[Design-team] Design Suite spin page: current progress (HTML template applied)
I took the content from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Spins_Page and put it into the HTML template to see what it would look like: http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/spins/designsuite_spinpage.html We're lacking images/screenshots and an About section, as described in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spin_webpage_creation_SOP. I seem to recall some students from Allegheny posting notes/application reviews that could be turned into an "About" section similar to http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/#about - anyone know where those are? A look through the (design-team) list archives doesn't turn up anything for me, but I may have overlooked it. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Update for Fedora teams: What's happening with the Allegheny class?
Just checked in with jadudm and updated the #fedora-mktg channel, but figured the other two teams (as well as Marketing folks who are not in-channel right now) should also know, and that the FS102 students should see what's being said about them. ;) Thank you, as always, for being part of this grand experiment. I'm *really* pleased with what we've done and what we've learned so far. --Mel 15:46 < mchua> ok - update for folks looking for Allegheny people: this week is their last week of class to work on projects, and they're out filming video interviews about what they've done so far 15:46 < mchua> they also have a reflection paper that we'll be getting which should provide a lot of insight on what the new contrib experience is like 15:46 < mchua> so a lot of them are off doing that today 15:46 < mchua> but they have been encouraged to hit the lists and tell us how they're winding down their projects 15:47 * mchua hopes this is accurate, will send to mktg list and ask jadum and DarrenMiller to correct if needed 15:47 < mchua> so after class today I'll be looking at the status of each team's project and seeing what we know and what we've seen from the Fedora side of what they've done 15:48 < mchua> and then we can go from there (They might go "oh, we did more, here is where you haven't found it yet" or someone else in Fedora might go "oh, Mel, you totally missed X") 15:48 < mchua> and thursday is our chance to wind down with 'em 15:48 < mchua> and then... well, we'll have the release 15:48 < mchua> But after that we'll be sure to do a debrief about how the class experience went, and how we can do better next time. 15:48 * mchua is, overall, very pleased 15:48 < mchua> (and barely keeping up) 15:49 * mchua --> deliverables! ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] F13 spin websites: home stretch
This is what I believe to be the remaining tasks to get the 4 new spin pages to v.1.0 for the F13 release, in order of how close they are to shippable. Copying spin owners here as well. The urgent thing here that we don't already have covered is the banners - so copying the design team also, with a plea to look at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/132. We may have a newcomer who can take a shot at it, but they will need guidance if so (and we'll find out tomorrow whether they can help in time). Freeze is Tuesday, so I believe that is the deadline we are shooting for (what time on Tuesday, in what timezone?) --Mel == Security == http://spins.fedoraproject.org/security/ (hurrah updated screenshot!) * downloads need to be made available via http://spins.fedoraproject.org/security/#downloads * we may want to point http://spins.fedoraproject.org/security/#support towards more security-specific locations (however, it's not bad if this section ships as-is) == Moblin == http://spins.fedoraproject.org/moblin/ * needs banner, images (https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/132) * new content in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Moblin_Spin#Spin_description needs to be pushed to the main page * new content in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Moblin_Spin#About needs to be pushed to "about" tab, with screenshots added * downloads need to be made available via http://spins.fedoraproject.org/moblin/#downloads == SoaS == http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/ * needs banner, images (https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/132) * downloads need to be made available via http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads, with a link out to "how to put this on your thumbdrive" instructions == Design == http://spins.fedoraproject.org/design/ * needs banner, images (https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/132) * needs screenshot for front page * needs About text written, pushed to "about" tab, preferably with screenshots * downloads need to be made available via http://spins.fedoraproject.org/design/#downloads (also, fix typos) * we may want to add text, or a link to a wiki page, about joining the Design team in the "Support" tab (however, it's not bad if this section ships as-is) ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Allegheny students invite you to their release party
Students from Allegheny Activism And Fedora will be having an end-of-semester (and early F13 celebration) party on May 4, 2010 from 11-noon EST. They'd like to invite the Fedora community to join them - virtually! We'll be hanging out in #allegheny - feel free to ping me (mchua) with any questions on the day of. If you're around, would like a ping, and generally want to hang out with the crew, list your availability for Skype, IRC, or both, and we will ping you on the day of the party. (Yes, we know Skype is non-Free... if you have a better alternative, we'd love to hear it, but we really need a simple-to-set-up (for the professors) and fairly reliable video link.) More details and sign-up: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_Release_party_visit_scheduling Hope to see y'all there! --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F13 spin websites: home stretch
On 05/02/2010 03:38 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 02.05.2010, 01:23 -0400 schrieb Mel Chua: >> This is what I believe to be the remaining tasks to get the 4 new spin >> pages to v.1.0 for the F13 release, in order of how close they are to >> shippable. Copying spin owners here as well. > > I have to admit that I'm a little confused now. What exactly are the > spin owners required to do here? In the past we got mail from the > design team and just had send our material to them. This doesn't seem > to have happened. Nothing right now, really - I mostly included the spin owners for the specific pages we were working on so that you folks would be in the loop. Sorry for the confusion. I do agree we need a clearer workflow/division-of-responsibilities for spin pages, though. There was more confusion this time than there probably needs to be. There are some notes in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spin_webpage_creation_SOP that could be cleaned up and improved, and perhaps documentation of a workflow could go there as well. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] F13 spin websites: done!
