Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Bryan Richter]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:07:15PM -0800, Bryan Richter wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:47:17AM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> > And here's a wild idea -- the "kelly green" is very compatible
> > with your website colors too, and available for both men and
> > women. I would say that is a "cool" green, and I personally don't
> > like it, but it would look great with the white ink. :)
> 
> Might as well throw it in the list of options then, since it does
> look good and doesn't change any logistics.
> 

Actually, I take that back. Maybe let's just restrict to the top three
(light grey, warm grey, cool blue) in order to minimize the "paralysis
of choice" problem, not to mention the "brand dilution" problem.


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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Bryan Richter]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:47:17AM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> And here's a wild idea -- the "kelly green" is very compatible with
> your website colors too, and available for both men and women. I
> would say that is a "cool" green, and I personally don't like it,
> but it would look great with the white ink. :)

Might as well throw it in the list of options then, since it does look
good and doesn't change any logistics.



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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

And here's a wild idea -- the "kelly green" is very compatible with your
website colors too, and available for both men and women. I would say that
is a "cool" green, and I personally don't like it, but it would look great
with the white ink. :)

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Diana Connolly 
wrote:

> I think you could open up the option for both heather and light grey for
> men.  Keep in mind (if you care) that heather grey (gray) is slightly
> "cooler" than light grey.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Diana Connolly  > wrote:
>
>> They suggest adobe illustrator files, and illustrator can handle SVG, so
>> yes.​
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Aaron Wolf 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, should we go with Heather Gray for women's shirts and Light Gray for
>>> men's or both as Heather Gray?
>>>
>>> Having heard the general judgments about darkness and such, I'm actually
>>> heavily inclined toward including the Cool Blue with white ink. I think
>>> there's a chance that could be a great fit with the website colors, and
>>> I'd like it as a shirt myself.
>>>
>>> We could do an initial order that includes some Cool Blue (maybe just
>>> one for me if nobody else wants one specifically) just to see how it
>>> turns out…
>>>
>>> Other than finalizing this and getting selections from people expecting
>>> shirts, the only other outstanding question would seem to be how big the
>>> printed stuff should be. I suppose they can use our mockups as a guide
>>> and make their best judgements, right?
>>>
>>> Finally, I assume sending them SVG files for the designs should be
>>> adequate, right?
>>>
>>> Oh, and for getting choices, we'll need to put up the final design
>>> options on the website (we can put them at the /donate page), so that
>>> way I can go to the people expecting shirts who aren't on this design
>>> list and get their choices.
>>>
>>> Glad this is all coming together!
>>>
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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

I think you could open up the option for both heather and light grey for
men.  Keep in mind (if you care) that heather grey (gray) is slightly
"cooler" than light grey.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Diana Connolly 
wrote:

> They suggest adobe illustrator files, and illustrator can handle SVG, so
> yes.​
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Aaron Wolf  wrote:
>
>> So, should we go with Heather Gray for women's shirts and Light Gray for
>> men's or both as Heather Gray?
>>
>> Having heard the general judgments about darkness and such, I'm actually
>> heavily inclined toward including the Cool Blue with white ink. I think
>> there's a chance that could be a great fit with the website colors, and
>> I'd like it as a shirt myself.
>>
>> We could do an initial order that includes some Cool Blue (maybe just
>> one for me if nobody else wants one specifically) just to see how it
>> turns out…
>>
>> Other than finalizing this and getting selections from people expecting
>> shirts, the only other outstanding question would seem to be how big the
>> printed stuff should be. I suppose they can use our mockups as a guide
>> and make their best judgements, right?
>>
>> Finally, I assume sending them SVG files for the designs should be
>> adequate, right?
>>
>> Oh, and for getting choices, we'll need to put up the final design
>> options on the website (we can put them at the /donate page), so that
>> way I can go to the people expecting shirts who aren't on this design
>> list and get their choices.
>>
>> Glad this is all coming together!
>>
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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

They suggest adobe illustrator files, and illustrator can handle SVG, so
yes.​

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Aaron Wolf  wrote:

