Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: About UI/UX & LibreOffice

[Yousuf Philips]

Hey,

Liked the design, but the idea of 'no dialogs' (placing all 
functionality into the UI) doesnt go well with the HIG of having basic 
features that most users needs and then dialogs for more advanced 
features. Vertical screen resolution is a major issue, which means we 
shouldnt cram everything in, or else users will constantly be opening 
and closing the content panels, which would be bad UX.


Yousuf

On 01/09/2017 01:09 AM, Heiko Tietze wrote:

Hi all,

someone send me a proposal how the sidebar could be improved. I tried to 
convince him from our awesome mailing list *g*, but he didn't want to join for 
now. So here is the link to the mockup: 
http://budislavtvp.deviantart.com/art/LibreOffice-SINGLE-WINDOW-Sidepanel-Concept-656226009?ga_submit_new=10%253A1483903742

What's your impression?

All the best,
Heiko

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: About UI/UX & LibreOffice
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 19:39:23 +
From: Budislav Stepanov 
To: Heiko Tietze 


...


I am glad you like something :) I tried with those mailing lists long time
ago and I know how it works. In the best case they would ask you for
opinion that is why I ask you directly so I know my answer. To convince all
of them I would need time for one more life so this was only a nice try, I
think I will stop here.



If you want I set this on deviantart >
http://budislavtvp.deviantart.com/art/LibreOffice-SINGLE-WINDOW-Sidepanel-Concept-656226009?ga_submit_new=10%253A1483903742
so you can ask users for opinion.




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[libreoffice-design] Re: LO needed icons for 5.3

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Andreas,

Not many icons were changed/added for 5.3, but anything that i've 
noticed went into the breeze work google doc.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit#

If anyone else find missing icons in the breeze icon theme, please do 
let us know.


Yousuf

On 12/20/2016 03:32 AM, kainz.a wrote:

Dear LO Team,

please post somewhere which icons do you need for the 5.3 release (I
didn't know the time shadule, if it's not to late).

It would be very helpful if you have a wiki page where you add the list
with new icons in the next release cause I'd like to update the breeze
icon set, but without the icon names it's not easy.

I'll tested the experimental notebook bar and there are some icons
missing in breeze but also in (all) other icon sets, so the list would
be useful not only for me.

cheers
Andreas_K


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Some empty spaces in Notebookbar in Pootle - where to find them in master?

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Thomas,

Those two blank spaces are present in the contextual grouped notebookbar 
(aka heikobar) to get around not showing the label with the increase and 
decrease font size buttons. I've set them as non-translatable with the 
below patch.


https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/31079

Yousuf

On 11/16/2016 03:01 PM, Thomas Hackert wrote:

Hi altogether,
I am not subscribed to this list (sorry to the moderator and all
others), so please CC me if you can give me some input to my
question ... ;)

I am struggling my way to the de_DE translation of LO on Pootle and
found some really difficult to translate strings there, but hey, a
new challenge ... ;) But what I did not find until now is the
occurrence of an empty space (e.g.
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/libo_ui/translate/sw/uiconfig/swriter/ui.po#unit=117635034
or
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/libo_ui/translate/sd/uiconfig/simpress/ui.po#unit=117632114).

I did not see them in LO master. Is there any reason why these
strings are in Pootle?

OS: Debian Testing AMD64
LO: Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha1+
Build-ID: 0af30952982767543cddd0b1ce643cb8d5c253a2
CPU-Threads: 4; BS-Version: Linux 4.5; UI-Render: Standard; VCL:
gtk2; Layout Engine: new;
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@70-TDF, Branch:master, Time:
2016-11-11_23:43:27
Gebietsschema: de-DE (de_DE.UTF-8); Calc: group
(parallel installed, following the instructions from
Thanks for any answer
Thomas.



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[libreoffice-design] Better organization of bugs with meta bugs

[Yousuf Philips]

Seems this email hasnt arrived on the design ML because it is still 
waiting in the cue, so here it is.


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] Better organization of bugs with meta bugs
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:38:20 +
From: Jay Philips <...@hotmail.com>
To: LibreOffice-QA 
CC: LibreOffice Design , libreoffice-dev 



Hi All,

With the ability to only set the component field to classify bugs to a 
very basic level, i believe that meta bugs should be used to further 
classify things and provide a needed means of grouping bugs.


The keywords and whiteboard fields have been useful for developers to 
hunt down bugs they want to work on, but QA users not aware of these 
tags wont set them, which means that some bugs wont appear in such 
searches. The 'see also' field has been used to group similar bugs 
together, but how closely related these bugs are isnt defined with this 
association and having a large list of bugs in the see also area is a 
clutter.


