[libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers
hello everyone, first of all thanx for your great effort! I have been using libre office for many years and it has improved a lot since then. I have been working on user interfaces in the past and I just thought you might appreciate a few thoughts that could potentially help improve the libre office UI. In fact, I have done a little comparison of libre office calc and numbers (osx). Based on that, here are a few suggestions: divide options into managable groups. do not show all options at the same time. instead organize them in sections work with tabs avoid strong color contrasts. the human eye isn’t made for it. avoid black on white background, use grey shades instead (dark grey on light grey is highly recommended) avoid bold text in strong colors such as black and red avoid colors in general, unless used to highlight something. this helps the user to focus on the important matters. only use colors to highlight the current state of a text/cell (e.g. the checkbox „Tausendertrennzeichen“ should be in color if it is active for the marked cell, otherwise it should be grey) do use colors for color options, obviously. combine related buttons in groups (see e.g. the button group „Ausrichtung“) this way the UI is less clustered and easier to comprehend. hide unnecessary design elements. as we all know, good design is as little design as possible. only show indicators when they are actually needed (see the two screenshots with color option below) avoid additional external formating menus with ever more options. instead work with tabs and control buttons within the sidebar framework (see last screenshot below) avoid scrollbars if they seem necessary, then this is a sign that there is already too much information if a scrollbar is needed, hide it until the user actually starts scrolling hope this is of any help. If you have any questions go ahaid. In any case, thanx again for your effort! best wishes, roland comparison of formating panels: numbers vs. libre office While libre office shows all options in one place, numbers breakes them down into logical and more comprenhensible sections. color option: mouse over color option: -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New time for Design Call
Hi, Samuel Mehrbrodt píše v St 18. 11. 2015 v 19:05 +: > we have set up a survey for a new time for our weekly Design Call: > > http://doodle.com/poll/d4b628cgxanrvmka > > Anyone interested in joining the call, please enter your preferred times > there until next Wednesday's Meeting (Nov 25th, 19:00 CET). Thank you all who have participated in the doodle! The new meeting time based on that is every Friday, 14:00 CET. I look forward to seeing you there :-) All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-11-25 + meeting time change: Friday, 14:00 CET
Note: the next meeting is _this_ Friday, 14:00 CET * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy * UI changes integrated the last week: + toolbar improvements (Samuel) + Save As to the Save dropdown (Samuel) + add Open Remote File to the start center (Samuel) + Save button becomes drop-down only when Save disabled (Maxim) + store sidebar element states (Laurent) + .ui improvements (Adolfo) * Update the meeting time (Kendy) + New meeting time: Fridays, 14:00 CET (13:00 UTC) + starting this week already! * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet + draft now in the blog, please check it * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/ + now syndicated to planet.documentfoundation.org too (Heiko) + Heiko walked us through the wp interface - hot to post new blog post etc. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-11-18
[the meeting on 11th was cancelled] * Present: Cor, Heiko, Kendy, Samuel * UI changes integrated the last two weeks: + form-related controls ta insert and tools menu (Jay) + hierarchical organization of slide transitions (Tor) + and new slide transitions (Tor, Tomaž) + title for image export options dialog (Jay) + fix accelerators in start center (Kendy) + loading .svg images from image resources (Tomaž) + "hide whitespace" improvements (Ashod) + new Outline button (Maxim) + missing an icon + context menu customization (Maxim) + new PopupLabel property for uno commands (Maxim) + new TooltipLabel property for uno commands (Samuel) + shortcut keys missing in undo and redo tooltips (Samuel) + tdf#34882 Adding hex and decimal code search (Steve Hart) + Impress: Rework the way the display modes are presented (Philippe) * Update the meeting time (Kendy) + Please fill the Doodle until the next meeting (Wed 25th, November 2015): http://doodle.com/poll/d4b628cgxanrvmka * Table styles (Kendy) + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy) + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing + pending publishing + some thing still can be discussed * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/ + now set up, admins, thank you! + Heiko, Jay, Kendy have the credentials + Heiko can start writing a post + how to reference the author etc.? (Heiko) + not possible to have a named posting (Heiko) + best to poke the admins - awerner set this up for us (Kendy) + will ask for some plugins that will be useful (Heiko) * Bug discussions + none this week * NotebookBar (Samuel) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar + screenshot - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/Notebookbar-writer.png + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy) + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file + an optional thing for users (Samuel) + menus + toolbars the default + now in master, but hidden via an env. variable (Kendy) + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko) + eg. grouping + possible with Notebookbar + eg. http://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.0.7/#!/example/toolbar/toolbars.html ? + loading the toolbars from glade (.ui) instead of .xcu files + this will probably remove the possibility to make the toolbars floating (Kendy) + but that is good (Cor, Kendy) + can have more sets of toolbars with this (Cor) + Will have a friday session on NotebookBar topic on Fr 27th + Please have a look at the following links until then: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar#Resources * Help updating (Kendy) + released a new release (Kendy) + online modification prototype (Jay) + Liongold on IRC working on that + will share that with Jay, and can iterate + need a VM from the infra to host the prototype + will create another ticket for this (Jay) https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1584 + would be great to put the code to a repository (Kendy) + dev-tools (some subdir there) (Kendy) + or a new repo - eg. on github as a start? (Kendy) + dev-tools preferred though + help-related meta bugs: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580 * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + icons for slide transitions needed (Kendy) + 32pixel sifr icons + first 2 from Pappamatti + reminded him to push svg too (Jay) + to use the Tomaž's code + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + Integrating it into the options dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95014 + add a "extra large" entry + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay) + Samuel will look at one of them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866 + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango + g
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Icons + legends for Slide Transition selector for 5.1 ...
Hi Jay, On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 18:12 +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > Just to update you that Andreas and I will be working on it. Wonderful news =) thanks for that ! > Would be useful to sort the transition list (tdf#87613), with None at > the beginning and Random at the bottom, similar to the patch Tor wanted > to push in before moving the variants into their own drop down menu. > https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19648/ I have no view at all; but I'm sure it can be improved. The big remaining thing there I think was splitting out the tooltips from the legends - which (IIRC) needed some more ValueSet API, and some punching through from the XML to the UI to propagate them, so the translators don't get too frustrated by the need to be brief there =) Currently, I'm trying to improve interactivity rather a lot by tweaking the main-loop to process idle events only when idle; seems promising so far... but not working on this. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
