Re: [libreoffice-design] Numbering & Bullets

[Regina Henschel]

Hello Heiko,

Heiko Tietze schrieb:

You answer on the ML without reference to the GDoc proposal where most of the 
issues should be solved.


The proposal is about a new dialog. But I want to show those problems, 
which cannot be solved by a new dialog.


 Hope I didn't mess up with the approval (everyone is allowed to comment).

And you talk about character style and not paragraph, right?


No, it is not about character style, but all about lists. It is only 
about our current UI.


 Otherwise it's a bug since ODF talks explicitly about the first.

I do not understand your comment.

Kind regards
Regina



On 04/04/2017 11:02 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Heiko,

I think there are some things, which need more than a new dialog:

There exists a lot of paragraph styles named "Numbering" and "List",
but they have no connection to the corresponding list styles.

It is possible to set a paragraph style to an outline level and
connect it with a list style. But the list level is not bind to the
outline level. (You need this kind of outline heading, if you give an
appendix an ABC outline numbering and your text has a 123 outline
numbering.)

The numbered items in a text box do not build a list, so that
changing the level of one item will not adapt the other numbers. The
numbering dialog for a text box seems to be the same, but the
position concept is different.

The presentation object "Outline text" has a strange mix of
hierarchical styles, settings for numbering and bullets, but no
"position". You need to set the position in each item individually.
Here too the position concept is different from Writer.

It is very confusing (in Writer), that with the cursor in a heading,
assigning a list style, or using "Bullets and Numbering" from the
context menu, or clicking on the symbols in the toolbar, do very
different things to the heading.

Kind regards Regina

Heiko Tietze schrieb:

Hello all,

we have many tickets regarding numbering & bullets and outlines.
The problem has also a high relevance in the Nantes user
interviews, not knowing the details though.

Good time to think about a different solution:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-6zkZl5LiICnUILhv1CfIHIdyQFyTJKp7XGST5zq5U




The proposal was made having the new area fill style dialog in mind

where three columns make a) the selection from pre- and
user-defined options simple, b) users get a full overview of all
settings, and c) preview shows how it looks in the end. The old
numbering logic is turned upside down a bit making the list styles
predominant as the preset. And since users may not be aware of the
different types, the numbering, bullets, and outline are merged
together.

All comments are welcome- and we should have a design session
eventually.

Cheers, Heiko









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Re: [libreoffice-design] Updated LibreOffice donate page on website for beautifying

[jan]

Hi,

To get the grasp of it I recreated a version similar to yours, using the
elements I already had:

imgur.com/a/XxFhK

I find it nice that it reads more natural ("once 10€");
I found it to need more space vertically than the other version in order
to make the grouping of the steps clear.

Which performs better could be a good question for an AB-test.

Jan


Am 03.04.2017 um 20:11 schrieb Anxhelo Lushka:
> Hi, I also made a version that I think might be easier for the user to
> go through
> 
> http://imgur.com/AQQXLRQ
> 
> Opinions are welcome :)
> 
> 
> On 04/03/2017 07:30 PM, jan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Next iteration: http://imgur.com/a/zyPNq
>>
>> 1) PayPal/Currencies: The button will gray out and have "No Paypal for
>> selected Currency" on it. (Font needs to be a bit smaller, but it works)
>> Note, that the PayPal Button swapped place with credit card so it aligns
>> with the currency dropdown, so the connection is (hopefully) clear.
>>
>> 2) Repeated Donations: I added a dropdown.
>>
>> 3) Text was added
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 03.04.2017 um 13:22 schrieb Mike Saunders:
>>> Hi Jan, Heiko,
>>>
>>> Firstly Jan, thanks a lot for your mockups! Great work.
>>>
>>> On 02/04/2017 20:50, jan wrote:
 Based on Heikos ideas (or at least how I understood them)
 here a super simple version: http://imgur.com/a/jxYK7
>>> I like that, and the previous (slightly more complex version). Note that
>>> there are a few things we do need to keep in the design, namely:
>>>
>>> 1) "(currencies marked with * are also available via PayPal)" - or we
>>> disable PayPal when certain currencies are checked, but that may be
>>> confusing without an explanation
>>>
>>> 2) Yearly/quarterly/monthly recurring payment options - at least at the
>>> start, while we do our testing. This could be a drop-down box.
>>>
>>> 3) The text saying why it's important to donate (like in
>>> http://imgur.com/a/IVMEj and my mockup). We could, of course, put it
>>> above the donate box itself.
>>>
>>> So a compromise between http://imgur.com/a/IVMEj and the simpler design
>>> would make the most sense, I feel. Thanks again Jan for your work!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
> 
> 