All right - it's freeze day, and I *believe* we're good to ship. Fresh eyeballs welcome; I've been staring at these pages way too long. http://spins.fedoraproject.org/moblin http://spins.fedoraproject.org/security http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas http://spins.fedoraproject.org/design I've also added these (and tweaked the content on) the talking points, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points#Spins, which are now done and ready to ship to Ambassadors (Marketing team, take note!) I've checked each page for content, banner, and at least a main screenshot on the front page. The final changes (screenshots for soas and design) are syncing now but should be up in an hour or so. The screenshot (actually an action shot) for design has slightly offset text when you click the image to enlarge it, but it's still legible (and I couldn't figure out how to fix it), so... all right. I talked with Sijis in #fedora-websites tonight and he explained that he'll filter content automagically on release day so the correct spins (with their smaller banners) will show up on the main spins.fp.o page, and that download links are similarly automagically created then. Thank you to Sijis for his patient help in all things related to the website build system, Joerg for making the Security spin site totally shine, Peter for Moblin spin content corrections, Sebastian for screenshots and template change-merging ninjahood, Mo for design advice and the Design spin action shot, Melanie (first time Fedora/Design contributor) for creating all the banners that we needed at the last moment, the Allegheny crew for being game and helping us discover our need for http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spin_webpage_creation_SOP (which, btw, could use some help now that we know the answer to "how do you make a spin page?" is "it takes too long"), Ian for copyediting and trademark reminders, and... well, if I've forgotten anyone, please holler. :) --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Willem de Kooning academy design program: interested in working with Fedora
Logs that people may find interesting: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-07-23/oscon_talk_on_edu_+_foss_+_design.2010-07-23-17.12.html They're from an OSCON talk about a program at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_de_Kooning_Academy and how it's using FOSS (both the tools/tech and the open source way of doing things) as a requirement for its Masters students . http://pzwart.wdka.nl/networked-media/category/study-programme/description-philosophy/ "We offer a Master programme focused on a critical engagement with the culture of the Internet and computer media, their artistic design, technology and theory. It is a small course with a highly international community of students and teachers, and a strong emphasis on personal contact and collaboration... Free and Open Source Software and do-it-yourself ethic play a key role in the programme. Aside from its obvious benefit of giving you... toolchains at zero cost, Open Source software tends to be extremely modular, open to DIY and custom applications. It gives value to seemingly outmoded hardware, and provides you with building blocks for your own projects rather than solutions that strongly preformat the function and aesthetics of your work." They're very interested in talking more with the Fedora Design Team - one possible framing is "do the tools, techniques, and etc. we're experimenting with in our (physical) school transfer to distributed online communities as well?" but mizmo may have other angles, as she talked with them on IRC for a bit (as did tatica and ianweller). They're very interested in tools and processes for collaborative design, more than they are interested in direct replacements for existing design software (so design hub, http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/design-hub-update/, is more interesting to them than "GIMP is like Free Photoshop! and so forth). Immediate things for discussion at the meeting: * Can we try out PickPic for them and let them know if it's a useful tool (and if so, would Fedora folks be interested in helping with coding/deployment, as this is a prototype written by artists who aren't devleopers?) http://django.parcodiyellowstone.it/accounts/login/?redirect_to=/pickpic/selectproject/ * Is anyone from Fedora Design interested in going to http://makeart.goto10.org/call/ to meet up with them and figure out how to start collaborating? (Poitiers, France, 4-7 November) * Can someone reach out to these folks and see if any of their students would like to do/deploy their projects within Fedora - contribute to the Design Team as part of their coursework, or otherwise? * Can someone reach out to them and get them to review the Design Suite Spin? That's off the top of my head, for meeting discussion today. Cheers, --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Self-introduction: Mel Chua
