[Design-team] Constantine
I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine. When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any religious implications and stay only with cultural references. Think of something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some modernist imagery and some blue. It also can work like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols for our 4 foundations. Get a better idea from those photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/ I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea hs some potential. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
Constantine = put all together to more feedback , like NICEA :)) -- My sites: http://free-tutorials.org - tutorials http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://catalinfest.xhost.ro - stuff http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com - my pygame blog ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote: Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this old mosaic style and improve it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ). About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options). Also I had the the Lion we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new? We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release. The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor (also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother? The fact is Constantine was an emperor and for this link it was voted by people). Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just brainstorming a bit... Yeah, now is the time for it, let the ideas flow (as long as they are not related to the movie starring Keanu Reeves, but even that movie can have a positive use by setting a link: Constantine was a movie, so we can try to call Fedora 13 friday, as in Friday 13 :p ) For example I expect Mo, after arriving home from a *long* plane trip to propose a steampunk approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium#Fourth_stanza ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
Maybe mosaic is not very good ... I thinking 3D stuff like a papirus ... What do you think about this ? -- My sites: http://free-tutorials.org - tutorials http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://catalinfest.xhost.ro - stuff http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com - my pygame blog ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
. I'd be very disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained and sober. I don't say that ? if you want an idea of parallel : I think like new car design create from old one . See this concept : http://blog.uncovering.org/archives/uploads/2008/08053001_blog.uncovering.org_quattroflex.jpg Maybe is to much :) 2009/6/28 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net One should remember that one characteristic of Byzantine art (the oriental roman empire) was its lavish use of gold . I'd be very disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained and sober. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- My sites: http://free-tutorials.org - tutorials http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://catalinfest.xhost.ro - stuff http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com - my pygame blog ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
Hy there, the mosaic idea combined with something else (no, not the F-Logo, to simple...) out of the Constantine-theme maybe?! The east meets west slogan i also find attractive. Something like a fist holding a sword made out of mosaic stones or in steampunk lineart OR a line art made of the Constantine head and also out of mosaic stones... I'm also thinking about a rotating Constantine head, but thats more for the wish-list as screensaver ;-) mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonde...@fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 Joost Elfering schrieb: the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use from the associations. i think we now have: - mosaic - the line art from wonderer (http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png, http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg) SO: what can we do with the concept east meets west? I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building together. some inspirational images: http://images.google.ru/images?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficialum=1newwindow=1sa=1q=istanbul+bazaarbtnG=Search+imagesaq=foq= http://images.google.ru/images?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficialum=1newwindow=1sa=1q=istanbul+bazaarbtnG=Search+imagesaq=foq= yope out. On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej fedora-...@brej.org mailto:fedora-...@brej.org wrote: On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote: On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote: Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this old mosaic style and improve it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ). About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options). Also I had the the Lion we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new? We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release. Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
On 06/28/2009 05:24 AM, nicu buculei wrote: I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine. When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any religious implications and stay only with cultural references. Think of something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some modernist imagery and some blue. It also can work like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols for our 4 foundations. Get a better idea from those photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/ I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea hs some potential. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is Constantine doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Michael Beckwith michael.d.beckw...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is Constantine doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there. that's what i'm trying to achieve, think outside of the man and think of associations you get with the word. that brings new ideas and inspiration to the table. yope out! -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
I like the East meets West, that gives us tons of room to work lots of things in. The coinage from the age has some very big themes- props to the military (not too useful) and something called a 'camp gatehttp://fc.kcsd.org/%7Evciviletti/cpwpages2/CampGate.html'. Gates are nice for East meets west. Winged Victory in a chariot is also featured, and it's is nice, but looks like an Christian angel. Angie On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM, wonderer wonderer4...@gmx.de wrote: Hy there, the mosaic idea combined with something else (no, not the F-Logo, to simple...) out of the Constantine-theme maybe?! The east meets west slogan i also find attractive. Something like a fist holding a sword made out of mosaic stones or in steampunk lineart OR a line art made of the Constantine head and also out of mosaic stones... I'm also thinking about a rotating Constantine head, but thats more for the wish-list as screensaver ;-) mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonde...@fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 Joost Elfering schrieb: the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use from the associations. i think we now have: - mosaic - the line art from wonderer ( http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png, http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg) SO: what can we do with the concept east meets west? I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building together. some inspirational images: http://images.google.ru/images?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficialum=1newwindow=1sa=1q=istanbul+bazaarbtnG=Search+imagesaq=foq= yope out. On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej fedora-...@brej.org wrote: On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote: On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote: Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this old mosaic style and improve it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ). About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options). Also I had the the Lion we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new? We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release. Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- ___ design-team mailing listdesign-t...@lists.fedoraproject.orghttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Constantine
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:46 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is Constantine doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there. I found some inspiration in W.B. Yeats' 'Sailing to Byzantium' [1]. There are some interesting themes in there (and even a link to steam... er.. byzantine-punk). I'll just throw these out there; they may all suck but crappy ideas can inspire awesome ideas so if they inspire something in you let's talk about it: - Mortality vs Immortality - Byzantine art culture flourished over 1000 years (330-1453) and is still known of today - We can relate this to Fedora - Fedora does not try to only look 'cool' on the surface and not have much substance underneath; Fedora is very concerned about quality and doing the right thing. Fedora hopefully is at the forefront of promoting a culture/philosophy and producing a quality system that will bring order and the right way forward. A few ideas on representing this: have a simple transparent (or not quite drawn-in) subject grow in complexity depth and become more opaque maybe. Or go from weak to saturated colors and/or values. The message would be along the lines of Fedora's hopeful grasp towards greatness/eternity. - The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect - building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy' light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives). Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe. - Order from Chaos - Constantine was known for bringing order to the chaos of the Roman empire at the time he began rule and Constantinople seems to have served as a central hub / symbol of that order. Perhaps Fedora is the Constantinople to the chaos of crappy, proprietary software. The message would be that open source software is inevitable and is the way forward to order and progress. - Liberation through enlightenment - '... Consume my heart away; sick with desire... gather me Into the artifice of eternity.' Liberation of the soul from worldly desires... liberation of the software and more generally culture from worldly desires...? worldly desires = closed firmware and patented codecs? hehe - Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed - alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a trading center where many cultures intersected. ~m [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
