Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20

2023-12-21 Thread Heiko Tietze

On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:

"LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without
they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody
asked it to."


Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug 158588 about 
what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle the situation of 
shared documents on another. I haven't tested what happens when one checks the 
embed fonts option and shares this document with another person. Assuming her 
fonts would also be included, silently, this is at least a privacy issue.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20

2023-12-21 Thread Eyal Rozenberg

I want to draw our attention to the first bug which was on the agenda in
yesterday's design meeting:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588

I would say that bug is misnamed. It should be called:

"LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without
they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody
asked it to."

IMHO it's several non-trivial issues rolled into one:

* LO's "contract" with the user as an ODT editor
* Where does the UI regarding font embedding choices belong?
* Does LO "know" about the actual use of different languages in a document?

I've commented on the bug myself but would encourage more of us to have
another look at it.

Eyal

PS - Sorry for missing the meeting :-(

On 20/12/2023 23:00, Heiko Tietze wrote:

Present: Sahil, Rafael, John, Heiko
Comments: Dieter, Stuart

Tickets/Topics

  * Redesign font embedding options in
sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588
    + improve help (Dieter, bug 130185)
    + dummy text with no embedded font = 28k, with all options on = 22000k
  with "only used" 927k, with all but limited to latin = 1800k
    + disable CTL & CJK depending on options and
    + check by default and disable the "Only used fonts" unless
  the first option "Embed fonts" is activated (Heiko)
    + if the document contains and CTL/CJK font it would be
  pointless to exclude them when saving used fonts only;
  and the other option makes not much sense alone (Rafael)
    + font scripts options needs a dev check
    => do it





  * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273
    + check/enable anchor to cell (resize with cell) and fit to cell size
  by default (Heiko)
    + changing this makes users needy and they may ask for better chart
  positioning, for example; how about a dedicated command to
  achieve the goal (Rafael)
    + could also be done per macro (Sahil)
    + goal was here to insert/manipulate many form controls; the workflow
  with copy/paste is tedious as cursor down or enter does not
  behave like at normal cells; which could be changed (Heiko)
   => comment

  * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533
    + option to show/include zero is on by default and one has to disable
  it intentionally
    + same behavior on Excel
    + dependency to some archived PDF format is unclear
    => ask the ESC

  * New sidebar deck for comments
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106316
    + splitter to expand the comments margin (Jim)
    + comments in margin is sufficient for ordinary users (John)
    + vertical space in margin is not enough for academia; management
  is missing, eg. to find unresolved comments (Rafael)
    + sidebar has limited vertical space
  + but allows the list being unsynchronized ie. many comments on one
  single page overlapping each other
    + requirements: add filter by status, eg. resolved
  no urgent need for the procrastination option "hide temporarily"
    + mockup design: take the Onlyoffice example
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191371;
sort is
  missing; referenced text should be visible in the sidebar pane
    + enhancements: predefined responses? might be useful for some
(Rafael),
  but should be done resp. the list filled by users (Sahil)
    + replace the comments in margin or amends it (John)
    => improve the mockup and ask the community in a blog post


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