[libreoffice-design] AOO's New Template Site
Hi Andreas, Came across this link today and decided to share it with you. http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/ Yousuf -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Am alternative print range selection algorithm
Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote on 03-02-16 14:19: >>> A question that came to my mind: Should we place the "print empty pages" >>> setting more prominently on the general page near the range selection >>> ... > Guess I should talk about it in the design meeting on Friday. See this issue BTW: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94343 > Did I mention I want most stuff in LO 5.0, our next LO release ;-) Nice! > P.S. Printing is generally problematic on Linux. Don't know how many > bugs we fixed, also in KDE / Qt and Gtk+, and a colleague developed > https://bitbucket.org/haftmann/macchiato There's quite a bunch of issues in Bugzilla. But - just checked the list again - many related to custom paper size, setting or finding that option.. So I closed some, and intend to do that with some more, as duplicates. (From what I remember there is one bug (# ?) that a certain page size setting converts always to a default size in the driver) -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Am alternative print range selection algorithm
Hi Cor, Am 03.02.2016 um 12:21 schrieb Cor Nouws: > Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote on 02-02-16 19:29: > >> A question that came to my mind: Should we place the "print empty pages" >> setting more prominently on the general page near the range selection >> like the reverse order checkbox, as it directly affects the print range >> selection? > > Yes, would be a good improvement IMO. Guess I should talk about it in the design meeting on Friday. > FYI: there was an extensive discussion reg. printing/the dialog. > Mainly focussed on the trouble to override document settings > and print on a paper size specified by a printer. > > few mails from that: > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07254.html > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07327.html > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07326.html That's also one of our bugs, but I didn't follow that discussion closely. Did I mention I want most stuff in LO 5.0, our next LO release ;-) ATB Jan-Marek P.S. Printing is generally problematic on Linux. Don't know how many bugs we fixed, also in KDE / Qt and Gtk+, and a colleague developed https://bitbucket.org/haftmann/macchiato P.S.S. And then there is Qt5, with statement like Qt5 having minimal printing support and "Anyone interested in funding development should contact...", https://wiki.qt.io/Qt-5-QtPrint - We have two more years until our first K*5 roll-out, so (enough?) time to fix stuff (or to switch DE?) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Am alternative print range selection algorithm
Just to make this more clear: 1. The print preview (Ctrl + Shift + o) is just a other view of the document, and doesn't open a dialog 2. The print dialog (Ctrl + p), which contains a little preview too. Am 02.02.2016 um 20:38 schrieb V Stuart Foote: > @jmux, * > > Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote >> Now there is the nit-pick, that the page number isn't adjusted, if the >> user changes the "print empty pages" setting. We also don't adapt the >> page range when toggling the "print empty pages setting". I guess that >> would be much more work. > > As displayed on the Status bar while in Normal view, and in the Print > Preview mode--right? No. I was just talking about the print dialog, where you can select the range of printed documents. As I read your bug, it was about the print dialog. > But we also have another "nit-pick" related issue with the Navigator, and > its linked "Jump to Specific Page" box in the Print Preview dialog. When > Navigating/jumping to one of the blank pages, it gets lost and ends up on > the first page. That's also not a new problem from the patch, but when I looked for the crash I originally thought it was related. And I actually can't use the scroll wheel correctly - just load the odt from https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=122351 The scroll bar says it scrolls to page 83, but it actually stops at page 41. This also happens in LO 4.1. >> A question that came to my mind: Should we place the "print empty pages" >> setting more prominently on the general page near the range selection >> like the reverse order checkbox, as it directly affects the print range >> selection? > > Where? (1) on the Print dialog--where the range selection, reverse order are > located, and *exposed for selection to every print job*; or (2) more > generically as a setting in the Tools -> Options -> Print panel? Could be > either of those as opposed to the Tools -> Options -> Writer -> Print: Other > section, where it resides now and is a Writer only configuration. > > But, not the Tools -> Options General tab. Yup (1). It's already in the print dialog on the "LibreOffice Writer" page. I just want to move it to the general page in the "range and copies" area. I'm not referring to any settings here. Obviously we would have to hide it for non-writer documents, as the general page is AFAIK also used in all other LO programs, which don't have an "hidden empty page problem". >> OTOH this is a Writer only setting. We can still show and hide it on the >> general page, depending on the calling document / application. But >> probably it's also not needed? > > Yes. But again, you mean for the Print dialog and not one of the Tools -> > Options panels? Yup (1) Jan-Marek -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Am alternative print range selection algorithm
