[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Holesovsky
* Present: Heiko, Hillar, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Steve
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
+ 'More Options' for insert table, 'More Fields' for insert field
  and 'More Styles' for styles drop down
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
+ Samuel: Create an easy hack - describe what tables should be
  striped, and how to do that in the code
+ Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF
 
* UI changes integrated the last week (Samuel):
 
+ [last week] Changed the Insert Field button to dropdown-only:
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84550

+ Do we want a split button?
+ originally opened the dialog
+ then changed that the default action inserted the page
  number
+ comes from the Insert toolbar update - where he was
  creating group buttons (Jay)
+ probably the situation is here a bit different - the
  functionality more distributed (Samuel)
+ stats: insert page number 50%, date 15%, More... 15%,
  page count 10%, time 5%
+ now similar to the table - changed to just drop down only
+ like that it is similar to the table (Kendy)
+ problem with the icon
+ not descriptive (Jay)
+ not an issue to have the Page icon, if that's the most
  used functionality anyway, and then have it first in
  the list (Kendy)

AI  + Conclusion: Update the icon, and keep the dropdown (Jay)

+ [last week] Styles dropdown

+ Previews the background color too now
+ Changes font color when it's too close to the background color
+ Flat menu button - just the triangle is shown, button on
  mouse-over
+ should styles also show text alignment, as it would be useful
  when the drop down is added to the sidebar? (Jay)
+ tricky question :-)
+ it is a small dropdown - so wouldn't be much visible (Samuel)
+ punt after it's in the sidebar? (Jay)
+ sounds it could be usable (Heiko)

+ Conclusion: Will not block a patch for that if somebody
  implements this - but not a priority for the moment

+ [last week] Styles+Formatting floating dialog removed, will now
  always open in the Sidebar (as the Gallery)
+ what happens when when the sidebar is not visible? (Kendy)
+ it will open the sidebar (Samuel)
+ there's a small bug if you hide the sidebar a special way,
  then it will not show up (Samuel)
+ but bug filed (Jay)

+ [this week] hiding of paragraph level background color button in
  formatting toolbar (Jay)

+ Jay hid it in 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=affe79b5a920a2aa0bc284e918c96aa0379c5efb
  and Kendy enabled it in 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bb29c5723a6053476b6f398c8550b2a839aa07fc
+ reasoning for its hiding
+ most users do not set paragraph level background color, as
  it colors more than the space taken up by characters
+ users will be confused between character background color
  (aka highlight) and paragraph background color (aka
  background color)
+ other word processors that dont have paragraph color in
  toolbar/sidebar - iwork pages, abiword, wps/kingsoft
  writer, calligra words, wordperfect, ms word 2003, google
  docs
+ most S/W don't have the func to set the paragraph color
  that anyway (Jay)
+ confusing - 3 buttons; what each of them does? (Jay)
+ it is wrongly labeled - it's a paragraph color (Jay)
+ the highlighting is confusing too - it is not what Word
  has as the 'Highlight' feature (Kendy)
+ concern about hiding functionality - if it is used, we'll
  get fire ;-) (Kendy)
+ it aligns better with the 1st row of buttons when hidden (Jay)
+ looks better
+ http://i.imgur.com/keUX5SK.png vs. 
http://i.imgur.com/8IMHRzp.png

AI  + Conclusion: Kendy will try to see how hard it is to turn
  the 3 spacing buttons to 1 dropdown, keep the background
  color for now, and measure.
+ there is a drop-down already in the sidebar (Samuel)
+ good, will try to re-use that (Kendy)

AI  + Heiko: File a bug about better description of tooltip (sidebar - spacing).
+ Increase Spacing should be Increase Paragraph Spacing,
  same for decrease

* Removal of cut, copy, paste buttons from writer's standard toolbar (Jay)

+ https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84909
+ No way before we measure this ;-) (Kendy)
+ in MSO, Paste is 

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15

2014-10-16 Thread K-J LibreOffice

Am 16.10.2014 um 11:37 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:

 + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF


I started to work on it.
But I think we should leave some content on redmine to describe what 
happen in redmine.



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