sizes? The colors will show up more than the current set of icons. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
