[libreoffice-design] Re: Our icon style

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mirek,

I and Jay agreed that the icons look much clearer without the candy-ish 
fill, especially the "T" and the omega. Currently, the icons bold, 
italic and underlined in master use the Gnome 2.20 style, with a rather 
flat gradient and highlights. Here's a SVG comparing the different 
versions: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12598822/bold%20icon.svg


I didn't attend the last two hangouts, so we didn't make a decision 
regarding the text icon style, but I could attend next week.


Regarding the icon size, is it really that bad if a few icons make use 
of the 1 px margin? E.g. the text lines in the bullets and numbering 
icons look too slim if one leaves the margin untouched.


Since we want to get rid of tango-testing and remove it after rescuing 
all icons good enough for tango, I don't think it's a good idea to add 
another theme. Many Gnome apps now use the -symbolic set, so the 
inconsistency won't be that apparent.


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Document examples

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

I could contribute an essay and a slideshow:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1SoIjRsaQikNEZBSVFnazZjR3M/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1SoIjRsaQikczVUZlNaeHU5YjA/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers,
Alex

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo for this year LibreOffice Conference

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

I just wanted to say that in my opinion

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlag9pa8ojovwwa/liboconf14logoproposal-swissflag.png

looks really slick and professional.

Cheers,

Alex


Am 06.03.2014 10:58, schrieb Stefan Knorr:

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Hi KJ,

On 06/03/14 08:24, K-J LibreOffice wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/lightbox/home/Public/libreoffice/conf2014proposals

Get a
"Melden Sie sich an, damit Sie auf diese Seite zugreifen können."

Indeed that was the wrong link. This one should be better:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlag9pa8ojovwwa/liboconf14logoproposal-swissflag.png

Sorry.

Astron.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] The Sidebar Problem

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mirek,

agree that the duplication of functionality is rather confusing.Did you 
mean that the individual panes would appear as a pop-up like e.g. the 
"Insert table" button already does?
The cell appearance btton would then open the panel in sucha a way: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1SoIjRsaQikR3lZT1RBNThTcmc/edit?usp=sharing


I think this would be better than showing them in a sidebar, since the 
mouse has to travel more and there's no visual connection.


Cheers,

Alex

Am 28.01.2014 17:06, schrieb Mirek M.:

Hi guys,
Ever since we've adopted the sidebar, we've had issues with duplicate
panels [1]. Worse yet, the sidebar brings yet another UI element to look
through for commands. This might not sound like a big problem, but this
makes our already hard to use UI even harder to use, and is bound to get
worse as the sidebar develops.

I'd recommend to read through the usability problems Microsoft found with
its Office task pane (which was very much like our sidebar):
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2006/04/03/567261.aspx .

So what should we do?

I've been a big advocate of having a single place where to look for
commands. (That, by the way, is the single biggest advantage the Ribbon
brought to MS Office [2].) In our case, that place would be the toolbar.

My proposed solution would be to split the sidebar into individual panels
(e.g. Properties, Formulas, Custom Animation, Slide Transition, etc.) and
add buttons for launching them to the relevant toolbars. This would not
only solve the problems of panel duplication [1], but it would also add
context to the individual panels. For example, the Slide Layout and Slide
Transition buttons would appear in the Slide toolbar. The Functions pane
could appear when clicking the functions button in the formula bar.
Properties could easily replace all the toolbar buttons that currently
point to the relevant formatting dialogs. And we already have buttons for
Styles, the Gallery, and the Navigator.

In any case, it's imperative that we do something about the problem. We
can't afford to dig ourselves even further in terms of UX.

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73151
[2] "The Ribbon is the starting point for all functionality." --
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2005/10/11/479586.aspx




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Re: [libreoffice-design] Website Redesign - Beta

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Charles,

The redesign looks really awesome :)

Some suggestions:

* The contrast between the captions and the images at the top could be 
improved
* In my opinion, the "Download now" button looks better when not using a 
bold font weight
* The green social network buttons at the bottom are a bit overkill, 
maybe it'd be better to get rid of the green boxes around them and just 
show (grey?) icons that darken on hover
* The Discover>Writer/Calc/Impress... pages could show a screenshot of 
each application

* The download page for 4.2 is empty

Cheers,

Alex


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[libreoffice-design] Better AppData screenshots

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

It's been a while since my last mail to this list, and I have to say that
the improvements to the start center and the new icon set are impressive.

