Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01

[Wols Lists]

On 11/04/16 10:24, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote:
> On 04/05/2016 05:38 PM, Wols Lists wrote:
>> Just seen this - one little comment ...
>>
>> "Prefer graphical widgets in favor of controls that require the input of
>> an exact value (e.g. an image’s transparency with discrete steps via
>> sliders)."
>>
>> I'm not sure how appropriate it is in these circumstances, but one of
>> the things that drives me up the wall with guis is how you're forced to
>> use sliders/mice so much. A graphical widget should have a button that
>> converts it into an input window - eg I sometimes want to enter colours
>> as pantones.
>>
>> Most people are visual. Most people prefer sliders. Just remember that
>> some of us don't ... :-) That's why I'm a WordPerfect fan - it's so easy
>> to use an input dialog that plonks things *exactly* where you want them
>> rather than dragging and hoping you've dropped it in the right place :-)
> 
> Though we will be introducing more graphical widgets, they will be
> accompanied by regular input fields that users can view/input the exact
> value. E.g. the transparency slider and spinbox field in the area
> content panel.
> 
That's great. It's just that sometimes us text people get forgotten :-(

It would be nice if it's explicitly stated in the guidelines that the
presence of such text-box entry fields should be a MANDATORY option
(where they make sense, of course). It's fine for them to be tucked
away, but they need to be there.

(And I'm minded of a story about MS-Access. Because everything was
visual, this guy thought "hey, you can't visualise this relational
concept. Can you do it in Access? Probably not!" and he was right.
Probably Joe Celko.)

Cheers,
Wol


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01

[Yousuf 'Jay' Philips]

On 04/05/2016 05:38 PM, Wols Lists wrote:

Just seen this - one little comment ...

"Prefer graphical widgets in favor of controls that require the input of
an exact value (e.g. an image’s transparency with discrete steps via
sliders)."

I'm not sure how appropriate it is in these circumstances, but one of
the things that drives me up the wall with guis is how you're forced to
use sliders/mice so much. A graphical widget should have a button that
converts it into an input window - eg I sometimes want to enter colours
as pantones.

Most people are visual. Most people prefer sliders. Just remember that
some of us don't ... :-) That's why I'm a WordPerfect fan - it's so easy
to use an input dialog that plonks things *exactly* where you want them
rather than dragging and hoping you've dropped it in the right place :-)


Though we will be introducing more graphical widgets, they will be 
accompanied by regular input fields that users can view/input the exact 
value. E.g. the transparency slider and spinbox field in the area 
content panel.



Cheers,
Wol


Yousuf

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Results from the Draw Survey

[Heiko Tietze]

2016-04-10 15:51 GMT+02:00 toki :
> Is the only locale in the survey « EN »?

We run some of the previous studies localized. Even Chinese was
included in one of the surveys. The problem is that not only waiting
for the translation team heavily reduces the velocity but also the
analysis of free text answers needs language expertise. On the other
hand I guess it wouldn't be only me having scientific interest in the
comparison of different cultures.

>I'm finally creating a comprehensive list of use-cases.

UX team decided to compile the results into a couple of bugs. Maybe we
can work together.

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