Hi! I'm Mel Chua (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua). I'm new to the Design team, though I hang out in Marketing and Websites and am generally watching and learning in a lot of places. I studied engineering (electrical, so the FEL redesign ticket was an "ooh, shiny" one for me) and am, in general, obsessed with education. I'm currently a Community Architecture intern at Red Hat; open-source communities are awesome. I actually originally planned on studying art and graphic design in college, but my parents said no, so I took up engineering instead and crammed design classes into my schedule. Being at an engineering school, these classes were more product design and ethnography than anything that would actually improve my art/color/layout skills, so while I have (for instance) some interviewing mojo, my actual "making things" abilities are not so great. After seeing Mo transform my POSSE logo sketch (documented on http://blog.melchua.com/2009/07/11/the-posse-logo-progression/) into a thing of Awesomeness, I went "...oh wow, I want to learn to do that!" And so I'm here. I probably won't have a ton of bandwidth to do 100% Design Stuff - maybe a few things in conjunction with Marketing, or Websites, since I'm working on those anyway - but at the least I'll watch and learn, and if I'm able to help out, I shall. I am particularly curious about... * the design process (how do you tell whether a design is "good"? I don't know how to frame this question properly.) * colors. Because I can't figure out how to develop an eye for color, no matter what I try. * paper prototyping and other quick-and-dirty mockup techniques for user testing I tried taking my first ticket as per the join instructions, which was a hackergotchi (really, really small project). I wasn't sure whether you had to wait for approval for the list before commenting on the ticket, so I erred in the "release early release often" direction since this was a tiny, tiny ticket... let me know if I should do anything different next time. https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/51#comment:1 --Mel PS: I have been reading the archives and looking through old tickets and I am in awe. You folks have mad, mad skillz. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] fedora logo modification for stainless steel plate laser
> I'm definitly not a designer like you guys. I'm a technician. > I love the fedora logo and I thought i can laser the logo on little stainless > steel plates. A thought - I don't know what model laser machine you have, but the ones I've seen do both engraving and cutting. Could you engrave the "infinity" part and cut out the "f-cross" part? That would keep the aspect ratio intact. Another technique I've seen done involves creating slits for shading - the distance between the slits can be less than the thickness of the material, since the slits are so narrow, especially if the material is as strong as stainless steel is. http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/sketches/lasercut-fedora.png --Mel (an engineer who's played with laser cutters, and is also here to learn design) ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] fedora logo modification for stainless steel plate laser
> However, in your case I don't really see a better option than you tried > (but i also lack any experience with laser cutting). Hope Mo and Paul > can get you more useful answers, since they are more suted to talk about > logo usage. I can't speak to the logo usage/legal part of things, but a couple engineering buddies with more laser experience than I've got concur: if you can etch the "infinity" part, all problems are solved. (I've yet to find a laser cutter that can't engrave, and they seem to be making similar assumptions.) http://blog.melchua.com/2009/07/28/how-to-lasercut-a-logo --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Design + Marketing schedules: Synced!