> So, should we go with Heather Gray for women's shirts and Light Gray for
> men's or both as Heather Gray?
>
> Having heard the general judgments about darkness and such, I'm actually
> heavily inclined toward including the Cool Blue with white ink. I think
> there's a chance that could be a great fit with the website colors, and
> I'd like it as a shirt myself.
>
> We could do an initial order that includes some Cool Blue (maybe just
> one for me if nobody else wants one specifically) just to see how it
> turns out…
>
> Other than finalizing this and getting selections from people expecting
> shirts, the only other outstanding question would seem to be how big the
> printed stuff should be. I suppose they can use our mockups as a guide
> and make their best judgements, right?
>
> Finally, I assume sending them SVG files for the designs should be
> adequate, right?
>
> Oh, and for getting choices, we'll need to put up the final design
> options on the website (we can put them at the /donate page), so that
> way I can go to the people expecting shirts who aren't on this design
> list and get their choices.
>
> Glad this is all coming together!
>
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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Aaron Wolf]

So, should we go with Heather Gray for women's shirts and Light Gray for
men's or both as Heather Gray?

Having heard the general judgments about darkness and such, I'm actually
heavily inclined toward including the Cool Blue with white ink. I think
there's a chance that could be a great fit with the website colors, and
I'd like it as a shirt myself.

We could do an initial order that includes some Cool Blue (maybe just
one for me if nobody else wants one specifically) just to see how it
turns out…

Other than finalizing this and getting selections from people expecting
shirts, the only other outstanding question would seem to be how big the
printed stuff should be. I suppose they can use our mockups as a guide
and make their best judgements, right?

Finally, I assume sending them SVG files for the designs should be
adequate, right?

Oh, and for getting choices, we'll need to put up the final design
options on the website (we can put them at the /donate page), so that
way I can go to the people expecting shirts who aren't on this design
list and get their choices.

Glad this is all coming together!

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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

Quite simply, all we need now is the final graphics in a form I can hand
off to Bluemill, and a choice of sizes and colors for at least 24 shirts.
Remember, shirt color changes cost nothing.

If people would like to start sending me their choices, I will compile a
list.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Bryan Richter  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:53:22AM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> > Problem with that suggestion is that "light gray" is not available in
> > women's shirts. I just realized myself that the women's shirt palette is
> > quite different than the men's. So the closest thing is the "heather
> gray"
> > for women, which in my humble opinion is just fine for the "cool" shirt.
>
> Cool, good decision.
>
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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Bryan Richter]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:53:22AM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> Problem with that suggestion is that "light gray" is not available in
> women's shirts. I just realized myself that the women's shirt palette is
> quite different than the men's. So the closest thing is the "heather gray"
> for women, which in my humble opinion is just fine for the "cool" shirt.

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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

Problem with that suggestion is that "light gray" is not available in
women's shirts. I just realized myself that the women's shirt palette is
quite different than the men's. So the closest thing is the "heather gray"
for women, which in my humble opinion is just fine for the "cool" shirt.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Bryan Richter  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:20:30AM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> > Just talked to April, she's emailing me some final prices, based on
> > a minimum of 24 shirts. With that minimum, you get a free color
> > change.
> >
> > About the color that shows up when you click on the site for men's
> > colors:
>
> We chose not to use this color, after all. The core two colors we want
> are in mray's mockup image entitled "shirts-diana.png", which are in
> turn directly from your suggestions.
>
> 1. Light grey with dark blue ink (though I am unsure what "dark blue" is,
> precisely)
> 2. Warm grey with white ink
>
> http://i.imgur.com/voPieR3.png
>
> That is, heather gray is not used at all.
>
> The third option, should we take it, would be a dark blue with white
> ink. Whether the dark blue should be "cool blue" or "midnight navy"
> seems like something worth discussing, but I think we should just go
> for the first two shirts for now (leaving more discussion for a later
> time).
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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Bryan Richter]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:20:30AM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> Just talked to April, she's emailing me some final prices, based on
> a minimum of 24 shirts. With that minimum, you get a free color
> change.
> 
> About the color that shows up when you click on the site for men's
> colors:

We chose not to use this color, after all. The core two colors we want
are in mray's mockup image entitled "shirts-diana.png", which are in
turn directly from your suggestions.