With the usage of meta bugs, the QA team will be able to

1) Easily group related bugs under a clear meta bug heading, like for a 
language group, GSoC project, vcl backend, dialog, etc.


examples
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83066
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85184
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102495
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103238

2) Easily find duplicate bugs of a particular topic by only searching 
through the bugs in a particular meta bug, which can easily be done with 
bugzilla's search or by clicking on the 'show dependency tree' link 
found on the meta bug page and then clicking on the 'show resolved' 
button on the dependency tree page to show close bugs.


examples
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99671_resolved=0
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=88278_resolved=0

3) Organize bugs not only under one main meta bug, but also have 
sub-meta bugs and sub-sub-meta bugs to provide an hierarchically 
organized structure to the bugs.


example
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102019
|- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551
|- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103223
   |- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34551

4) Notifying other users CCed on a meta bug of a related bug that they 
can possibly triage and fix.


Meta bugs have also helped developers in providing a central place for 
them to find all the related bugs of a particular topic they want to 
work on, as creating a new keyword or whiteboard tag for this grouping 
isnt efficient.


examples
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81234
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91063
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91310

So i encourage all users to associate meta bugs to bug reports they 
submit and triage and create a new meta bug if a suitable one isnt 
available and they have seen enough similar bugs of a similar topic. 
Adding an alias for the meta bug is also encouraged, as it will appear 
on the page of associated bugs rather than the bug number. For a list of 
all available meta bugs, you can find the "Meta bugs" search query[1] 
listed in the "Saved Searches" tab[2] of Preferences in Bugzilla.


I've created many meta bugs over the last few months and would 
appreciate everyones help in making them as complete as possible. I have 
just finished cleaning up the sidebar meta bug[3] over the last 2 days, 
as it had over 150 bugs associated with it, and plan to continue further 
organizing its sub-meta bugs into sub-sub-meta bugs when necessary.




[1] 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=run=Meta%20bugs_id=22399


[2] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches

[3] 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65138_resolved=0



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[libreoffice-design] Dealing with missing and substituted fonts

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi All,

For those who missed the link to my 'Dealing with Missing Fonts' 
proposal i sent in a previous email reply, here it is again. I hope to 
publish this on the design blog in a few days, so for those who want a 
stab at it before it goes out, here's your chance.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mbs-NW_w8lczMyMwUl5Uc0GYuhFK_KE6g7NASZBnIM0/edit?usp=sharing

Regards,
Yousuf Philips

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Bundled english fonts

[Yousuf Philips]

On 10/12/2016 06:12 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I think we need 1 mono font.  There are a lot of uses for a mono font
["normal", bold, italic, bold italic].  I have several, including a Unicode
and a "typewriter" version.  Liberation font set has a full set of Mono
fonts/styles, or at least with my font selection.


We presently have 3 mono fonts - DejaVu Mono, Liberation Mono, and 
Source Code Pro. I've suggested we remove DejaVu, we need the Liberation 
one for ms compatibility with Courier New, and i'm assuming we added 
Source Code Pro as a modern looking mono font in 4.0. I've suggested 
adding the Noto family of fonts which includes a mono font, so we would 
still have 3 mono fonts if we added the one from Noto.



For some people, for Windows OS, many packages/apps install fonts that
are bundled with the installer.  I know that there are a lot of fonts
installed with the OS install.  For Linux users, I think that the
"ttf-mscorefonts-installer" should be bundled with LO.  That way at
least the Linux version will have access to the same fonts as the
Windows version.


ttf-mscorefonts-installer is set as a recommended dependent package for 
libreoffice on debian/ubuntu, while fedora does not have such a package 
in its repo. ttf-mscorefonts-installer fonts couldnt be bundled with TDF 
builds as i dont think the license allows for redistribution.



Am I correct that some of the LO documents used Vegur fonts? Whatever
fonts are used in the LO documentations should be included in the
installer bundle.


Dont think documentation fonts need to be included in the installer.


Currently, I have 189 font files installed on my default laptop.  I have
had over 400 font files installed in my Ubuntu install, which I reduced
to the current level only a few months ago.  I have over 200,000 font
files in my collection of fonts, including an early 2000 version of the
Adobe font set.  Except the Adobe set, all of the fonts are [or were]
free fonts.


I remember on windows that installing to many fonts would slow down the 
system. :D But we definitely need to implement ways to shrink the 
displayed list of font in the font combobox, like the ideas in tdf#88416 
and tdf#91130.



To be honest, to help users, maybe LO could suggest different fonts in
the online documentation or even have a link to a .zip file with the
suggested fonts/files listed in the documentation for installing LO.
Having a listing of the popular free fonts and where you could find
them, may be a good idea.  Also for new Linux users, give the
"ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package name.  It was several years using
Ubuntu before I heard about the "ms core fonts" package.


As we bundle substitute fonts, there isnt a need to promote the 
installation of the MS fonts.



So, in my opinion, we should have a list of popular free fonts in the
online install tutorials or even a new page created specifically for the
font list[s]. Maybe people could create list of "paid" fonts with a list
of the best free fonts that can be used instead of the paid versions.
There are lists online in various places that discuss the fonts that are
installed with different versions of Windows, Mac, and Linux, and then
list the free replacements.  If we could have a good list of free fonts
and/or free replacement fonts that the LO users think would be a good
for users to download and try. Just within this thread there is a lot of
suggestions for what fonts are better than others.


