Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI
Hi Cedric, I imagined something like that: http://ubuntuone.com/2rHFMsY8bPzmYgTRO0pTkU If one opens a file via CMIS, these two buttons would be shown and allow checking a file in and cancelling the check-out. When creating a new document or opening from a normal filesystem they would be hidden. Kind Regards Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI
Hi all, we have been talking about the whole analysis stuff, vision, personas etc. on the conference - I think this is an perfect example to explain why we actually need them... The UI component of an Check-In / Check-Out process obviously is extremely limited. A button, perhaps a dialogue, when you open a file, but it really depends on where we want to go in general to decide how to do it: - How do we handle features that are only of use for users in a special (in this case a multiple user) environment? - How important are users that need these kind of feature for the product strategy? - How important is this feature relative to other features for the people that will actually use it (e.g. does it substitute the normal file open dialogue for them or does it need to be a seperate use-case?) All of this needs to be answered in general in order to find a solution for this question - and other questions of the same kind. I am curious how the answer from the active members of the design team will be - even though it is a really simple new feature, I am not able to answer the question without data / agreements / aassumptions / directions / artifacts we simply do not have. Cheers, Björn Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2012, 17:06:12 schrieb Cedric Bosdonnat: Hi guys, I have recently implemented the operation to checkout a document in the LibreOffice UI using an InfoBar (yes, editing a document that is not checked-out can lead to problems in some workflows). Now I'ld like to implement the Check-In / Cancel Check-Out operations that are related to that, but I don't see clearly how to integrate it best in the UI. So may be you'll have more ideas than me. Some precisions on these words and what they mean for the user in document management systems. Check-out: create a private copy of the document to work on it and lock the original document. Check-in: saves the private copy back into the original document and unlock it. Cancel check-out: loose all the changed that were saved to the private working copy and rollback to the original document's state. Any idea? At times I'm wondering whether entries in the File menu would be the right way to go... by I'm not sure. -- Cedric -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI
Hi Björn, On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 18:01 +0200, Björn Balazs wrote: The UI component of an Check-In / Check-Out process obviously is extremely limited. A button, perhaps a dialogue, when you open a file, but it really depends on where we want to go in general to decide how to do it: - How do we handle features that are only of use for users in a special (in this case a multiple user) environment? - How important are users that need these kind of feature for the product Well, those may be pretty important as it's enterprise users. - How important is this feature relative to other features for the people that will actually use it (e.g. does it substitute the normal file open dialogue for them or does it need to be a seperate use-case?) It shouldn't substitute de normal save dialog, as this is just saving some kinds of documents in a different way (you don't even need to input a place to save to). -- Cedric -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI
Hi Cedric, thanks for your mail. With my mail I wanted to express, that we miss long term decissions of direction, user research, vision and that sort of things. I can immedeately create a couple of solutions for the problem - just in LO we miss a strategy to keep making decissions in the same direction. So thanks for your answers - I can understand them from your point of view (and expected them to be as they are), but this mail was rather meant as a: see this is a problem of the kind I was adressing at the conference to the members of the design team - than a: Cederic, please give me some answers :) Or put it an other way: my mail was not meant to be constructive in the search for a solution for the actual question you raised, but for a discussion we need to lead within the design team (at least I think we need to lead this discussion :)) Thanks anyhow, Björn Am Sonntag, 21. Oktober 2012, 10:10:01 schrieb Cedric Bosdonnat: Hi Björn, On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 18:01 +0200, Björn Balazs wrote: The UI component of an Check-In / Check-Out process obviously is extremely limited. A button, perhaps a dialogue, when you open a file, but it really depends on where we want to go in general to decide how to do it: - How do we handle features that are only of use for users in a special (in this case a multiple user) environment? - How important are users that need these kind of feature for the product Well, those may be pretty important as it's enterprise users. - How important is this feature relative to other features for the people that will actually use it (e.g. does it substitute the normal file open dialogue for them or does it need to be a seperate use-case?) It shouldn't substitute de normal save dialog, as this is just saving some kinds of documents in a different way (you don't even need to input a place to save to). -- Cedric -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI
Hi Alexander, On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 19:06 +0200, Alexander Wilms wrote: is it possible to show or hide single icons of a toolbar based on the circumstances? Maybe these two operations could be added next to the save button? Could you give me some more details or mockup? I have some difficulties to visualize what you mean. -- Cedric -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] CMIS Check-In / Cancel Check-Out UI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Cedric, is it possible to show or hide single icons of a toolbar based on the circumstances? Maybe these two operations could be added next to the save button? Kind Regards Alex -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQgDb/AAoJECO1/tAiWGrN0J8IAIYLU/Xp6x5cbriFoFT6tgrF 92Z2G8htAqL9n5vnDtgo6cYkr1xs45Ke7EvJxU+krxbBjR8l2NihmUeIxfwA9Fqi +UM++zqX6W3RlVR5cRBd8M+RfxtRzLgHdwsAZo54q6snCc3icib46VDPGZ6B6BsJ 4ZGzjlAT4ur7btUiYe1xbo4EWKGBYwX3KosPTOJ0L0n6Q3GpE7oiXvctp4BoqM2x D5CgfSLEALNa+pa7tSczf5TNA/cUDE8HG4no//IXkOCjFmekbqkQVAA47ml9KGso 57OeKQeC4MtLPatw0yBMPTd4TurAvEEIYkqkRPRHs+yclfdKHy1DMDh0wRdtOk0= =iL1x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