1. Light grey with dark blue ink (though I am unsure what "dark blue" is, 
precisely)
2. Warm grey with white ink

http://i.imgur.com/voPieR3.png

That is, heather gray is not used at all.

The third option, should we take it, would be a dark blue with white
ink. Whether the dark blue should be "cool blue" or "midnight navy"
seems like something worth discussing, but I think we should just go
for the first two shirts for now (leaving more discussion for a later
time).



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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

Alrighty,
Here's the news from April:

Here are the prices for both styles of shirts with a 1 color front and
back.  An underlay is not needed with the color combos we talked about
(blue or white on grey shirts and white on blue shirts).   I took a quick
look at the current stock and all colors seem ample, except these for
* ladies:*
"cool blue" is completely out of stock
"warm grey" is out in sizes 2XL and 3XL
"heather grey" is out in size 3XL

*NEXT LEVEL 3600 - men's/unisex*
S-XL = $7.55
2XL = $8.65
3XL = $9.65

*NEXT LEVEL 3900 - ladies*
S-XL = $7.45
2XL = $8.45
3XL = $9.65


*NEW SET-UP FEE: 2 @ $25 = $50*
*-This is the combined total for both designs, assuming 24+ pieces are
ordered.  It is with one set-up being waived.  *

*RESET-UP FEE (for reorders): 2 @ $5 = $10*
*-Same assumption as above.  *



On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Diana Connolly 
wrote:

> Just talked to April, she's emailing me some final prices, based on a
> minimum of 24 shirts. With that minimum, you get a free color change.
>
> About the color that shows up when you click on the site for men's colors:
>
>
> http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w&category=&prb=&srb=&mill=&shade=&color=&product=3600&frames=no&target=main&sponsor=04&nocache=47012
>
> She says the first image IS heather gray, but on her screen, the actual
> color is more like the swatch.
> I wanted to point out that the "cool blue" in the top row is a lot like
> the Snowdrift "deep blue" but she says is is slightly darker than the
> swatch. Again, this is on her screen, so your results may vary... That
> might be a good color if you want to add a blue. The "light gray" is a
> light silver color, slightly warmer in tone to the "heather gray".
>
> There's no extra charge for underlay with white ink, she just does a
> couple of layers of white.
>
> As far as the "feel" of the ink, white ink is denser due to the need for
> opacity, but she said our logo and cartoons are small enough that she
> doesn't think there would be a comfort issue.
>
> She's not gonna charge up front, and prefers cash. :) If we don't get
> around to ordering till I get back from CA (leaving tomorrow - the 29th)
> she said we'd still have plenty of time to get the order in before Jan
> 21st.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Diana Connolly 
> wrote:
>
>> Just touching base... Haven't heard back from April yet, but I just
>> called again and also emailed. I'll let you know when I get the rest of the
>> details.
>>
>> Diana
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Diana Connolly <
>> diana.conno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Prices were based on minimum quantity of 24. I'll clarify when I talk to
>>> April.
>>> On Dec 15, 2015 9:50 AM, "Aaron Wolf"  wrote:
>>>