Design and Marketing folks: just a heads-up so you know the stuff that the two groups will be working on together for this release cycle - Mo and I just froze the milestone dates for things the two teams will be collaborating on (our version is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule). Here are the relevant parts for y'all on what Marketing is going to deliver for Design... Select a release slogan 2009-09-17 Make sure Design has the release slogan so they can start designing. Final release slogan is ready for websites/design 2009-09-17 Marketing creates this, influenced by the Design themes/wallpaper/etc. for the release. The slogan then (circularly?) affects the Design team's release button/banner for the website. Need to make sure this lines up with Design and Website's dates. This date is a start date; the end date needs to be set in conjunction with Design. (For Marketing's reference...) Groups we (Marketing) have synced with: Websites, Design Groups left to sync with: Docs, Ambassadors, News ...that is all. Thanks for your time! --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
On 08/07/2009 06:48 PM, Kris Thomsen wrote: > Another thing, is there a central place to put the icons we made, or is > it just on personal servers and local computers? :-) I've seen a lot of the design team uploading files to their fedorapeople space. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org has details. Of course, there may be a better / more canonical location that I don't yet know about... --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Design opportunity: SugarZilla
Steven Parrish is working on a more user-friendly bugzilla interface: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-August/msg00089.html ...but how do we know if it will actually be more user-friendly? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-August/msg00094.html This sounds like an opportunity for DESIGN! *DAH-dah-DAHHH* (just a fyi, in case anyone is interested. carry on.) --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine
Marketing! Logistics! Documentation! News! Design! Ambassadors! (If I've missed a group that should know about this, please forward it on and let me know.) Linux Pro Magazine (LPM) has proposed to make a special Fedora print issue for F12 - thousands of magazines out on newsstands internationally with an F12 DVD tucked inside. This would be very, very cool. We're trying to figure out whether this is possible, whether we should do it, and (if both of those are "yes"), how the balance of work would be distributed between the Fedora community (perhaps with help from the Red Hat Brand team) and LPM. We'd love your thoughts and feedback. This is moving quite rapidly (it first came up on Wednesday afternoon; we need to give a yes or no for F12 next week), so I've summarized the current state of things on a project page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. We would particularly love your ideas for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Contribution_balance. Rikki Kite from LPM is being absolutely awesome about transparency for this entire process, has made a version of the proposal for public consumption (it's all the information that we have, minus financials and circulation numbers): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal. If you have any questions, please add them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Questions - myself, Max Spevack, Karsten Wade, and David Nalley will be calling Rikki and the folks at LPM tomorrow (Friday), so that'll be a first chance (definitely not the last!) to get some of these questions answered. --Mel PS: One of the most surprising things I've learned in the last 24 hours is that the good folks down in LATAM are already doing a Fedora magazine - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Of_Magazine_work_done_by_the_Fedora_community. Ambassadors *rock.* ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora Insight Zikula on pt6 Is About To Be Upgraded
On 09/04/2009 04:40 PM, Affix wrote: > Zikula Upgraded to Zikula 1.1.2 Wow - and the skin's back up on there as well (as a checkout from an SVN repository, svnfedora-zikula-theme, w00t)! Thanks, Keiran - this is fantastic. Do the instructions on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox still work, or is there anything we need to do to edit them to reflect the install process for 1.1.2? --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 12 Design Schedule Reminder
> Like I said on IRC, I have some time and will be willing to push forward > with at least some of these. Anyone else interested in helping out? I'm overloaded with Marketing stuff this week and out at training the week after and can't participate myself 'till after that, but: might I suggest hollering out to the Design list when you'll be working on things, and being on IRC while you work if you can? Sometimes worksprints - multiple people piling into IRC and hacking away at a giant task list - make the job a lot more fun and way, way faster. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] CSS help needed for 1 hour tomorrow at 2100 UTC