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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Mascot

[Cal 727apps]

Heiko/all,
I am a big fan of freedom, openness, collaboration & the kinds of things
that Libre Open Office and open source stands for. That said, a lot of the
logos did look a bit cartoonish, kiddy cartoonish to me, which is not good.

I am a big fan of the Seabiscuit horse. (Credits: Laura Hillenbrand),as
well as Tux (the penguin) and more recently Kali Linux logos, which looks
fierce.

In any event, here are some suggestions:
1) pitch the idea to Vint at Google & see what he suggests. he is the
"Father of the Internet" and a mentor for my makerspace project.

2) I like the image of the Phoenix, sort of like the cat with 9 lives,
except the Phoenix goes down in flames & arises again every 500 years or so
:-)

I feel the Phoenix symbol (will send in next email) is very powerful,
elegant and symbolic of the upstart, little guy seeking a competitive edge.

Pls google up phoenix meanwhile.

Thanks, Cal
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On Mar 31, 2017 3:51 AM, "Heiko Tietze"  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> additional to the unique branding of LibreOffice today, we want to
> introduce an alternative to TDF's trademarked logo/icon elements that can
> be used by the community with minimal restrictions: a mascot.
>
> The idea is similar to "Duke" from Java (https://kenai.com/projects/
> duke/pages/Home), SuSE's chameleon "Geeko", Mozilla has a
> lizard/godzilla/tyrannosaurus, Linux' "Tux" is famous, KDE is going with
> the dragon "Konqi" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqi) and Krita has
> "Kiki" (https://krita.org/en/kiki/).
>
> The first step would be to find some metaphors that enables designs to be
> creative. Something like Freedom, Documents, Openness etc. Ideas for the
> realization are of course also welcome. The mascot could be an animal like
> a (grumpy old) cat to refer to the seven lives of LibreOffice or something
> more symbolic.
>
> Based on your input we would later start the actual design task, and
> ideally have a few options where the community can choose the best.
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Mascot

[Heiko Tietze]

Great idea! Easy to name, broad associations, and beautiful artwork
including tatoos (for those who really love the product) and sticker
pins. Unfortunately there is http://www.dragonflybsd.org/images/
(never heard before). Challenge for designer to make it look
different?