Maybe you know about AppData (
http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/), a new format that
allows to present applications in software centers like Gnome Software or
KDE's Apper in a rather slick way.

The current libreoffice-*.appdata.xml files link to rather old screenshots:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/sysui/desktop/appstream-appdata/libreoffice-writer.appdata.xml?id=ceb9e098fc6efcfb7e024057bfa46aa06a295d00

I think it'd be better if we could find/create some CC-licensed example
documents that show off some of the features, like comments, conditional
formatting etc. And where should the docs and the resulting screenshots be
saved? The wiki or rather the git repo?

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice Awards Icon

[Alexander Wilms]

Something around 64px maybe. So that a regular LibO desktop icon would 
fit into it, plus the award


Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Awards Icon

[Alexander Wilms]

I'll try to come up with one. Which resolution is needed?

Cheers

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] 4.0 Branding and Out of Scope Designs

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mirek,

sorry for not being able to attend the chat, next week I'll probably be 
there.


Why wouldn't changed colors and logo be allowed? Isn't that kind of the 
point of a rebranding?


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

Yes, here it is: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/3a/AndyFitzsimon_ArtworkProposal_libre-office.svg



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

I just got the confirmation by Andy that he relicenses his artwork as 
LGPL v3/MPL



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

Added it to the wiki, including a start center design


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

Thanks, Steve :)

I mailed Andy Fitzsimon and asked whether he'd relicense it under 
LGPL/MPL. How much time do we have until the branding is chosen?


@k-j: I guess we aren't, will fix that


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

I changed the logo and added the progress bar: 
http://s1.directupload.net/images/130113/62ufarwr.png


I'm trying to adapt this design for the start center


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Re: [libreoffice-design] A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

Yes, that's what I thought, too

Cheers,

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

*employee


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[libreoffice-design] A new old branding?

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi everyone,

on the Deviantart page of Harvey Cabaguio someone mentioned an old 
design submission for the original LibreOffice brand: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/5/5f/AndyFitzsimon_ArtworkProposal_splashes.png


It also kind of fits the minimalist swiss style, maybe the gradients 
should be a bit flatter. Would you mind if I ask the Designer (former 
Novell, now Red Hat employer) if he would license it under LGPLv3/MPL 
and use it as basis for a submission?


Cheers

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Tango test : Wrong icon for Frame in Navigator

[Alexander Wilms]

I asked on the dev mailing list how to deal with this

Cheers,

ALex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Tango test : Wrong icon for Frame in Navigator

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Hi Sophie,

thanks for the info. I'll push a corrected version and some additional
icons today.

Do you know whether the new Tango icons will be included in the final
release? I guess I'd need to get some reviews in order to push
something to the 4.0 branch, right?

Kind Regards

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Facebook page

[Alexander Wilms]

I responded, thanks for the info


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Add template

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Yeah, the website is a bit complicated. It should become easier in a
few months, when a new version of the template center will be deployed.

I think you need to open the page of your project and then add your
file.
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Icon set

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I do agree to license the ones I created from scratch under LGPL and
CC-by-sa. Derivatives of the Gnome icons are licensed the same, of
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[libreoffice-design] Help with the shape icons?

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Hi everyone,

I've worked a bit on the shape icons, but there are still many left. I
would be great if we could split up the effort.

Is there a group of shape icons anybody would like to work on?

For consistency reasons, it would be good if the SVGs were all created
the same way. I use the pngs/svgs from other icon sets as stencil,
draw a single shape and apply the gradient fill that all shape icons
have. Then I duplicate the shape three times, move one copy aside and
resize another one to be 1px smaller than the original. Then I create
the boolean difference between both shapes that weren't moved.

The inner border is done the same way. Both have 40% opacity and the
gradients go from the bottom of the bottom pixel of a shape to the top
of of the top one.

