[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Website Redesign - Beta
Hello Jean, Le Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:07:40 +1000, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com a écrit : On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: ... if anything, we should do ten times more marketing, and less facts. We are getting bored to hell with facts. People don't care about facts; they want something fun they can use and understand as fast as possible. They also want to be part of something, like a community, and they want meaning. Facts in place of marketing could kill Free Software, I could swear it. Perhaps so, but IMO the vast majority of our users and potential users have no interest in community or meaning or even fun -- they just want a great product that does what they want or need to do, and therefore they want facts. Obviously we see the world of software quite differently. (This may well be a generational thing, at least partly.) Your emphasis is on the production side; my interest and emphasis is on the consumption (user) side. Actually I don't believe we have that of a different view. We see the same issues from two different vantage points. It's not an either/or thing; you focus on the consuming side - we tried to improve that by orders of magnitude by getting rid of pages of text no one reads and make it simpler to grasp the idea - but we do have another specific objective, which is to improve and grow the community. In this sense the redesign has to meet these two goals. best, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website Redesign - Beta
Hi, Site looks pretty nice. Thanks for your work and sorry for late (no) feedback from me :( I strongly agree with Otto regarding to items 1 and 4. 21 Oca 2014 15:24 tarihinde Otto Kekäläinen o...@seravo.fi yazdı: Hi 2014/1/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: http://newdesign.libreoffice.org 1) Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots! Please put some clear, shiny and fancy screenshots. And trying to explains features with images is very easy and effective. What is Calc? Question can be answered as equivalent of Excel but it won't satisfy only users sees similarity with UI. Visualization of Charts, pivot tables, filters and functions gived them confidence. The thing is that LO is an office suite and not the one that people introduced first. Also look iwork site of Apple. Beautiful screenshots, great look of sample works gives the feeling that oh that's cool and i can make them easily. Impressive 4) Comparison to Microsoft Office This should be in the website. The question can it open ms office files is still the number 1. Having a main comparison table will help much. Best regards, Hope to have much time in near future -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website Redesign - Beta
2014/1/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: 1) Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots! Immediately when somebody visits libreoffice.org to find out about LibreOffice, they whould be presented with screenshots. In the carousel the first image should include screenshots so that people get a sense about what it would look like if they ran LibreOffice. When features are presented and explained, they should have screenshots to visualize the description. No. And by the way, have you checked out the website for Microsoft Office or Mozilla? Because there are either no screenshots, or they are stuck somewhere in a back menu. We'll lots of other examples like Skype, Photoshop, VLC and Blender have screenshots on either directly on front page or on a prominent Features or About page. [...] 3) More facts, less marketing For example the main page has a paragraph LibreOffice comes with a host of new features for its users as well as several important changes and improvements under the hood. It looks very good and I agree with the content, but in my experience people don't respond well to this kind of argumentation even in a marketing context. Rather mention a few features and deliver some facts of what LibreOffice actually does. I know, writing short and good text is difficult.. This portion can of course be changed. But if anything, we should do ten times more marketing, and less facts. We are getting bored to hell with facts. People don't care about facts; they want something fun they can use and understand as fast as possible. They also want to be part of something, like a community, and they want meaning. Facts in place of marketing could kill Free Software, I could swear it. Ok, maybe the term less marketing was a bad choice of words. I mean less fluff and more fact-based and convincing marketing. A very good example is http://www.blender.org/features/ which displays screenshots and facts (written with good marketing point of view). If MS Office users would read a similar page about LibreOffice they'd realize it is actully very feature full and the UI looks familiar and easy to use. - Otto -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Website Redesign - Beta
On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: ... if anything, we should do ten times more marketing, and less facts. We are getting bored to hell with facts. People don't care about facts; they want something fun they can use and understand as fast as possible. They also want to be part of something, like a community, and they want meaning. Facts in place of marketing could kill Free Software, I could swear it. Perhaps so, but IMO the vast majority of our users and potential users have no interest in community or meaning or even fun -- they just want a great product that does what they want or need to do, and therefore they want facts. Obviously we see the world of software quite differently. (This may well be a generational thing, at least partly.) Your emphasis is on the production side; my interest and emphasis is on the consumption (user) side. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Brussels Hackfest image HD
