Re: [libreoffice-design] Behavioural questions

[Mirek M.]

Hi Oskar,

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Oskar Olsson  wrote:

> Can I make a whiteboard for the icon sketches for the Version 4 features
> page? Is there a template somewhere or do I just copy some other
> whiteboard-page?
>
> Is there any description on how to interact with the different whiteboard
> topics? The different categories represent different levels of completion,
> but what level? Can I add proposals to the shaping tentative design and
> blueprint category or are they locked down?
>

So, we're generally stingy when creating whiteboards. We usually create
them only when developers approach us with a task or when we agree that
something is so important that it will need to be implemented sooner or
later.

If you've been approached by someone from the Document Foundation about the
icons, feel free to make a whiteboard. If not, please put them on your user
page for now [1]. We can then see what the website people have planned and
create a whiteboard based on their needs.

>
> Also, I have never use mailing lists before. Are there any guidelines on
> how to use them? I tried to respond to mails I got but I don't know how
> many people I am actually "talking" to.
>
> regards/Oskar


[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:[username] (if you don't have
one, create one)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Behavioural questions

[Adolfo Jayme Barrientos]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Oskar Olsson  wrote:
> Also, I have never use mailing lists before. Are there any guidelines on
> how to use them? I tried to respond to mails I got but I don't know how
> many people I am actually "talking" to.

Of course: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette

In GMail you can tell who are you sending your message to. And the
"Reply to All" button is useful:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6585?hl=en&ref_topic=1669018

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Design resource page

[Mike Myshko]

On 29/06/2013 01:00, Stefan Knorr wrote:

As for doing mockups, some people like using "Pencil" [1], a Firefox addon


There's also a standalone cross platform 'Pencil' App:

http://pencil.evolus.vn/

It's made by Evolus, the same people that built the addon.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Behavioural questions

[Marc Paré]

Hi Oskar

Le 2013-06-29 04:15, Oskar Olsson a écrit :

Also, I have never use mailing lists before. Are there any guidelines on
how to use them? I tried to respond to mails I got but I don't know how
many people I am actually "talking" to.

regards/Oskar


When responding, make sure that you are responding to the group and not 
the individual. It should then post on the mailing list -- this is of 
course as long as you are registered properly to the mailing list.


Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-design] [DISCUSS] Proposal to improve style workflow in writer

[Aurélien Naldi]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:

>
> I resurrected an old whiteboard with a similar topic:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Style_management .
> Please tweak the scope according to what you would like to work on and add
> your proposal.
> We'll talk about the proposals next Saturday at 16:00 UTC on our weekly
> IRC chat [1] and try to agree on a tentative design. Do you think you could
> join us? If it's not a good time, we can reschedule.
>

Hi Mirek,

I added a brief description of my proposal there and I plan to join you on
IRC tonight.



> To get familiar with the LibO code, you could try working on our proposed
> EasyHack regarding styles :
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62081 . Ask Kendy to add the
> code pointers for that. (I'm ccing him on this message.)
>


The code pointer sure help a lot! I'll probably want to use the same class
for the character style selector.


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On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:

> Hi Aurélien,
> Sorry for the late response.
>
> I agree that the current Style workflow isn't as simple or efficient as it
> could be.
>
> I resurrected an old whiteboard with a similar topic:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Style_management .
> Please tweak the scope according to what you would like to work on and add
> your proposal.
> We'll talk about the proposals next Saturday at 16:00 UTC on our weekly
> IRC chat [1] and try to agree on a tentative design. Do you think you could
> join us? If it's not a good time, we can reschedule.
>
> To get familiar with the LibO code, you could try working on our proposed
> EasyHack regarding styles :
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62081 . Ask Kendy to add the
> code pointers for that. (I'm ccing him on this message.)
>
> I'm really excited to have you onboard! :)
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Aurélien Naldi 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been an irregular user of LibreOffice since the old staroffice
>> days,
>> but also a LaTeX user for longer texts. I would like to share some ideas
>> on
>> realistic improvements for people who want to use styles exclusively.
>>
>> My main gripe with the current GUI is that everything encourages ad-hoc
>> formatting instead of reusing styling. I feel that the use of style should
>> not require using the crowded style dialogs more than ad-hoc formatting.
>> To
>> address this, I propose two main changes: a "style toolbar" to replace the
>> formatting toolbar, and a redesign of the stylist to let us edit common
>> properties from the stylist directly (along with some other changes). Some
>> of the proposed things may not be easy to implement now, but I feel that a
>> partial implementation would not be problematic and would greatly improve
>> my workflow in LibreOffice.
>>
>> I'm also a newcomer to this mailing list or to design work, thus let me
>> know if I'm doing this wrong!
>> Should I open an enhancement request instead of (or in addition to) using
>> the mailing list?
>>
>> You can find a mockup here:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2vqqmlj1k4msjx/LO_wireframe.pdf<
>> https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fp2vqqmlj1k4msjx%2FLO_wireframe.pdf&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEUGdCeKHQ5g_FaNvqyCuIvAUSXEw
>> >
>>
>> Excuse my poor artistic skills!
>>
>> PS: I'm willing to contribute code if there is interest in this kind of
>> changes, but would need some guidance.
>>
>>
>> Best.
>>
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> [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings
>



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[libreoffice-design] Behavioural questions

[Oskar Olsson]

Can I make a whiteboard for the icon sketches for the Version 4 features
page? Is there a template somewhere or do I just copy some other
whiteboard-page?

Is there any description on how to interact with the different whiteboard
topics? The different categories represent different levels of completion,
but what level? Can I add proposals to the shaping tentative design and
blueprint category or are they locked down?

Also, I have never use mailing lists before. Are there any guidelines on
how to use them? I tried to respond to mails I got but I don't know how
many people I am actually "talking" to.

regards/Oskar

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Design resource page

[Stefan Knorr]

Hi Oskar,

you can actually already download the LibreOffice palette, incidentally, it's on
a page belonging to the marketing team:
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources_3

As for doing mockups, some people like using "Pencil" [1], a Firefox addon which
includes UI elements for a number of OS's and most importantly squiggly-line UI
elements. The latter are usually better when trying to see if a design works at
all (it can be easy to gloss over potential UI problems with full-blown mock-
ups).
At the same time, I have been burned by Pencil before – I now can't open any of
the files I made about a year ago properly. So, if you wanted to invest the time
to prepare some standard squiggly lines (and additionally, maybe even some OS-
specific & detailed) UI elements, I think there'd be a market for that. :)


Astron.


[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/pencil/

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