Thanks,

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Another UI mockup

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Hi Charles,

As far as I remember, he posted to the design mailing list quite some
time ago asking whether we would want to use it. I and Astron (IIRC)
replied that he should rather ask on the dev mailing list, since I did
not know whether it was some sort of wrapper and because I don't know
how VCL works.

I doubt he's subscribed to the mailing list, at least we didn't her
from him since.

Kind Regards

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] seasonal logo time :-)

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Maybe one with holly leafs and fruits?

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat

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Ah, thanks for the update

Mirek, will you attend today's IRC meeting?
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Libreoffice-ux-advise Digest, Vol 18, Issue 24

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Hi everyone,

the previews are a really nice feature I was hoping for already :)

> My suggestion was to remove "Default" and add "Title", "Subtitle" and
> now I would also suggest to add "Quotation" to the list of default
> styles. Maybe this is a discussion for the Design team?

I'd agree with that selection

Cheers,

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] XML import icons

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Regina,

the file should be ok. It's just that the canvas size is smaller than 
the the three icons. If you download it and viewi t in Inkscape it 
should display correctly. But I'll also upload a new version with 
improved cnvas size later.


Kind Regards

Alex


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[libreoffice-design] XML import icons

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Hi everyone,

I made some icons for the different levels in the XML hierarchy:
http://ubuntuone.com/4UeG3koY3OjFO63VvAR6Dz

Do you think they'll work?

Kind Regards

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Should I push the updated UI files?

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Hi everyone,

Can I push these changes: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1094/  ?

Kind Regards

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Implementation of color picker?

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Hi,

The since the last day of feature freeze is December the 9th I'm
wondering whether that's enough time to get feedback from Gnome and
elementary and finding a dev who is willing to implement the proposed
changes.

Would that be a point worth mentioning for the ESC call?

Cheers,

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Conditional Formatting, Icon Sets Feature, SVG

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Hi,

> We should now have parity with the Other Office Suite, but I have so far
> not extended the selection to cover more sets.

Great :)

Would additional icon sets need to be mapped to the ones available in
MS Office when exporting to xlsx?

What I noticed when using the conditional formatting dialog is that it
might be helpful to add labels next to the UI elements. At least for me
it'd make the UI more intuitive.

What do you think?

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat

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[libreoffice-design] Changing default shape colors

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Hi,

should I ask on the dev mailing list who knows how to update the
default colors? I added 'Tango: Sky Blue 1' and Tango: Sky Blue 2' to
the default palette so e.g. Impress won't show those empty brackets
instead of the color name any more.

Or would anyone object?

Alex

PS: This weekend I'll _actually_ attend the IRC meeting, soryy for not
appearing the last two times
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Daily build DEBs

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On Ubuntu 12.04 based systems you'll need to install libjpeg62* via apt
and libpng15 from this site:
https://launchpad.net/~linaro-maintainers/+archive/overlay/+build/2941997

I still get some errors on startup, but it works
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[libreoffice-design] Daily build DEBs

[Alexander Wilms]

H,

Now there there are master builds for Debian-derived systems, too:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Linux-Fedora17-x86_64@4-gcc-4.7-dbgutil/master/current/

Might be interesting to see the results of some whiteboards :)

Cheers

Alex


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[libreoffice-design] Using more pop-ups

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Hi everyone,

I added a new whiteboard:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Using_More_Popups

I guess we can discuss it on Saturday, but fortunately it's pretty
straightforward, so there's not a lot to be designed.

Cheers

Alex

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Quick fix: Better default colors

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Hi Mirek,

I'd agree to use the lightest Tango blue, maybe with Tango Sky Blue 2
as border.

Should I ask on the dev mailing list whether it would be ok to append
the colors and gradient?

I guess the Vibrant blue gradient should be removed from the list since
it isn't a Tango one.

We could have a grid of 6 x 4 colors + a row of grey shades if we added
3 more color hues. Maybe violet?

Alex

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[libreoffice-design] IRC chat & pop-ups

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Hi everyone,

from Friday on I'll probably have internet access again, so maybe we
could have an IRC meeting on Saturday.