We have a number of design-related (largely CSS) tickets for Fedora Insight, but only one that has a specific scheduling window we need to hit. Does anyone here... (1) have CSS skills (2) is free to be on IRC for an hour exactly 22.25 hours from now (2100 UTC) to do some CSS tweaking/consulting? If so, please see https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/72 (However, F12 deliverables take priority, so if it's a choice between working on those and working on this, please work on F12 stuff! I'm looking at this as an opportunity for someone who can't currently pitch in with F12 design deliverables to be able to chip in in a small but very concrete way.) Thanks! --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Last-minute design help needed: FUDCon ad
So we had the FUDCon ad all finished, and then there was a last-minute change of format, and from B&W to color. But we did it! https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/71#comment:17 ...the wrong way 'round. It works this way, Chris is going to print it sideways if we need to, but in case someone wants to pick up a quick last-minute tweak, the ticket's up. Chris notes the final file is needed by noon EDT (approx 4.5 hours from now). We are ok as-is, so this is not a PANIC NOW! ticket, more a "if you want to tweak it, noon EDT is the cutoff" note. --Mel (in #fedora-design) 11:14:29 < brejc8> is that "4.25" (tall) x 5.5" (wide)" ? 11:16:09 < brejc8> mchua: do you have the widths and heights the right way round? 11:17:43 < mchua> brejc8: ...ARGH (over in #fudcon-planning) 11:19:12 < mchua> ctyler: um... can you print it sideways? 11:19:22 * mchua should probably not inkscape in the wee hours of the morning 11:19:41 < ctyler> mchua: we could, but it might look... sideways 11:20:01 < mchua> ctyler: "adds visual interest"? 11:20:08 * ctyler feels really bad about the last minute changes 11:20:44 * mchua could add "why is this ad sideways? come to FUDCon Toronto and ask Chris Tyler to find out!" ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Last-minute design help needed: FUDCon ad
On 10/26/2009 07:29 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > So we had the FUDCon ad all finished, and then there was a last-minute > change of format, and from B&W to color. But we did it! > > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/71#comment:17 > > ...the wrong way 'round. And 40 minutes later, Charlie and Nicu fix the ad. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/10/26/fudcon-ad-fixed-wow-that-was-fast/ Fedora rocks. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] FUDCon Toronto 2009 T-shirt design
On 11/07/2009 03:20 PM, Charlie Brej wrote: > On 06/11/09 23:16, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 05:54:33PM +, Charlie Brej wrote: >>> On 03/11/09 17:16, Paul W. Frields wrote: Someone kindly produced a FUDCon Toronto 2009 shirt design. Unfortunately though, the t-shirt printers in Toronto are having a problem with some of the smaller text. Is it possible to constrain the minimum text size in the tag clouds used in the logo design? I know someone had written a clever script to output these shirts, but I'm darned if I can find it. If someone directs me to the right place with a simple instructional nudge or two, I can probably regenerate it myself, possibly even figure out how to add a constraint if that's helpful. I know enough Python to be dangerous, or at least stupid. >>> >>> The sources are available here: >>> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/T-Shirts/FUDcon%20Shirts/FUDcon%20Boston%202009/Word%20logo%20generator/ >>> >>> To change the minimum font size, change the "#define MINFONT 4" in >>> wordlogo.c to 5 or higher. To change the words edit the script >>> called "script". >>> >>> I can set this up if someone supplies me the list of words. >> >> Charlie, I could use help with this, if you have time. I'll get >> someone on the fudcon-planning list to find a list of words, and >> indicate to you the minimum font size that will work for the printer, >> and get them to you. >> >> I think we need two things, then: >> >> * Resolution of design-team ticket #77 >> (https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/77) regarding the >> FUDCon logo alignment -- making sure that the T-shirt generator >> produces correctly aligned "leaves" in the logo as well >> >> * Generation of the actual art for the printer. >> >> Are these things you'd be willing to help with? >> > > Sure, no probs, supply me the list of words and we will start there. Bert Desmet (copied) did the original FUDCon Toronto shirt designs (by hand, because we didn't know about the scripts back then), and iirc grabbed a lot of the words from the wikipedia article on Toronto. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Finished first wallpaper...now what?
