Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
It seems that mostly everyone likes the Groupedbar and the Tabbed bar. However, the Contextual Groups are filled with issues, under-developed and don't seem to add much. Should it be kept and improved upon or discarded? On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:58 PM, infinitytec wrote: > I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The > removal of the older toolbars can be later. > > It could also be a smoother transition for some users. > > (And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone) > > > > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not > understand it.* > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law* > > Original message > From: Pedro Rosmaninho > Date: 3/29/18 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: V Stuart Foote > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting > 2018/Mar/28 > > It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support > for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority. > If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that, > then I guess it's not bad to maintain them. > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote > wrote: > > > htietze wrote > > > ... > > > > > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > > > opinions please. > > > > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much > > of > > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno > > commands. > > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for > > general use. > > > > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode > > is > > the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all > > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. > Listbox , > > dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are > > picked > > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. > > > > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. > > > > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". > > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and > > the > > toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a > > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View > -> > > Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear > profile > > to recover). > > > > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually > like > > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view > > "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while > > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual > > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the > > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. > > > > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also > > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the > > Ribbon > > interface. > > > > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a > "default" > > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > > > > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > > > implemented in the different implementations. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > > unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ > Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The removal of the older toolbars can be later. It could also be a smoother transition for some users. (And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone) Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho Date: 3/29/18 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: V Stuart Foote Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28 It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority. If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that, then I guess it's not bad to maintain them. On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: > htietze wrote > > ... > > > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > > opinions please. > > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much > of > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno > commands. > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for > general use. > > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode > is > the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox , > dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are > picked > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. > > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. > > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and > the > toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View -> > Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear profile > to recover). > > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view > "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. > > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the > Ribbon > interface. > > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default" > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > > implemented in the different implementations. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority. If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that, then I guess it's not bad to maintain them. On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: > htietze wrote > > ... > > > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > > opinions please. > > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much > of > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno > commands. > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for > general use. > > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode > is > the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox , > dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are > picked > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. > > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. > > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and > the > toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View -> > Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear profile > to recover). > > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view > "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. > > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the > Ribbon > interface. > > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default" > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > > implemented in the different implementations. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28
htietze wrote > ... > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more > opinions please. Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much of a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno commands. But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for general use. A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode is the complete and continuing lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox , dialogs launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are picked up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y. But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls. Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of the legacy "Menubar". Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and the toggle from GUI gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View -> Toolbar Layout to change mode. End up trapped (and have to clear profile to recover). Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view "False" state--as this mode gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer. Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the Ribbon interface. But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default" for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes: > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get > implemented in the different implementations. -- Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