Things that we might discuss

- - whether the improved color handling could be done for 3.7 and
whether to add Tango colors / gradients

- - should we change the default shape color to Tango Sky Blue 1 and the
border color to tango Skype Blue 2 or 3

- - should the shape icons be blue, too?

- - Widget Layout: I already tried experimenting with a converted dialog
in Glade and it's pretty easy. We should decide if we want to move
button columns (cf.e Insert > Object > OLE Object) to the bottom and
convert them to rows. Two clicks in Glade and we'd have more coherent
dialogs.

One thing that would be pretty nice and should take to long to be
developed:

- - Implementing those pop-ups that the color buttons have for
bullets/numbering as well as masterpages

I think they don't interrupt the workflow as much as a dialog, which
pops up and maybe hides the content one is working on. Michel had made
a mockup quite some time ago
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Michelr). I'd prefer to have
small pictures like in the dialog instead, but I guess that's not a
big issue.

Do you think it's realistic that this could be implemented for the
next release?

Cheers

Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Cedric,

I imagined something like that: 
http://ubuntuone.com/2rHFMsY8bPzmYgTRO0pTkU

If one opens a file via CMIS, these two buttons would be shown and 
allow checking a file in and cancelling the check-out. When creating a 
new document or opening from a normal filesystem they would be hidden.

Kind Regards

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Updated Tango icons

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Hi Mirek,

thanks for your feedback.

I worked on most of the issues and will continue doing so.

"lc-outline icons, lc_incrementlevel, and lc_decrementlevel shouldn't
use navigation icons"

What do you mean by 'navigation icons'?

"- lc_autosum seems too sharp/thin, which doesn't really fit well with
Tango. What's wrong with the icon we have now?"

I made it a bit bolder. I used a sigma with serifs since most formulas
are set with them. IMHO the icon thus looks more familiar.

"lc_paragraphdialog and lc_controlcodes both use the same Paragraph
symbol, yet they have nothing to do with each other."

Well, in one case the symbol stands for a paragraph and in the other
one it is an example of a control code.
Galaxy uses similar icons. What would you suggest?

"- lc_insertdraw uses a paintbrush symbol, which portrays painting
rather than drawing. We might think about using a pencil or a pen
instead."

A pencil would be good. LibreOffice's human icon theme contains an icon
for switching between editing and just viewing, which is also the icon
for gedit in Ubuntu's and elementary's  icon themes. IMHO it would be
nice if we could use icons from the human/ elementary icon theme for
better integration.

Do you know whether I could simply copy icons from
/icon-themes/human/cmd and add the authors to the credits file?

On a related note: There are some Gnome icons which looks rather dull
and have nice elementary (GNU GPL v3) equivalents.

Would it be possible to include some of them? Crediting the author, of
course?

Kind regards

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI

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Hi Cedric,

is it possible to show or hide single icons of a toolbar based on the
circumstances? Maybe these two operations could be added next to the
save button?

Kind Regards

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Updated Tango icons

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Hi everyone,

I committed some new icons, maybe you want to give some feedback.

I'd prefer to use white icons for the shapes of the drawing toolbar,
but these would be hard to recognize when using a bright theme or
windows. So what color should we use?

How did your presentations go? Did you put up the slides somewhere?

Cheers

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Quick fix: Better default colors

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

Do you think it'd be a good short-term solution to update the
stnadard.soc/standard.sog files?

A comment bug report concerning better default gradients contained a
link to a Tango gradient palette. I cleaned it up a bit:
http://ubuntuone.com/5iIqNu8j0vP3kzopTAnNXq

~/.config/libreoffice/3/user/config contains several color palettes,
also a Tango one. It consists of only a few colors, but IMHO that's
already better than what we currently have. Should we use it as standard?

The default colors for shapes and diagrams seem both to be hardcoded,
I suggest we simply choose a few colors from these palettes, maybe
these could be made customizable via the advanced options pane at some
point in the future.

Kind Regards

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Infobar

[Alexander Wilms]

Sounds great :) Do you know whether there's an equivalent for KDE, Mac 
OS and Windows?


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android Remote icon

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Hi Mirek, Sveinn,

unfortunately I don't have the IRC log, hopefully Astron still has it.

