Re: [libreoffice-design] [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Windows look
I'm inclined to disagree with your use of some of those examples. While some of the changes made to Gnome particularly make it work better on touch devices, those devices make up a very small portion of the devices upon which it is being used so changes such as the enlarged icons, enlarged title bar and enlarged menu bar don't make too much sense when considering the market niche in which they are in. Likewise many would say that Microsoft ditching a nice looking, usable and relatively intuitive platform such as its classic desktop with Aero for a gaudily coloured, non-intuitive on a normal computer workstation environment like Metro was a terrible decision that might prove to be a worse than the Vista debacle. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Astron, On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Stefan Knorr heinzless...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all, hrm... this voting is quite clear: currently it is at 26:11:2 (opaque:partly opaque:transparent). There are two factors that work against the transparency: * Mirek didn't pick the ideal screenshot to illustrate transparency (my view, feel free to disagree) I just took Kendy's shot and made File and Edit more visible. Feel free to make your own mockup (based on Kendy's shot) -- we can have another poll comparing that to the winner of this poll. * Some people might just be very change-averse Please don't use the label change-averse -- it's increasingly used to justify bad design in spite of consumer backlash. The only time changes are worth carrying out in spite of negative consumer response are when a) these changes allow the software to evolve in the interest of better usability (such as Ubuntu's, Gnome's, and Microsoft's changes to make their software work well for touch devices), b) these changes make the software more logical/consistent (such as Chrome putting tabs on top or Microsoft ditching Aero for Metro on the desktop). The proposed menubar change is neither of these -- it's purely a cosmetic change, and therefore usability and consumer opinion count most. In terms of usability, a white background behind the menu bar items would be best (whether we go for a tab look or a full bar look). There are two factors of which I have no idea how they factor in: * The people on the G+ page are probably generally rather techy and design-interested, but it can't be said to be representative * It's just screenshots/mockups, nothin with which people can interact Still, I guess, the figures would not change too much even with all factors taken into account (IANAP*, though). How much we want to honour this voting, I don't know... At this point, would it be safer to go back to one of Mirek's earlier mock-ups (at least for 3.6), then? Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Sean White, Within Temptation - Your Argument Is Invalid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Windows look
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Sean White runicpala...@gmail.com wrote: I'm inclined to disagree with your use of some of those examples. While some of the changes made to Gnome particularly make it work better on touch devices, those devices make up a very small portion of the devices upon which it is being used so changes such as the enlarged icons, enlarged title bar and enlarged menu bar don't make too much sense when considering the market niche in which they are in. Likewise many would say that Microsoft ditching a nice looking, usable and relatively intuitive platform such as its classic desktop with Aero for a gaudily coloured, non-intuitive on a normal computer workstation environment like Metro was a terrible decision that might prove to be a worse than the Vista debacle. That's why I used these examples -- they're being carried out in spite of consumer backlash. Also, while touch input may arguably not be so important now, it is seen as the way computers will progress. Most Windows 8 laptops plan to ship with a touch screen or at least a large multitouch touchpad. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Windows look
Hi Astron, On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Stefan Knorr heinzless...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all, hrm... this voting is quite clear: currently it is at 26:11:2 (opaque:partly opaque:transparent). There are two factors that work against the transparency: * Mirek didn't pick the ideal screenshot to illustrate transparency (my view, feel free to disagree) I just took Kendy's shot and made File and Edit more visible. Feel free to make your own mockup (based on Kendy's shot) -- we can have another poll comparing that to the winner of this poll. * Some people might just be very change-averse Please don't use the label change-averse -- it's increasingly used to justify bad design in spite of consumer backlash. The only time changes are worth carrying out in spite of negative consumer response are when a) these changes allow the software to evolve in the interest of better usability (such as Ubuntu's, Gnome's, and Microsoft's changes to make their software work well for touch devices), b) these changes make the software more logical/consistent (such as Chrome putting tabs on top or Microsoft ditching Aero for Metro on the desktop). The proposed menubar change is neither of these -- it's purely a cosmetic change, and therefore usability and consumer opinion count most. In terms of usability, a white background behind the menu bar items would be best (whether we go for a tab look or a full bar look). There are two factors of which I have no idea how they factor in: * The people on the G+ page are probably generally rather techy and design-interested, but it can't be said to be representative * It's just screenshots/mockups, nothin with which people can interact Still, I guess, the figures would not change too much even with all factors taken into account (IANAP*, though). How much we want to honour this voting, I don't know... At this point, would it be safer to go back to one of Mirek's earlier mock-ups (at least for 3.6), then? Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
