Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles
Le 07/12/2013 22:11, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : > Arnaud, > > What would be Michel's readons to post pone the start center to the > 4.3? > > I am concerned that thls call to postpone is rooted in unrealistic > expectations and ultimately makes us lose time while demotivating > team members. Agreed, and whit Pedro explanations too. More it's really too late in the process, it's already implemented, localized, tested, advertised... To much work already done by the community to cancel it. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles
Arnaud, What would be Michel's readons to post pone the start center to the 4.3? I am concerned that thls call to postpone is rooted in unrealistic expectations and ultimately makes us lose time while demotivating team members. Best, Charles. Arnaud Versini a écrit : >Hi > >Just to be clear, Michel's idea is to postpone the new start center, >not >LibreOffice itself. > >Make the new startcenter as an experimental feature for example and to >be >default in 4.3 could be a solution. > > >2013/12/7 Pedro > >> Hi Michel >> >> >> Michel RENON wrote >> > IMHO, it's a bad decision : >> > it clearly means that the design is incomplete. >> > And it's not during the Beta phase that such work can be started. >> > >> > My suggestion is to postpone the start center for the 4.3 release. >> > It's possible because the current start center is still ok. >> > It will give you the minimum time to perform design and dev tasks >in a >> > calm way. People from QA, translation and documentation will also >> > appreciate. >> >> Postponing isn't going to happen. This is a Time based release >project. The >> criteria for release is not based on completeness. >> A second concept: this is not a democracy. It's a "do-ocracy". >> It also took me some time to realize that. >> I still haven't figured out if this the right way (fixes and >improvements >> occur much faster) or the wrong way (regressions creep in at the most >> unexpected places and scare users away, some features change from >release >> to >> release, etc)... >> You either accept this as it is or you are going to be disappointed . >> >> Just my 2 cents ;) >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> >http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Start-Center-Niggles-tp4085277p4087061.html >> Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >be >> deleted >> >> >-- >Arnaud Versini > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles
Hi Just to be clear, Michel's idea is to postpone the new start center, not LibreOffice itself. Make the new startcenter as an experimental feature for example and to be default in 4.3 could be a solution. 2013/12/7 Pedro > Hi Michel > > > Michel RENON wrote > > IMHO, it's a bad decision : > > it clearly means that the design is incomplete. > > And it's not during the Beta phase that such work can be started. > > > > My suggestion is to postpone the start center for the 4.3 release. > > It's possible because the current start center is still ok. > > It will give you the minimum time to perform design and dev tasks in a > > calm way. People from QA, translation and documentation will also > > appreciate. > > Postponing isn't going to happen. This is a Time based release project. The > criteria for release is not based on completeness. > A second concept: this is not a democracy. It's a "do-ocracy". > It also took me some time to realize that. > I still haven't figured out if this the right way (fixes and improvements > occur much faster) or the wrong way (regressions creep in at the most > unexpected places and scare users away, some features change from release > to > release, etc)... > You either accept this as it is or you are going to be disappointed . > > Just my 2 cents ;) > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Start-Center-Niggles-tp4085277p4087061.html > Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Arnaud Versini -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles
Hi Michel Michel RENON wrote > IMHO, it's a bad decision : > it clearly means that the design is incomplete. > And it's not during the Beta phase that such work can be started. > > My suggestion is to postpone the start center for the 4.3 release. > It's possible because the current start center is still ok. > It will give you the minimum time to perform design and dev tasks in a > calm way. People from QA, translation and documentation will also > appreciate. Postponing isn't going to happen. This is a Time based release project. The criteria for release is not based on completeness. A second concept: this is not a democracy. It's a "do-ocracy". It also took me some time to realize that. I still haven't figured out if this the right way (fixes and improvements occur much faster) or the wrong way (regressions creep in at the most unexpected places and scare users away, some features change from release to release, etc)... You either accept this as it is or you are going to be disappointed . Just my 2 cents ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Start-Center-Niggles-tp4085277p4087061.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
