Re: [Design-team] Feedback for backgrounds

2009-07-31 Thread Cata
Sorry about this ...

I see wallpaper is great .

But 4 flowers and Constantine ?!

I really can see the connection ...

2009/7/31 Misha Shnurapet zayzay...@yandex.ru

 I would like to share impression. «4 Flowers» would be great as the
 default wallpaper. It produces an image of something light.

 But it needs to be polished much, just like Samuele did in his previous
 work. :-)

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Re: [Design-team] Feedback for backgrounds

2009-07-31 Thread Samuele Storari

- Cata catalinf...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Sorry about this ... 
 
 I see wallpaper is great . 
 
 But 4 flowers and Constantine ?! 
 
 I really can see the connection ... 


The Connection is explained in the past e-mail, it's in the meaning of the 
flower Eastern Flower for an Easter's Emperor, and I think you don't need that 
I have to explain you why 4 :D 
Constantine wasn't only war, wasn't only a conquer, but a great art lover and 
supported he created a lot of garden in Bisanzio, making it not only a capital, 
but a real treasure. 



 
 
 2009/7/31 Misha Shnurapet  zayzay...@yandex.ru  
 

I would like to share impression. «4 Flowers» would be great as the 
 default wallpaper. It produces an image of something light. 
 
 But it needs to be polished much, just like Samuele did in his previous 
 work. :-) 
 
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Re: [Design-team] Another icon request

2009-07-31 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 07/31/2009 12:53 AM, Evangeline McGlynn wrote:

 I can take this on if no one else has started.

As far as I know, nobody else is working on this.

 I'm part way through with the speaker and subwoofer icons (attached).
 The SpeakerIcon_Test file is just to show what the speakers would look
 like at different angles.  Obviously, these are super flat and un-styled
 at the moment, but if the concept seems reasonable I can keep working
 and polish them off.

While I am not the requester, I like what you did so far, good job Eve!

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Re: [Design-team] Feedback for backgrounds

2009-07-31 Thread Misha Shnurapet
В Птн, 31/07/2009 в 16:25 +0300, Cata пишет:
 Sorry about this ...
 
 I see wallpaper is great .
 
 But 4 flowers and Constantine ?! 
 
 I really can see the connection ...

This has been a hard task since Fedora 10, so to speak. :) There is a
connection explained, though.

 
 2009/7/31 Misha Shnurapet zayzay...@yandex.ru
 I would like to share impression. «4 Flowers» would be great
 as the
 default wallpaper. It produces an image of something light.
 
 But it needs to be polished much, just like Samuele did in his
 previous
 work. :-)
 
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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Jayme Ayres
2009/7/31 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
 Hey all,

 we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
 theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
 undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).

 We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
 back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.

I really like the radical changes, I agree, and if I can help in any
subject available to me.
The new styles of buttons is amazing! Awesome!

Congrats!


 Let me know what you think.
 I'd like to make this change for the alpha.


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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
 Hey all,
 
 we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
 theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
 undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).
 
 We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
 back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.

Well, that would still be a visual change. Given that he's restarting
nodoka from scratch, that would leave the options as being either:
- go to clearlooks
- stay with the old nodoka version
?

Also, would we be changing the icon set?

Bill
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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:17 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
 theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
 undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).
 
 We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
 back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.
 
 Let me know what you think. 
 I'd like to make this change for the alpha.
 
 
 Matthias
 
Hi,

The rework is going to take a unspecified (and probably rather long)
amount of time (I work on it when I have spare time and feel like
working on it, and apart from the buttons, I don't even have the design
fully prepared) and it will be just another option. It definitely won't
be in Fedora 12 and I won't even push it to Fedora (even rawhide, due to
the nature of development) until it is both feature complete and well
tested. The current style (with possible minor updates) will stay
available in a similar way like Clearlooks engine provides e.g. CLASSIC
style. Also, some of the goals are to prepare for possible changes in
widget theming in Gtk3 and making it easier to create QT4 variant of the
theme.

As an author of the engine, I'd be biased in the opinion whether to use
Clearlooks or Nodoka in F12, so I can only assure you that Nodoka will
stay same in F12 as is in F11 (sans progress-entry support used e.g. in
Rawhide's Epiphany and some minor fixes here and there). 

If you don't want radical visual changes, stay with Nodoka for F12, and
when the rework gets completed we can reevaluate whether we want to stay
with classic Nodoka, go with the updated Nodoka, or revert to
Clearlooks (or whatever will be the upstream default by then).

Martin


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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:35 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
  Hey all,
  
  we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
  theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
  undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).
  
  We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
  back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.
 
 Well, that would still be a visual change. Given that he's restarting
 nodoka from scratch, that would leave the options as being either:
 - go to clearlooks
 - stay with the old nodoka version
 ?

I see that I should have phrased this better... 

What I meant to covey is: we _do_ want some visual change, e.g. get rid
of some small annoyances in the current default theme, such as the
dotted lines in treeviews. 

But as far as change goes, it is probably fine to keep it subtle (like
going to Clearlooks) and not radical, like Lennart proposes (pick a dark
default theme). 

 Also, would we be changing the icon set?

I don't think think we have readily available options here. gnome-colors
is popular and has a nice blue variant, but it is not packaged for
Fedora atm. 
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME-colors?content=82562



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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 17:36 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:35 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
  Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
   Hey all,
   
   we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
   theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
   undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).
   
   We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
   back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.
  
  Well, that would still be a visual change. Given that he's restarting
  nodoka from scratch, that would leave the options as being either:
  - go to clearlooks
  - stay with the old nodoka version
  ?
 
 I see that I should have phrased this better... 
 
 What I meant to covey is: we _do_ want some visual change, e.g. get rid
 of some small annoyances in the current default theme, such as the
 dotted lines in treeviews. 
 
These can be turned off by changing listviewstyle engine option to 0 and
I'll do it if there is such desire. What are the other small annoyances?

Martin


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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:55:53AM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 Am Freitag, den 31.07.2009, 17:36 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
  On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:35 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
   Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
Hey all,

we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).

We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.
 
 From what I see the change in Nodoka is not that radical, even if Martin
 started from scratch. A change to Clearlooks would be IMO more radical -
 and more boring.
 
 Nodoka has become a characteristic of Fedora, it's developed by a Fedora
 member inside the Project. I think we should stick with Nodoka,  at
 least for F12. There will be no major changes and we can decide again
 for F13 about whether we follow Martins approach or go somewhere else.
[...snip...]

I agree, but I think Martin is amenable to fixing minor annoyances so
let's see a list of what those are, and explore fixing them for F12.

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Re: [Design-team] The default theme for F12

2009-07-31 Thread Misha Shnurapet
В Птн, 31/07/2009 в 15:17 -0400, Matthias Clasen пишет:
 Hey all,
 
 we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity
 theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to
 undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).
 
 We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go
 back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.
 
 Let me know what you think. 
 I'd like to make this change for the alpha.
 
 
 Matthias

I think switching theme is fine as long as the window decorations change
too. :)

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