Re: [libreoffice-design] Branding for release 7

2019-12-14 Thread Rizal Muttaqin

Hello,
Thank you Pedro Rosmaninho for your appreciation and also to all 
community members.


For whom may it want to see my splash screen proposal for 7 release 
here's the link:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Ideas#By_Rizal_Muttaqin

On 09/12/19 05.17, William Gathoye (LibreOffice) wrote:

Hello everyone,

On 20/11/2019 10:31, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:

I would love to see the splash screen designed by Rizal being used.
Do you have a link leading to Rizal's propositions?



Also, from my side, even if I know we won't be changing the artwork
before version 7, the sooner we can get rid of the current triangle
artwork, the better.

 From the LibreOfficeFR channel, I have received lots of complain about
them. Don't forget the splashscreen loader is the very first image
someone installing/launching LibreOffice for the first will see.

Heiko, I know we spoken in person about this topic at the last FOSDEM,
but I remember during these 6.x series, there was some open contest
about the artwork and unfortunately the one we didn't want to have has
been chosen (the triangle version). This time, better to restrict the
final choice to the community. I have worked in a startup for 5 years
where some communication work was being made and the client always ended
up choosing the solution that shouldn't be used/the least appealing :(

Regards,



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[libreoffice-design] Re: User noise.

2019-12-14 Thread paul hofseth

Sir,

thanks, for your clear exposition and direct, insightsful and relevant 
comments. As you will see from my initial posting , I suspected that as 
one user proposing possibly atypical improvements  my comments would and 
should be perceived as noise.


It seems, however  that  priorities are lacking,except if your aim is to 
maximize the number of active contributors, rather than to create the 
most efficient programs


I maintain my view that colours and signage is thoroughly trivial, in 
the sense that as long as the typeface is visible they can be safely 
ignored in favour  of content.


I also  accept that codingskills may be lacking in order to rectify my 
possibly irrelevant pet gripes (although they are actually hindering my 
dailty work).


Yes, as with other open software. lots of voluntary work is put in, only 
occasionally supported by small donations  from some such as myself,


However, not setting overriding priorities and selecting among them, 
while maintaning that superfluous voluntary work through fiddling with 
less useful aspects is valuable,  is key to unsucessful strategies.


(I am troroughly unqualified as a progarmmer since my superficial 
experienxce is from building a machine in 1960 to deal with Boolean 
expressions + learning "Algol" and reading Shannon, Wiener and Minsky at 
university, but I do have some experience in settting out and converting 
strategic aims into action).


Good luck with focussing on OO improvements , I will cease to distract 
you with usage comments !


yours

ph.

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Den 2019-12-14 06:55, skrev Kaganski Mike:

Dear Paul,

12 дек. 2019 г. 17:30 пользователь paul hofseth  
написал:


Sirs,

please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial
matters like colours and signage, but rather on making the programs 
more

practical to use -  such as for instance having the choice of typeface
as a sdeparate item, not hidden inside the multiple format choices.
Risking ostracism fro monotounous suggestions, I repeat my wish for
sequential views of single pages with as little jumbling as possible of
text and illsustrations when proofreading long documents

Please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial
matters like telling others what to do, but rather on making the 
programs more

practical to use!

Why do I write this rather harsh statement? Not in the hope that you
would start doing what I wrote, but to show you one important aspect
that you seem to overlook. What would you do if you actually be denied
of a way to contribute by expressing your opinions and wishes, and
demanded to do something entirely different for the project? For most,
such requirement would not mean they started contributing differently;
that would mean they stopped contributing at all. Most people here
contribute for one of two reasons: either being paid for the work by
their employers/customers, or doing things they *can* for own
enjoyment. Not everyone here likes or is able to do what you'd want
them to do to fix your pet bug; and your expectation that if you deny
someone of doing what *you* consider "trivial" would free the
resources for a different task, are just plain wrong: instead of
improving the areas you are interested in, we would simply loose those
who love and able to contribute in areas *others* are interested in,
nothing else.

By the way, I actually deem the importance of *your* contriburion
(expressing your opinion about LibreOffice and its future, feeling for
it, and proposing something) wery high. So please don't take the
initial statement seriously, but just as a way to illustrate my point.

Best regards,

Mike Kaganski


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