 On 12/15/2015 09:27 AM, Diana Connolly wrote:
 > Hi Everyone, sorry for the delay, I've been dealing with a hideous
 cold.
 >
 > 1. The set up fees for shirt layouts are $25 each. We need three, one
 > for the logo and two for the different cartoons, so that's 75 bucks.
 >
 > 2. Shirt prices (each):
 > */Style 3600 (men's)/*
 > S-XL = $7.65
 > 2XL = $8.65
 >
 > */Style 3900 (ladies)/*
 > S-XL = $7.45
 > 2XL = $8.45
 >
 > 3. If we an underlay is needed for a white ink on a darker color
 shirt,
 > it's an additional ~70 cents per shirt. I'm waiting to hear back from
 > April at BlueMill to see if we need that for the warm grey.
 >
 > 4. There is extra charge for ink changes buy we get two free, so it
 > doesn't affect us.
 >
 > 4. The email chain is quite long and I haven't read it all. If there
 was
 > someone wanting a darker(or medium) blue t-shirt with white ink, there
 > would be no additional charge, because simply changing shirt color
 > doesn't affect price, unless it needs an underlay. But I believe she
 > told me that if the underlay is white and the ink is white, there is
 no
 > underlay charge. Again, I'm waiting to hear back from April.
 >
 > 5. Unfortunately, there is no light grey for women! There is heather
 > grey. And about that color that everyone seems to like that is the
 > default showing on the men's page? It is heather grey. So maybe we run
 > with heather grey and warm grey? And possibly a darker blue with
 white ink?
 >
 > 6. We can't really see sample shirts because in order to make a sample
 > shirt, the shop incurs all of the setup costs plus has to order the
 > shirts. They can do a digital mockup and then we gotta commit and run
 > with it.
 >
 > 7. They normally have a two week turn-around on orders, with 50% down.
 > We need to know all details (shirt sizes, colors, designs, quantities)
 > before we start.
 >
 > 8. For future reorders, there is a $10 re-setup fee, and then the
 costs
 > of the shirts.
 >
 > That's all I can think of. Hope tha

Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

Just talked to April, she's emailing me some final prices, based on a
minimum of 24 shirts. With that minimum, you get a free color change.

About the color that shows up when you click on the site for men's colors:

http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w&category=&prb=&srb=&mill=&shade=&color=&product=3600&frames=no&target=main&sponsor=04&nocache=47012

She says the first image IS heather gray, but on her screen, the actual
color is more like the swatch.
I wanted to point out that the "cool blue" in the top row is a lot like the
Snowdrift "deep blue" but she says is is slightly darker than the swatch.
Again, this is on her screen, so your results may vary... That might be a
good color if you want to add a blue. The "light gray" is a light silver
color, slightly warmer in tone to the "heather gray".

There's no extra charge for underlay with white ink, she just does a couple
of layers of white.

As far as the "feel" of the ink, white ink is denser due to the need for
opacity, but she said our logo and cartoons are small enough that she
doesn't think there would be a comfort issue.

She's not gonna charge up front, and prefers cash. :) If we don't get
around to ordering till I get back from CA (leaving tomorrow - the 29th)
she said we'd still have plenty of time to get the order in before Jan
21st.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Diana Connolly 
wrote:

> Just touching base... Haven't heard back from April yet, but I just called
> again and also emailed. I'll let you know when I get the rest of the
> details.
>
> Diana
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Diana Connolly  > wrote:
>
>> Prices were based on minimum quantity of 24. I'll clarify when I talk to
>> April.
>> On Dec 15, 2015 9:50 AM, "Aaron Wolf"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/2015 09:27 AM, Diana Connolly wrote:
>>> > Hi Everyone, sorry for the delay, I've been dealing with a hideous
>>> cold.
>>> >
>>> > 1. The set up fees for shirt layouts are $25 each. We need three, one
>>> > for the logo and two for the different cartoons, so that's 75 bucks.
>>> >
>>> > 2. Shirt prices (each):
>>> > */Style 3600 (men's)/*
>>> > S-XL = $7.65
>>> > 2XL = $8.65
>>> >
>>> > */Style 3900 (ladies)/*
>>> > S-XL = $7.45
>>> > 2XL = $8.45
>>> >
>>> > 3. If we an underlay is needed for a white ink on a darker color shirt,
>>> > it's an additional ~70 cents per shirt. I'm waiting to hear back from
>>> > April at BlueMill to see if we need that for the warm grey.
>>> >
>>> > 4. There is extra charge for ink changes buy we get two free, so it
>>> > doesn't affect us.
>>> >
>>> > 4. The email chain is quite long and I haven't read it all. If there
>>> was
>>> > someone wanting a darker(or medium) blue t-shirt with white ink, there
>>> > would be no additional charge, because simply changing shirt color
>>> > doesn't affect price, unless it needs an underlay. But I believe she
>>> > told me that if the underlay is white and the ink is white, there is no
>>> > underlay charge. Again, I'm waiting to hear back from April.
>>> >
>>> > 5. Unfortunately, there is no light grey for women! There is heather
>>> > grey. And about that color that everyone seems to like that is the
>>> > default showing on the men's page? It is heather grey. So maybe we run
>>> > with heather grey and warm grey? And possibly a darker blue with white
>>> ink?
>>> >
>>> > 6. We can't really see sample shirts because in order to make a sample
>>> > shirt, the shop incurs all of the setup costs plus has to order the
>>> > shirts. They can do a digital mockup and then we gotta commit and run
>>> > with it.
>>> >
>>> > 7. They normally have a two week turn-around on orders, with 50% down.
>>> > We need to know all details (shirt sizes, colors, designs, quantities)
>>> > before we start.
>>> >
>>> > 8. For future reorders, there is a $10 re-setup fee, and then the costs
>>> > of the shirts.
>>> >
>>> > That's all I can think of. Hope that clarifies everything you guys need
>>> > to know. I'll send out another email when I hear from April about the
>>> > underlay for white ink. I can facilitate ordering, but I'll be out of
>>> > town from Dec. 18th - 29th. So I can do it either before or after
>>> that. :)
>>> >
>>> > Diana
>>> >
>>>
>>> Thanks for getting all those details. So, there's no quantity discount
>>> issues, apparently? That makes it definitely reasonable to do a modest
>>> order at first and regularly place new orders as we go, which is
>>> certainly easier for cash-flow. Also, for the superb quality of these
>>> shirts, those prices seems great.
>>>
>>> Re: Heather Gray, can you just ask them for a subjective judgment of
>>> whether it is on the lighter or darker side in terms of the two images
>>> of it on the website, which seems more accurate to them?
>>>
>>> My inclination is to offer Light Gray and Heather Gray both as options
>>> or at least order some of each just so we see the results for future
>>> reference. And I could see ordering 

Re: [Design] Stickers

[Aaron Wolf]

On 12/18/2015 12:29 AM, mray wrote:
> 
> 
> On 18.12.2015 02:25, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/2015 05:08 PM, mray wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17.12.2015 21:31, mray wrote:
 During the last meeting we decided to go for 4 certain stickers

 1. logo symbol only
 2. logo symbol & type
 3. eunice with shovel shovel over logo & type
 4. mimi & eunice shaking hands over logo & type

 At the time that particular versions of the stickers were not coherent
 enough. So I worked on them some more


 This is how I would send them to print:
 https://github.com/mray/Snowdrift-Design/blob/master/sticker/stickers2.svg


 Thoughts?

>>>
>>> I just noticed that having a white shovel only works on the sticker.
>>> The homepage needs to stick to the dark shovels which is why I updated
>>> the sticker accordingly.
>>>
>>
>> I was always fine with the homepage as is, I think the lighter shovel on
>> the sticker is nicer though. What about the t-shirt design?
>>
> 
> I'd like to stay consistency. Shovels need to look either one way or the
> other. Next to each other the lighter would even more look like a sign.
> 

I'm fine with the dark shovel in the sticker if you are.

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Re: [Design] Stickers

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On 18.12.2015 02:25, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/17/2015 05:08 PM, mray wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 17.12.2015 21:31, mray wrote:
>>> During the last meeting we decided to go for 4 certain stickers
>>>
>>> 1. logo symbol only
>>> 2. logo symbol & type
>>> 3. eunice with shovel shovel over logo & type
>>> 4. mimi & eunice shaking hands over logo & type
>>>
>>> At the time that particular versions of the stickers were not coherent
>>> enough. So I worked on them some more
>>>
>>>
>>> This is how I would send them to print:
>>> https://github.com/mray/Snowdrift-Design/blob/master/sticker/stickers2.svg
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> I just noticed that having a white shovel only works on the sticker.
>> The homepage needs to stick to the dark shovels which is why I updated
>> the sticker accordingly.
>>
> 
> I was always fine with the homepage as is, I think the lighter shovel on
> the sticker is nicer though. What about the t-shirt design?
> 

I'd like to stay consistency. Shovels need to look either one way or the
other. Next to each other the lighter would even more look like a sign.



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