Anyway, I created the icon in Inkscape and I also watched that tutorial
some time back.
I knew that the Android guidelines recommended a tilted icon, but
apparently I overdid it a bit. With less tilt it should look a bit
better, too.

@ Sveinn: The guidelines were the reason why I used perspective, to
make it look similar to the system icons. I'll try green waves next.

Thanks

ALex
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[libreoffice-design] Android Remote icon

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Hi everyone,

as discussed during the IRC I started working on the icon for the
remote control: http://ubuntuone.com/3MB2vxkuzrbgdnCwy0hyXx

I'll use the Impress icon to find out how that looks like

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Font repository integration

[Alexander Wilms]

I uploaded my proposal, but I still have one question:

Should the whiteboard only cover downloading Fonts that are already being used 
in a document or also searching for new fonts when creating a document?

Thanks

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Font repository integration

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Awesome news! First font embedding by Lubos and now this :)
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Re: [libreoffice-design] A banner for promoting the LibreOffice Conference on the LibreOffice website

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

here are three different versions. I hope one of them is useful: 
http://ubuntuone.com/1mJnKsiNeq5YKiNHBEDcSC

Regards

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding Doodling

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Posted one link twice, that's the correct one for the page deisgn:
http://ubuntuone.com/5W1PAdQLGENZpb0UBmKdCe

Regards

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Rebranding Doodling

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Astron, I just saw your Mail on Nabble since it somehow didn't appear
in Thunderbird. Additionally I accidentally only replied to Charles
and omitted the ml.

Improved version: http://ubuntuone.com/3i7zMNEBJ5V7K4l5WbB6B7
Applied that design to an A4 page:
http://ubuntuone.com/3i7zMNEBJ5V7K4l5WbB6B7

> Praise: * The mesh is pretty neat. I am not sure exactly we can use
> it, but to me it seems more modern than our current motif. Have I
> said that I love the mesh, yet?

Great, thanks :)

> * Open Sans is a good font(TM), not sure if it befits LibreOffice
> right now, though.

So use something other than Vegur or Open Sans?

> Things that don't get across so well: * The digitally carved (or
> rather embossed) "a" is way over the top of my and likely most
> other users head(s). Nice idea, but I don't know if it's simple
> enough. Do you see anything that could replace it?

I'm now using a lower poly version of the 'a', but I'm open to other
suggestions. IMHO it should still symbolize the result of working with
LibreOffice

> What's (maybe) not ideal: * The logo could have sharp corners to go
> along better with the font (dunno)

You mean having no gradients? I now think so, too, mostly. Actually, I
prefer the way it's presented in the A4 page.

> * How would the logo look without the tagline?

Good point. Will work on that. I think it's more common not to have
the 'company' name within the product logo. Maybe it could be shown in
a bottom corner.

Cheers

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Public Domain Tango Icons

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Hi Manas,

I think there's nothing preventing us from using pd artwork. Public
domain would also allow us to adapt icons.

We're currently importing Tango icons from the Gnome project, since
these are more up-to date and integrate better with current Gnome
desktops. We license them under CCBYSA3, which allows us to create
derivative artwork.

IANAL, though

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Windows 8 (cross-platform matter)

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Hi,

there are several things we did and plan to do.
First, the Windows-specific theme for LibreOffice (look of the toolbars
etc.) has been  changed to make it fit better into a Metro environment.
The icon theme used on Mac OS has been changed to Tango so that we use
the same one on all desktop platforms, which makes is easier to make
progress. Currently I'm working on replacing some of the non-tango
icons with new versions.

Also our branding will be revised for the next version. We aim for flat
colors and overall a swiss style design. Only the android version will
be specifically designed for touch devices, at least that's the plan
right now.

hth

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Control elements in a partial-formal document

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Lars,

I guess you should mail the developers mailing list, since the design 
team doesn't deal with the underlying technology that much.

Kind Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Some new icons

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Hi Sveinn,

sorry for the delay. Petr Mladek implemented a tango_testing icon theme
that's only enabled for dev builds:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/tango_testing

Kind Regards

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice idea ............ Graphics interface written in GTK 3 .