Hi Charles, Am 22.01.2014 17:21, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Hello, Anybody would have a higher resolution version for this image? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:BrusselsUXHackfest2014.png What resolution do you need? Maybe: https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/public.php?service=filest=1661f361f357fed3e1710246f59a6f28 -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: The purpose of Impress
Hi Marc, 2014/1/19 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Hi Mirek, Le 2014-01-19 08:45, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi guys, In order to be able to effectively design and shape the future of LibreOffice modules, it is imperative that we define what these modules are for. Knowing the purpose of each module will help us focus on doing one thing well and avoid counterproductive feature creep. Since, out of all the modules, Impress's purpose might be one of the clearest, let's start with it. My rough draft: The purpose of Impress is to make it simple and quick to craft a slide show to perfectly complement a speech. Please comment on this. I'd like to have the purpose decided on by the next IRC chat. Sure, it can be be this, however, it should stand on its own merits without the speech as well. In reality, most people will use it to complement their speeches but also usually post it on some form of media storage (cloud, website etc.) for people to download and to view themselves without any accompanying speech. So, sure, it can complement speech, BUT, it is usually intended to stand on its own merits for other people to read. I knew this was going to be brought up -- the word complement was chosen deliberately. Again, this is a question of focus. I'd really prefer to focus on creating the best speech complements rather than speech replacements, as, when given in conjunction with a speech, the latter tends to take focus away from the speech. If the slides are a full-on replacement, why is the presenter even there? Why not just autoplay the slides? That's not to say putting up only slides is worthless -- they often provide a good overview of the speech. That said, it's always better to provide the slides along with the talk (video or audio, or even transcript), and that tends to be the norm nowadays. As for having this discussion on the marketing list ... we can make of the Impress module whatever we decide, whether a fancy slideshow, support for speech, entertainment package, photo repository, etc. IMO, for design purposes, defining the Impress function discussion is fine on this list, but for the outside public, the marketing team should be putting on the descriptive face of Impress -- advertising as a one function module would not be in our best interest as it can serve many functions. Yes -- the marketing message is certainly up to you. :) Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: The purpose of Impress
Hi Owen, 2014/1/22 Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com mirek2 wrote My rough draft: The purpose of Impress is to make it simple and quick to craft a slide show to perfectly complement a speech. Please comment on this. Hi Mirek, I always think of the ancient Greek and Roman forum and the idea of appealing to the masses; reaching out to touch others. Taking an idea and projecting it, both larger and to a wider audience. Impress is a sort of amphitheatre for the mind and skywriting stylus for the hand. It enhances live communication by augmenting and clarifying the conveyance of an idea. The cliché would be to say it brings to life ... but please do not go there. Another aspect I suppose is the ability of Impress (being libre / open) to transform communities by helping them assert a sense of unencumbered identity and value. This is moreso the case with the presentation component than any other component in an office suite. I personally feel this is an undersold aspect of much libre / open software. Community is another important aspect. Both are points of distinction from commercial products. It is unsurprising that Apple promotes simple and beautiful as those are their hallmarks. The Prezi statement is more interesting, focusing as it does on enabling and conversations. I realise my offering here is all more marketing than features, such as the quick and simple in your original rough draft. I will be interested to see whether the overview / mission statement for Impress ends up being more marketing or feature based. My offering: Impress is a projector for your mind. Transform personal ideas effortlessly into visually compelling presentations for your community. I like this idea, but more as a marketing message than a design goal. The problems I see with it as a design goal: a) I'd like to keep the audience generic, not limited to your community. b) I'd like to keep the topic generic, not limited to personal ideas. c) As stated in my previous message, I'd prefer to focus on complementing speeches rather than replacing them. It sounds like your definition leans toward the latter. Tell me if you disagree with any of these points, though. Kind regards, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-purpose-of-Impress-tp4092904p4093386.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: The purpose of Impress
mirek2 wrote I like this idea, but more as a marketing message than a design goal. The problems I see with it as a design goal: a) I'd like to keep the audience generic, not limited to your community. b) I'd like to keep the topic generic, not limited to personal ideas. c) As stated in my previous message, I'd prefer to focus on complementing speeches rather than replacing them. It sounds like your definition leans toward the latter. Tell me if you disagree with any of these points, though. No disagreement. I am probably, as several others have commented, struggling with the design goal aspect. I will have a further think about it in UI / UX / behavioural, rather than tool capability, terms. I knew my response was more marketing, and indicated as much. Kind regards, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-purpose-of-Impress-tp4092904p4093583.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
