Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
On 11/04/16 10:24, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > On 04/05/2016 05:38 PM, Wols Lists wrote: >> Just seen this - one little comment ... >> >> "Prefer graphical widgets in favor of controls that require the input of >> an exact value (e.g. an image’s transparency with discrete steps via >> sliders)." >> >> I'm not sure how appropriate it is in these circumstances, but one of >> the things that drives me up the wall with guis is how you're forced to >> use sliders/mice so much. A graphical widget should have a button that >> converts it into an input window - eg I sometimes want to enter colours >> as pantones. >> >> Most people are visual. Most people prefer sliders. Just remember that >> some of us don't ... :-) That's why I'm a WordPerfect fan - it's so easy >> to use an input dialog that plonks things *exactly* where you want them >> rather than dragging and hoping you've dropped it in the right place :-) > > Though we will be introducing more graphical widgets, they will be > accompanied by regular input fields that users can view/input the exact > value. E.g. the transparency slider and spinbox field in the area > content panel. > That's great. It's just that sometimes us text people get forgotten :-( It would be nice if it's explicitly stated in the guidelines that the presence of such text-box entry fields should be a MANDATORY option (where they make sense, of course). It's fine for them to be tucked away, but they need to be there. (And I'm minded of a story about MS-Access. Because everything was visual, this guy thought "hey, you can't visualise this relational concept. Can you do it in Access? Probably not!" and he was right. Probably Joe Celko.) Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
On 04/05/2016 05:38 PM, Wols Lists wrote: Just seen this - one little comment ... "Prefer graphical widgets in favor of controls that require the input of an exact value (e.g. an image’s transparency with discrete steps via sliders)." I'm not sure how appropriate it is in these circumstances, but one of the things that drives me up the wall with guis is how you're forced to use sliders/mice so much. A graphical widget should have a button that converts it into an input window - eg I sometimes want to enter colours as pantones. Most people are visual. Most people prefer sliders. Just remember that some of us don't ... :-) That's why I'm a WordPerfect fan - it's so easy to use an input dialog that plonks things *exactly* where you want them rather than dragging and hoping you've dropped it in the right place :-) Though we will be introducing more graphical widgets, they will be accompanied by regular input fields that users can view/input the exact value. E.g. the transparency slider and spinbox field in the area content panel. Cheers, Wol Yousuf -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
On 04/04/16 12:21, Mike Saunders wrote: > Hi, > > On 01.04.2016 21:53, Jan Holesovsky wrote: >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit#heading=h.rwnqe5haxk5v >> >> + hope to publish it the next week >> + please read it & review, will affect our HIG > > Good work. Just to say that I've been through it and tidied up the > English a bit! > > Mike Just seen this - one little comment ... "Prefer graphical widgets in favor of controls that require the input of an exact value (e.g. an image’s transparency with discrete steps via sliders)." I'm not sure how appropriate it is in these circumstances, but one of the things that drives me up the wall with guis is how you're forced to use sliders/mice so much. A graphical widget should have a button that converts it into an input window - eg I sometimes want to enter colours as pantones. Most people are visual. Most people prefer sliders. Just remember that some of us don't ... :-) That's why I'm a WordPerfect fan - it's so easy to use an input dialog that plonks things *exactly* where you want them rather than dragging and hoping you've dropped it in the right place :-) Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
Hi, On 01.04.2016 21:53, Jan Holesovsky wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit#heading=h.rwnqe5haxk5v + hope to publish it the next week + please read it & review, will affect our HIG Good work. Just to say that I've been through it and tidied up the English a bit! Mike -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