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mariano,

that definitely looks interesting. I have no idea whether it would be 
feasible to rewrite the main windows, since AFAIK some custom stuff is 
used for icon-theming, translating the UI etc. Maybe you could ask on 
the developer mailing list how big this task would be.

Thanks

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[libreoffice-design] ESC call details

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Hi,

I can't find the email with the phone number and the code anymore :/.
It would be great if someone could mail them to me

Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Minimal Navigator Interface

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I think currently noone on the design list is able to change the UI
code himself, so we would either need to find a dev willing to
implement some of the changes or wait until we can do it. There is an
ongoing effort to make the GUI description files easier to edit, and I
think it'd be a good solution to improve the navigator when we will
work on the dialogs anyways. For reference:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/widget-layout-progress-td4002543.html

That's how the current pane would look like with improved icons:
http://ubuntuone.com/0UEhSYKYLrXrcMpbP1lTG9

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Some new icons

[Alexander Wilms]

Strange, the icons are all aligned to the pixel grid where possible, so 
they should be sharp.
What might be relevant is that this isn't an actual screenshot. I took 
a screenshot and used it in Inkscape. There I hid the old icons with 
rectangles colored like the background and then exported the whole 
drawing as png. If you want to check the SVG: 
http://ubuntuone.com/0UEhSYKYLrXrcMpbP1lTG9

Maybe you could try Abiword with the Gnome icons, to see whether that 
causes an issue, too.

My LCD isn't color-managed, so I don't if that's somehow related to the 
issue.

Thanks for investigating further

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Some new icons

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Added some more icons:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Image18065.png

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[libreoffice-design] GUI conversion to .ui files

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Hi everyone,

Caolán posted to the dev ML
(http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/widget-layout-progress-td4002543.html)
that he's progressing on the task of converting the old GUI
description files to 'ui' Glade files.

Michael suggested that if the conversion can be automated (apparently
there's already some code), that we re-work each of the dialogs
incrementally, which sounds great to me

I think that's an awesome development, allowing us to actually work
ourselves on the widget layout etc.  We should keep this in mind for
the options dialog.

Cheers

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Some new icons

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Thanks for your feedback, Sveinn

The icons you found to be rather dark are part of the stock Gnome icon
set and I'd personally like to keep them for consistency's sake. Also
the icons regarding formatting are black, so that the other ones don't
stand out that much any more:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/ff/Image18065.png (Maybe
clear cache if the old version still shows)

The reason I colorized the table icon is that most themes have grayish
toolbars, which makes the gray icon harder to recognize. Green sounds
like a good solution.

Thanks

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[libreoffice-design] Some new icons

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Hi everyone,

since Chu posted the proposal for a minimal navigator, I took a stab
at the very outdated looking icons:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/ff/Image18065.png

Additionally, I created new icons for spellcheck, auto-spellcheck,
table, chart, formula, picture and drawing. The ones containing
characters were based on original Gnome icons, so attribution would be
required.

Is there anything you disagree with or can I upload the changes?

Cheers

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Cleaning up the menus

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Hi again,

I've got one question:

How did you re-add the 'Picture from scan' menu entry? I can't find it
in the customize dialog.

@all:

One thing I'd personally like to see being added is the 'Title Page...'
item that's currently part of the 'Format' menu. My train of thought is
'I want to add/insert a new title page' rather than 'convert the
current page to a title page'. I don't know what most people would
prefer, but what are your thoughts on this issue?

Thanks

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Cleaning up the menus

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Hi Michel,

thanks for the link. I vaguely remebered that there had been done some
work, but I couldn't recall the details.

I'll try to merge the ideas in both proposals

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Minimal Navigator Interface

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Hi,

It looks pretty good, but I never really used it (because of the
'intimidating' UI). Would you show only headings by default and omit
tables ect.?

Some new icons might make it a bit more attractive, too.

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Cleaning up the menus

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Yes, I know. That's how I did it, too. Thanks anyways

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Cleaning up the menus

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I updated it according to what we discussed on IRC:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/80/Cleaning_up_Writer_Insert.png

Merged the various ways to insert media, moved 'Gallery' from 'Tools'.
The entry to add media is at the top.