Hi Jan-Marek, Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote on 02-02-16 19:29: > A question that came to my mind: Should we place the "print empty pages" > setting more prominently on the general page near the range selection > like the reverse order checkbox, as it directly affects the print range > selection? Yes, would be a good improvement IMO. FYI: there was an extensive discussion reg. printing/the dialog. Mainly focussed on the trouble to override document settings and print on a paper size specified by a printer. few mails from that: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07254.html http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07327.html http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07326.html Thanks for you work on this! Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Survey about Libreoffice Draw
Hi, in my point of view Draw is an vector graphic application. Didn't know that you can do some pixel graphic edit stuff. maybe some color and crop filters but this things are available in writer too. In an office suite I don't need something like inkscape, but I would need something like make same example drawings and flow charts (like MS Visio) or for pdf import and manipulation. Generate some vector graphics together with base would be a nice feature for advanced users. As MS Visio is not avaiblable in the standard MS Office package and you have to by an additional (not to cheep) licence it would be a unique selling point for LibreOffice. In the Office you have a lot of pdf files, sometimes you want to change something (remove an paragraph, ...) or draw an chart. For foto (pixel graphics) you ordinary don't open base. maybe when you import the picture in writer but there you have your pictur manipulatin stuff. It's an drawing programm for an office suite so the focus would be what do you do in your office. I'm happy that you look after an vision for Draw Andreas Kainz 2016-02-03 11:54 GMT+01:00 Jan-Marek Glogowski : > Hi, > > just as an other data point I want to give you some information, why we > (as City of Munich) added Calligra Flow to edit flowcharts / ODG based > flow diagrams. > > We originally used Kivio in KDE3 and 1 1/2 years ago we were faced with > the problem, that users had a lot of Kivio files, which weren't readable > by any other program then Kivio, As Kivio was part of KOffice, it wasn't > available for KDE4 and long dead. > > In the end we wrote a converter to convert kivio to odg. This works > great for us, but we saw two main problems with Draw: > > 1. Bug 83360, which effected the result of our converted output > 2. A much larger standard symbol set in Flow for technical diagrams > > From my personal POV, which is of a non-user of these tool, LO probably > just needs an additional interface preset for Flow charts, and a new > "new filetype", just like the special wizards for labels, business cards > etc., and save this custom setting in the odg file. > > Just defaulting to an open gallery side bar and enabling the grid makes > Draw look much like known Flow charting programs like MS Visio or Kivio, > which people feel already familiar with. > > I didn't check the licenses of dia and calligra flow clip art galleries. > That even may be a good collaboration point and is probably easily fixable. > > HTH > > Jan-Marek > > P.S. I don't see the online searchable, extension based openclipart > gallery as an alternative to a well defined, integrated flowchart > gallery set. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Survey about Libreoffice Draw
Hi, just as an other data point I want to give you some information, why we (as City of Munich) added Calligra Flow to edit flowcharts / ODG based flow diagrams. We originally used Kivio in KDE3 and 1 1/2 years ago we were faced with the problem, that users had a lot of Kivio files, which weren't readable by any other program then Kivio, As Kivio was part of KOffice, it wasn't available for KDE4 and long dead. In the end we wrote a converter to convert kivio to odg. This works great for us, but we saw two main problems with Draw: 1. Bug 83360, which effected the result of our converted output 2. A much larger standard symbol set in Flow for technical diagrams From my personal POV, which is of a non-user of these tool, LO probably just needs an additional interface preset for Flow charts, and a new "new filetype", just like the special wizards for labels, business cards etc., and save this custom setting in the odg file. Just defaulting to an open gallery side bar and enabling the grid makes Draw look much like known Flow charting programs like MS Visio or Kivio, which people feel already familiar with. I didn't check the licenses of dia and calligra flow clip art galleries. That even may be a good collaboration point and is probably easily fixable. HTH Jan-Marek P.S. I don't see the online searchable, extension based openclipart gallery as an alternative to a well defined, integrated flowchart gallery set. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