> Ok thanks for the help.I got it all done now. Here is the link if you > want to check it out. It is my first wallpaper here so obviously not the > best. http://linxguy16.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-Wallpaper-1-145039699 > Tell me what you think :D Ooh, I like it. What did you make it in? I was wondering if I could get the svg source (I'd like to try layering the "freedom + infinity = fedora" part over the F12 background to see how it looks) but looking closely at the image shows some artifacts around the edges of the "f" in 'freedom,' so I'm guessing you did this with the GIMP? --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] wondering what to do
On 11/30/2009 01:53 AM, Brad wrote: > I am wondering what to do. As of now, I have sharpened up my GIMP > skills. Are there any mini-projects around in need of another designer? > Thanks! :D If you know CSS, Marketing could use some help with Fedora Insight stuff: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Einsight&order=priority But there are always tons of active tickets: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/report/3 --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] First Design Suite Build
On 12/22/2009 03:36 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 12/22/2009 01:01 AM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >> >> as I said some time ago on list I'll be doing the Design Suite for >> Fedora 13. Having had some pretty cool discussion with Diana, Mel and Mo >> in the hackroo... hospitality suite at FUDCon, Hackroom! Hackroom! (We used the word "hospitality suite" at the front desk because we weren't sure how the hotel would feel about the word "hack," and this became a running joke at FUDCon Toronto.) >> I've created and uploaded a first build. I'd promised to help out a bit with marketing for this, so the first step was to create a page that we can build into this project's home. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite It's not ready for widespread "USE THIS!" PR yet, and won't be for some time - but we still need a place where folks who want to contribute can go and find out what's going on. So that's what this is right now. I redirected the old link so edit history would be preserved, and the link from the old [[Design]] page would still work: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio&redirect=no > Nice... are available anywhere some notes about the design concepts > agreed there? (like select 'best of breed' apps or include as much as > possible, restrict to graphics or also go for audio/video, include or > not data...) Not that I know of, but I started a section for it with some notes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Design_concepts >> It's already based on yesterday's Rawhide, even though it still calls >> itself Generic 12 - which means it might very well break. It worked for >> me in a VM, so you might just want to give it a try. It's currently >> around 900 MB and already using Peter Robinson's modified base package >> set, but we'll see if we can fit it into CD-size for the final release. > > I don't think CD size is a realistic target, my suggestion is to aim for > 2GB USB sticks (maybe 1.5GB worth of application, leaving some space for > live persistence) Yet more documentation stub-places for after these decisions have been made: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Technical_requirements > I don't think I will get the time to play with it this year, can you > provide the list of packages? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Packages ...and of course, as for everything else we work on in Fedora, we need a section for... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#How_to_contribute I'm not entirely sure what the different steps to making a Remix/Spin are (this may be a good thing to write up a tutorial for, and the more we document and think out loud as we do this, the easier writing that tutorial will be) but if we know those steps, it seems to me that the first thing to do would be to fill them in on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Upcoming_milestones so we know how close we are to completion at any given point in time. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] First Design Suite Build
Merging responses for Nicu's last two replies... > I am not an expert in this either but, if I understand correctly, the > most of the job is to create a kickstart file with a good selection of > packages. We do a few experimental builds to see if is not horribly > broken and then try to "sell" it to the build system so it is taken care > of automatically: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ Looking again at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Upcoming_milestones, we should probably set a date by which everything that wants to be considered for inclusion in the kickstart file to be packaged, and then another to freeze the kickstart's package list (after testing those packages). It looks like the Design Studio will bring up some interesting questions while it's being made - things like "what's the line between content and software?" (do brushes count, etc) and how should the various things (whatever they are) we want be delivered via the Design Suite? (packages? webpages? packages of bookmarks to webpages? packages of sampe content?) So it's a good idea to leave plenty of time for those conversations and questions to be resolved. > I think before significant marketing we should clarify the vision and > the target, go beyond the generic "professional designers". I bet even > us, inside the Design Team, have various expectations from a "perfect" spin. Yep. My current working definition for open source marketing is that it's much more than "just" PR - it's "the community-driven process responsible for enabling users to identify, anticipate, and satisfy their own requirements sustainably[0]" so the "identify" part is what I'm thinking about right now, and what I'm here in Design to learn. ;) /me drops back to watch the process of designers designing something for themselves. Yay, meta! --Mel [0] this is a modification of the Chartered Institute of Marketing's definition of marketing, http://www.cim.co.uk/resources/understandingmarket/definitionmkting.aspx, which is "the management process responsible for identifying, anticipating and satisfying customer requirements profitably." ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [F13] Swirly Stars