Keep the OLE objects name. Rename 'File...' to 'Text File...'

Dropped Plug-ins, since it doesn't work.

Cheers

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[libreoffice-design] Cleaning up the menus

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Hi everyone,

I think one issue that hasn't been tackled for a long time are the
menu entries, which can at times be a bit confusing or are at least
not very intuitive to use. I started adapting Writer's Insert menu to
the way I use it. I grouped the items actually inserting some kind of
object and separate from these the items dealing with text, like
footers, indexes etc. At the bottom are menu entries dealing with some
sort of embedding ( I assume that relatively few people use that
compared to the top items. ) That way the distance between the
'Insert' menu button and the (in my case) most used items was
decreased. Additionally I enabled the icons in menus, which IMHO makes
it much easier to find a certain function.

Screenshot:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Cleaning_up_Writer_Insert.png

Do you think adopting some of the changes would make sense and if yes,
should we go through each menu and do the same? An advantage is, that
this probably increases usability quite a bit and is very easy to
'implement'.

Cheers

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Font wishlist

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Hi,

I got another question. Do we want more general-pupose fonts like e.g.
Droid Sans, Open Sans ... or also some that are a bit special and only
apropriate in certain use-cases?
Cheers

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] mime type icons

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Hi Florian,

here's a SVG file containing the icons at various sizes and
high-contrast versions:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d4/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg

Cheers

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Font wishlist

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Hi,

that sounds great, I'lll take a look at it tomorrow.

Do we have a figure of how many new fonts could be included? Will old
ones be removed?

Kind Regards

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] New gallery art

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Hi Charles, Mirek

Regarding flickr etc. integration: I see two problems with this:

1) How likely is it that a user finds a picture in flickr if the
alternative is simply googling and having the whole web as a resource?

2) Licensing: Would we simply show the license in the browsing window
and/or automatically add the needed attribution?

It might be a nice-to-have, but I doubt that the effort required to
implement this via many different website APIs is worth it. What do
others think?

@ Mirek: Should we ask on G+ and maybe via the LibreOffice facebook
page how many would actually use image bullets if they were appealing?

Kind Regards

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] New gallery art

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Klaus-Jürgen,

I agree that we should get rid of the galleries we have right now. But 
I imagine that stuff people might use are the bullet points and maybe 
rulers. We already have dialogs dedicated to each, so if that's all we 
want to ship we could drop the gallery for good. Or do corporations 
make use of this?

If the new artwork adheres to the same guidelines as our icon set and 
we keep them pretty simple (maybe like this: 
http://ubuntuone.com/6VrP1eR0caA5zb8En6hwJD) I think they won't become 
outdated that fast.

Alex


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[libreoffice-design] New gallery art

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Hi everyone,

Björn just opened this bug about the very outdated looking gallery
art: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53248

I assume we could be done with fixing this rather quickly and I think
we should create artwork that either adheres to the tango guidelines
or fits to our new design direction i.e. it'd use flat colors.

Kind Regards
Alex
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[libreoffice-design] IRC

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Astron, should we skip today's IRC meeting?
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Coloring in LIbreOffice

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Hi,

yes, we're working on an improved way to manage colors, gradients etc.

What do you think regarding the other options? I also discovered an
issue when using a gradient in a pie chart - the edge becomes very
jagged, do you know to whom we could talk wrt this issue?

Thanks

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Global options

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One aspect we should keep in mind would be the about:config
functionality that was proposed for this GSoC
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[libreoffice-design] Design topics ESC call

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Hi,

I was wondering what would be worth mentioning?

- - Plan to license artwork under CC-BY-SA if possible
- - Work on icons for the template picker
- - Mirek's work on global options
- - The typography meeting in London

Anything else?

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] ESC calls

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Hi Astron,

Should I attend this week's call and then every other week? Mirek will
be absent for a few weeks

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Better defaults for diagrams

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi everyone,

I played a bit with diagrams and I think it would be an improvement if
we disabled rounded edges by default, change the chart colors to be
more uniform and maybe enable perspective rendering.

Here's an example: http://ubuntuone.com/0EAkIYmqoUWv4iNXkShZBb

Sadly, the lines on the Y-axis still seem to be a bit aliased.