2017-04-04 11:18 GMT+02:00 K-J LibreOffice :
> Hi all,
> what do you think about a dragonfly (odonata) [1], [2]. Carl von Linné
> called it: "Libellula" and so we get to "LibO".
>
> It is an animal which we can find all over the world (except Antarctica).
>
> "They are fast, agile fliers, sometimes migrating across oceans [...] They
> are symbols of courage, strength, and happines [...]". [1]
>
> "Dragonflies are strong fliers with fairly robust bodies" [2]
> "Dragonflies are powerful and agile fliers, capable of migrating across
> oceans, moving in any direction, and changing direction suddenly. In flight,
> the adult dragonfly can propel itself in six directions: upward, downward,
> forward, back, to left and to right.
> [...] The wings are powered directly, with the flight muscles attached to
> the wing bases. Dragonflies have a high power/weight ratio, and have been
> documented accelerating at 4 G linearly and 9 G in sharp turns while
> pursuing prey.["
>
> They are beautiful with many different colours.
> They are grown up from larvae (OOO).
> They are predators (@Cor).
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odonata
>
>
>
>
> Am 04.04.2017 um 08:55 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
>>
>> 2017-04-04 1:48 GMT+02:00 Tim-L--Elmira-NY :
>>>
>>> For me, I keep thinking that LO is slowly working to take on various
>>> platforms.  So far, LO has taken over Linux's platforms from
>>> OpenOffice.org
>>> - from day one.  Then Windows and Mac platforms came quickly.  Although
>>> LO
>>> has not made really much headway against MS Office, to me it seems LO is
>>> slowly gaining a market share a little at a time. LO is working on an
>>> Android version and later I do not doubt Apple's IOS will see a version.
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a cute virus :-)
>> (Such a mascot would have the added value of being a massage ball)
>>
>> As an intermediate state, the metaphors we do have so far:
>>
>> * Freedom (dove like bird, though occupied by Apache OpenOffice; and
>> disliked by some)
>> * Speed/Improvement (fast birds)
>> * (Smart and not aggressive) Hunter (bird of prey, raptor)
>> * Intelligence (Weimeraner dog on G+ "good hunter and faithful pet but
>> requires lots of exercise")
>> * Openness
>> * Documents/Wisdom (Owl)
>> * Cuteness / Seven lives (Big? grumpy? kitten or puppy dog)
>> * Speed (Horse, though used by EuroOffice; and disliked by some)
>>
>> That's a pretty good basis for skilled designers. Anything else?
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Mascot

[K-J LibreOffice]

Hi all,
what do you think about a dragonfly (odonata) [1], [2]. Carl von Linné 
called it: "Libellula" and so we get to "LibO".


It is an animal which we can find all over the world (except Antarctica).

"They are fast, agile fliers, sometimes migrating across oceans [...] 
They are symbols of courage, strength, and happines [...]". [1]


"Dragonflies are strong fliers with fairly robust bodies" [2]
"Dragonflies are powerful and agile fliers, capable of migrating across 
oceans, moving in any direction, and changing direction suddenly. In 
flight, the adult dragonfly can propel itself in six directions: upward, 
downward, forward, back, to left and to right.
[...] The wings are powered directly, with the flight muscles attached 
to the wing bases. Dragonflies have a high power/weight ratio, and have 
been documented accelerating at 4 G linearly and 9 G in sharp turns 
while pursuing prey.["


They are beautiful with many different colours.
They are grown up from larvae (OOO).
They are predators (@Cor).


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odonata



Am 04.04.2017 um 08:55 schrieb Heiko Tietze:

2017-04-04 1:48 GMT+02:00 Tim-L--Elmira-NY :

For me, I keep thinking that LO is slowly working to take on various
platforms.  So far, LO has taken over Linux's platforms from OpenOffice.org
- from day one.  Then Windows and Mac platforms came quickly.  Although LO
has not made really much headway against MS Office, to me it seems LO is
slowly gaining a market share a little at a time. LO is working on an
Android version and later I do not doubt Apple's IOS will see a version.


Sounds like a cute virus :-)
(Such a mascot would have the added value of being a massage ball)

As an intermediate state, the metaphors we do have so far:

* Freedom (dove like bird, though occupied by Apache OpenOffice; and
disliked by some)
* Speed/Improvement (fast birds)
* (Smart and not aggressive) Hunter (bird of prey, raptor)
* Intelligence (Weimeraner dog on G+ "good hunter and faithful pet but
requires lots of exercise")
* Openness
* Documents/Wisdom (Owl)
* Cuteness / Seven lives (Big? grumpy? kitten or puppy dog)
* Speed (Horse, though used by EuroOffice; and disliked by some)

That's a pretty good basis for skilled designers. Anything else?




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