We are creating a list of our default fonts on the wiki and the wiki 
page could be expanded to include a list of recommended open source 
fonts for document creation.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Fonts


Discussions like this email thread are a good start.  Maybe we could
start a thread for a list of the better free fonts and what they can be
used as replacements for the "popular" paid fonts.  Actually, a couple
of font names, listed in this thread, are new to me.  Since I have been
using Windows since Win95 [or earlier].  Linux, on and off, since late
90's and Ubuntu as my default OS since version 9.xx.


Would assume an online spreadsheet would be the better choice than an 
email thread, as everyone can contribute and comment to it.


Regards,
Yousuf

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[libreoffice-design] Default and bundled cjk fonts

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi All,

Similar to what i'm doing with the arabic fonts, i'm doing the same with 
cjk (chinese, japanese, korean) fonts, so those interested in assisting 
with this selection, please visit the google sheet below.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1syemK75H5NvxyzxWRmxaTCPDuv0pfZc8_yS0VCk-VYI/edit?usp=sharing

Regards,
Yousuf Philips

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[libreoffice-design] Default and bundled arabic fonts

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi All,

I'm looking to get some arabic fonts bundled with LO and hopefully 
assign them to be used by default with RTL/CTL documents, similar to 
what we've done with moving from Arial and Times New Roman to Liberation 
fonts. So i've created the following google sheet to list suggestions 
and welcome those interested in assisting with this selection.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lnu3Kue9wjmEIwFQHfiBI9MwkAbZ8xmObUHRe072gAI/edit?usp=sharing

This is similar to what was done in LO 4.0, as can be seen in the below 
wiki link. Anyone know why Adolfo's suggestion to bundle the ubuntu font 
wasnt done, though it says 'Yes' in the bundle column?


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts

Regards,
Yousuf Philips

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Weekly design hangout at Oct-07

[Yousuf Philips]

On 10/07/2016 01:40 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 07/10/2016 10:41, Heiko Tietze wrote:


 * Bring back "Clear direct formatting"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102915
   + Pro: most users want it; Con: keep the menus clean; preference for styles


I find the feature extremely handy, but I do not have a strong opinion
as I use both the context menu and the format menu to access it.


Hope you are aware that now there is a button in the toolbar for this, 
so no need to go the the menu.



 * Drop 'Human' icon theme (Samuel)
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/29537/


+1


Would suggest holding back on 'Human' as some distros still use it 
(ubuntu mate, elementary os) and removing 'Oxygen', as i was intending 
to remove it.



 * Show restart message after extension installation or update menu 
automatically (Cor)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46279


Useful for basic users.



This should likely be a setting indicated in the extension file 
requesting that restart is done and LO following it.


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[libreoffice-design] Choosing Impress Inbuilt Templates

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi All,

Now that we have the template selector dialog appear with the launch of 
impress in master, it is now crucial to have a good selection of default 
templates to show. We had users submit impress templates before the 
releases of 5.0, but we didnt go over them and choose the ones we felt 
should be included, so if anyone wants to be involved in giving their 
vote on these templates, please do so in the google spreedsheet below.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rd2oHyCMaQLWvDj3ciorJZkILsaoZV0FhomiLEsCago/edit?usp=sharing

Yousuf

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Copies of OOo survey data

[Yousuf Philips]

Thanks Heiko but i already have OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods, which i
used as the basis to the improvements i've been doing to to the
toolbars, context menus and menu bars.

Regards,
Jay

On 05/10/2015 12:41 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote:
 Neither User Prompt nor the preceding company participated in this study, 
 unfortunately. But I found the file OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods in my 
 archives. It contains a weird table of eventtype, widget, uno_url, VCL, 
 VCLLongName, method, id, applicationId, and COUNT separated for Writer, Calc, 
 Impress, and Draw. And a aggregated list with a total of 14k items. 
 
 On Friday 08 May 2015, 20:44:44 Yousuf Philips wrote:
 Hi All,

 I've been going through the various old OOo wiki pages about the stats
 data the UX team did in 2009 and a number of the files that are being
 linked to no longer exist and wondered if anyone has copies of any of
 these files.

 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/e/e6/OOoUserSurvey2008_Final.od
 s

 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoUserSurvey2009_Final.ods

 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f4/2009-05-26_OOoUserSurvey20
 09_Export_CommentsAboutImpress_Cleaned.odt
 
 

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[libreoffice-design] Copies of OOo survey data

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi All,

I've been going through the various old OOo wiki pages about the stats
data the UX team did in 2009 and a number of the files that are being
linked to no longer exist and wondered if anyone has copies of any of
these files.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/e/e6/OOoUserSurvey2008_Final.ods

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoUserSurvey2009_Final.ods

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f4/2009-05-26_OOoUserSurvey2009_Export_CommentsAboutImpress_Cleaned.odt

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