Your opinions?

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] I'm sorry.

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Hi Andrew,

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you can overcome that addiction

All the best

ALex
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[libreoffice-design] On vacation

[Alexander Wilms]

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Hi everyone,

I'll be on vacation for the next one or two weeks. I hope this doesn't
matter too much,

Cheers

Alex
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Re: [libreoffice-design] [GSOC] Template Dialog Icons

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Hi,

Mirek, did you already start a whiteboard? I could find anything yet.

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Looking for devs on the G+ page

[Alexander Wilms]

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Hi everyone,

Jan (Kendy) suggested that we should try to find some developers who
are willing to work closely with the designteam in order to get
whiteboards turned into code faster than it's currently the case.

We plan to post something on our G+ page, a very, very rough draft
would be this:

"Are you a developer and scratch a certain design-related itch? We're
looking for some people who are motiveted to work together with the
design team in order to work on certain aspects of our UI [...]"

It'd be great if you could help wording this, add ideas etc.

Alex
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[libreoffice-design] Are you okay with those new default styles?

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi everyone,

would anyone object against Cedric including this as new default (empty) 
template:



 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Avantgarde.ott

 Alex


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[libreoffice-design] Loading styles from document

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Cedric, *

since this week's feature freeze I wanted to ask you whether you had 
enough time to implement loading styles from a document.


If that's the case, I would want to ask everyone if they would be OK 
with the styles used in this document: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Avantgarde.ott

and whether Cedric could possibly include it.

I hope it's not too late

Alexander


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[libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Fwd: Ubuntu Templates

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi everyone,

Thanks Bjoern for uploading the files :)

I tried to fix BrightBlue, to me it seems OK now. We still have some 
masterpages supplied by the community (cc0) and Mirek wanted to let the 
design list vote on them first, if there's still enough time to 
integrate them at all: http://ubuntuone.com/1rcQiE2v1xbJ0lWsIqWWzu


On the wiki, the files still contain several masterpages and 
non-default fonts. I changed them accordingly, what do you think?

Kind regards

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat

[Alexander Wilms]

I think I could attend on sunday


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[libreoffice-design] @Mirek: Folder

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mirek,

here's the SVG

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/04/Templatefolder.svg

Regards

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] ESC call

[Alexander Wilms]

Here's the summary:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td3987332.html

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you 
think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the 
indicator superfluous.


Here's the mock-up for the tabs: 
http://ubuntuone.com/17sc4d1D91HWnZUaQdqMSF


Regards

Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-design] proposal for an easy design hack

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Michel,

That looks really good.

Do you think you could get in contact with a developer?

Alex


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[libreoffice-design] Tentative design Android file viewer

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi everyone,

who would volunteer to take care of the file viever design? It's not 
clear whether the GSoC student will start coding the file manager or the 
viewer, thus it'd be nice if we could get this done now.


Cheers

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Jan,

thanks for your efforts :)

Do you think you could make the tabs look like normal gtk+ tabs and let 
them adapt to the theme?


Additionally, I'm wondering whether you could remove the indicator in 
the status bar that shows whether a document has been changed since the 
last time it was saved. Why not just use an asterisk (*) in the window 
border, like gedit, glade etc?


Example for a changed document: *ShakespeareEssay.odt - 
LibreOffice
if there are no changes to be saved: 
ShakespeareEssay.odt - LibreOffice


Kind Regards

Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-design] EPS logo

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi,

I quickly converted it in Inkscape, hope that's enough: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_external_logo.eps


Regards

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat at 16:00 UTC

[Alexander Wilms]

Reminder

We're now on IRC



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates and Documents: Tentative Design

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mirek,

the design looks very native, that's nice. But why do you display the 
online templates folder not the same as the favorites folder or vice 
versa?


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] tentative design Impress Remote

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Mirek,

these suggestions sound reasonable. I integrated them, if anybody has 
another opinion, please mention it.



These things might be useful somehow in the future -- that's
why we even keep an archive of finished whiteboards.


We could still access the proposals after removing the  
tags, and it would remove quite some clutter.


Alex





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