Hi, regarding GSOC: I could mentor the proposal "Redesigning the Template Manager" as a dev if someone would take the UI part. Jay, Heiko, anyone willing? Best Samuel Am 01.04.2016 um 21:54 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: > * Present: Akshay, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Susobhan > > * GSoC > > + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas > > + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ > + if you are a mentor, please touch the [I want to mentor this] button > for projects you like > + even UX people can mentor / co-mentor, big part of the work is > non-technical (Kendy) > + asking about the status, checking the results from the high-level > point of view etc. > + and a developer can help with the code pointers / review of the code > + worked well the last year [co-mentoring Jay + Bubli] (Jay) > > + UI Proposals > + Application Themes > + Improve The Special Characters Dialogue in LibreOffice > + Improve user experience with Table Styles (mentors: dev - > kendy/miklos(?), ui - ) > + Improving the TOC-dialog > + Review of the Area Fill dialog (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - ) > + Redesigning the Template Manager (mentors: dev - , ui - ) > + Review of Sidebar and it's functionality (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - > ) > + Infrastructure for defining toolbars via .ui (Glade) files > (mentors: dev - kendy/samuel) > > * Bring back the legacy Save toolbar button as customization option? (Heiko) > > + Maxim sorted this out - thank you! :-) > > * Draw-related survey (Heiko) > > + results finished, ready for publishing > + many good ideas there > > * Sidebar survey > > + first results (Heiko) > + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage > > + finished > + > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit#heading=h.rwnqe5haxk5v > + hope to publish it the next week > > + please read it & review, will affect our HIG > > * Single Toolbar Mode & Notebookbar (Jay/Kendy) > > + the toolbar for single toolbar mode is in (Jay) > > + notebookbar code changed too (Kendy) > + now it is possible to have different top-level .ui files in > different apps, for example > notebookbar.ui for Writer (Kendy) > + would be good to do the single toolbar mode using a .ui file too at > some stage, so that we can > easily hide the 'classic' toolbars in the simplebar or notebookbar > cases using the same code (Kendy) > > * Help content (Jay) > > + reviewed the xslt approach for now, like that it uses the same filter > (with small tweaks) > as the internal help (Kendy) > + problem there though with importing from other .xhp files (Jay) > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94017 > e.g. https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Table - '7.1 Table > AutoFormat' should be '8. Table AutoFormat' > + will look at the PHP approach too (Kendy) > > * Blog (Heiko) > > + still badly spammed :-( > + would be good to have a better anti-spam filter or so on the blog (if > possible) > > + can you provide some data about how many people participated in the > surveys so far? (Kendy) > + not that easily, but will try (Heiko) > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
* Present: Akshay, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Susobhan * GSoC + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ + if you are a mentor, please touch the [I want to mentor this] button for projects you like + even UX people can mentor / co-mentor, big part of the work is non-technical (Kendy) + asking about the status, checking the results from the high-level point of view etc. + and a developer can help with the code pointers / review of the code + worked well the last year [co-mentoring Jay + Bubli] (Jay) + UI Proposals + Application Themes + Improve The Special Characters Dialogue in LibreOffice + Improve user experience with Table Styles (mentors: dev - kendy/miklos(?), ui - ) + Improving the TOC-dialog + Review of the Area Fill dialog (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - ) + Redesigning the Template Manager (mentors: dev - , ui - ) + Review of Sidebar and it's functionality (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - ) + Infrastructure for defining toolbars via .ui (Glade) files (mentors: dev - kendy/samuel) * Bring back the legacy Save toolbar button as customization option? (Heiko) + Maxim sorted this out - thank you! :-) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + results finished, ready for publishing + many good ideas there * Sidebar survey + first results (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage + finished + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit#heading=h.rwnqe5haxk5v + hope to publish it the next week + please read it & review, will affect our HIG * Single Toolbar Mode & Notebookbar (Jay/Kendy) + the toolbar for single toolbar mode is in (Jay) + notebookbar code changed too (Kendy) + now it is possible to have different top-level .ui files in different apps, for example notebookbar.ui for Writer (Kendy) + would be good to do the single toolbar mode using a .ui file too at some stage, so that we can easily hide the 'classic' toolbars in the simplebar or notebookbar cases using the same code (Kendy) * Help content (Jay) + reviewed the xslt approach for now, like that it uses the same filter (with small tweaks) as the internal help (Kendy) + problem there though with importing from other .xhp files (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94017 e.g. https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Table - '7.1 Table AutoFormat' should be '8. Table AutoFormat' + will look at the PHP approach too (Kendy) * Blog (Heiko) + still badly spammed :-( + would be good to have a better anti-spam filter or so on the blog (if possible) + can you provide some data about how many people participated in the surveys so far? (Kendy) + not that easily, but will try (Heiko) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