On 12/26/2009 08:54 AM, Shreyank Gupta wrote: > 2009/12/26 María Leandro: >> Hello >> I like the concept a lot, but the spiral is too "debian" for me. Can we >> change it to some other shape? > Maybe into a constellation shaped as 'f' or infinity. I took Mo's concept and Charlie's concept and mashed them together into the "f" constellation Shreyank suggested, with a milky-way-like swirl for the vertical part of the "f" and the rocket swoop as the horizontal bar. (You could also use a shooting star, it was just faster to copy-paste the rocket. Plus a shooting star would require art skills I don't yet possess.) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Stars-with-rocketship_concept01.png Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Stars-with-rocketship_concept01.svg I also put the image and svg source in the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Artwork#Concepts.2C_WIP_Designs gallery but I think I broke the table in doing so - it runs off the right side of my screen now. (The F12 gallery does the same thing, so I'm not sure how to fix this one.) --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png >> >> It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of >> what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to >> go for is like this Modest Mouse album: >> >> http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg >> >> I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an >> organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. I saw this and immediately thought "whoa, rising rockets with trails would make an awesome graphical boot." I don't know how http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBheUFaRnr8 (the F10 boot animation, "solar") was done or what it would take to get that animated (and whether it'd be worth it) but it would be pretty sweet. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Marketing team seeks Design advice: FAD tools (brand book)
O design team: The Marketing team is having a FAD in mid-March (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010) and as part of this FAD we are making a brand book (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Day_2_.28Sunday.2C_March_14.29). We're trying to figure out what (software) tools (and people who know how to use them) we should have on hand during the FAD, and were wondering if the Design Team had any recommendations (or better yet, any people who might be interested in tag-teaming on the brand book with us. ;) We'll be on IRC the entire time - if it helps, we could schedule an hour of design brainstorming at the beginning, and then later in the NA afternoon after we get content in, come back for another design sprint on how we could best lay it out and such. But we /will/ be on IRC the entire time, and anyone's welcome to pop in and work with us anytime during that day they're free. The list we have so far is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Materials_.2F_Tools - it's basically "Inkscape and Scribus?" at the moment. What else would you suggest? Should we do what we did for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes and put the content on the wiki as we work? Is Gobby better? Should we try for collaborative Inkscape? (What questions should we actually be asking here?) Many thanks, --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Fwd: Request for help with Fedora Personas
Figured this might be the most likely place to find interested people. --Mel Original Message Subject: Request for help with Fedora Personas Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:21:43 -0800 From: John Poelstra Reply-To: advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org To: advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org As part of the Board Strategic Working Group (SWG), I volunteered to track down the status of the work done on "Personas." I summarized my findings on this wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/Target_audience_personas Some initial work has been done and more work remains to be be completed. The SWG needs to make a recommendation to the Board about using and relying on the personas work. No one on the board currently has the time or expertise to lead this effort. Without a volunteer to lead and own the personas effort to its conclusion, the SWG is uncomfortable making them a central part of the Target Audience evaluation work. Is there someone interested and willing to lead and complete the Personas project? If so, please let us know by next Wednesday, February 17, 2010. Thank you, John ___ advisory-board mailing list advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] More about the Allegheny students
Short version: Marketing and Design have help for the remainder of F13, and we're working to scaffold 40 newcomers quickly into helping with specific deliverables (Marketing) and tickets (Design). Longer version: Over the next month, this statement will become more and more true. "During the Spring 2010 semester, 40 first-year students from Allegheny College dove into the Fedora project. Specifically, with the help of the excellent people on the Marketing and Design teams, they engaged in their first experience as open source contributors, learning about blogging, wikis, IRC, and how to create positive change as part of a worldwide community." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism_And_Fedora I'll be writing more details to the lists as we find them - I'm working with the professors and will be on campus for another week working with the class directly. We're trying to be as open and transparent about this process as possible, but there's also the tension of not wanting to completely overwhelm students with what's going on. We are learning how to build this kind of scaffolding - it's going to be frustrating at times from the community side because the first thing we need to figure out in bridging the classroom + the community is how to communicate. It means we may be doing some things opposite of the way we'd usually encourage people to get started in FOSS - experimenting with private emails that later get forwarded to public lists, etc - at least during initial attempts to see if they work out. Basically, we're trying to get them all to work TOSW, but maybe in order to do that quickly we have to start in a less-TOSW manner so we can ramp up to full "yeah, community participation makes sense!"-fu as fast as possible for as many people as possible. We'll do a full report + disclosure of everything after the semester ends (right after F13 releases, actually). I suppose what I'm trying to say is "yes, we're doing strange things; we realize that some of what we're doing is *not* normal, and we're trying our best to be transparent and explain things as we go along, but "the best we can do" may not be "good enough to make sense" for a little longer. Anyway! That disclaimer aside, I'm quite excited - we've got them on small projects like "make a webpage for this new spin" and "develop and teach a microblogging outreach strategy." We'll see more as the week goes by. The students hang out on #allegheny (sometimes - they're still learning IRC, so the channel is still rather empty) if you want to lurk and say hello; that's their sandbox to play in for the class (creating a safe space where the profs can announce things like assignments, lab hours, etc is important), though we'll be pulling them into #fedora-mktg and #fedora-design as much as possible as well. Please please please ping me on IRC (mchua) or email or anywhere if you have any questions, thoughts, ideas, concerns, and especially suggestions on how we can be more transparent about what we're doing - that's a big focus of mine, trying to teach people here how to turn on the firehose. We're going to learn a lot about what Fedora looks like to newcomers as we go along - their end-of-term reflections are supposed to be on that - and that, for me, is the most exciting part about all this. We're learning how to help people help us. That's an update for now, and a big setting-the-stage dump: more thoughts coming as more things happen. Tomorrow morning (Tuesday, 11am-noon EST) is class again, so there may be a flurry of activity around then. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Design team ticket tackling: The Project
We may see questions from newcomers hitting this list shortly, as a team from Allegheny College (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_Team_Assignments#Wild_West_.28design_team_tickets.29) is tackling this project: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_team_ticket_tackling_tools I will be present in person this week to buffer, and will also be handling as many of their questions on IRC as possible - but part of that will be guiding students towards asking good questions in the channel and on the list, and learning how to come up with their own answers - with thinking-out-loud "how we came to this conclusion" rationale clearly stated, as befits the open source way of doing things. ;) Just a heads-up - this is a good excuse to (1) flag easy/urgent tickets for them to start with and (2) for us to learn what the Design Team looks like to new contributors who are trying to figure out how to get started. --Mel --- excerpt below --- So here's the problem: The Design team has a bunch of tickets. They need to be done. They also need to be made more possible to work through - right now the pile is large and daunting, assumes a lot of background knowledge, uses acronyms, may not have a clear workflow... and so forth. Can you, as a newcomer, figure out what the Design Team does and how to help it? If not, this is a bug - and it's a bug that is our fault, and you will be helping us by pointing out how we can fix it. What resources do we need to provide to new Design contributors in order to smoothly get them started? Your mission: close tickets. (Contact Mel Chua if you're not exactly sure what that means.) Remember, the goal is to be "productively lost" - this is all the information we have right now, and you will probably have questions right away - we don't know what questions you need answers to, though, so once you find them we'll be pulling up (or making up!) the information for those answers. You should feel free to make up answers, too. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Allegheny student projects: what are we working on, anyway?
Teams and their projects are listed here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_Team_Assignments You'll notice that I've gone through and constructed a lot of scaffolding (well, a "lot" of scaffolding in terms of what we usually have in Fedora; I'm sure it's very little scaffolding compared to what students are used to getting in class!) on the projects in an attempt to help the students get started. If you think you can improve on that scaffolding in any way, please do so! And if you're interested in a particular project, please contact the team members - their contact info is listed on the wiki, and we'll be helping them join the appropriate IRC channels and lists this week. Projects (which should mostly be obvious from their URL): * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Video_hosting * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks#Twitter * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_press_kit * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_feature_profiles (We've already got our core feature profiles being written - generating more profiles for a general audience will also help us improve our ability to market to our target userbase.) * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_team_ticket_tackling_tools * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Spins_Page * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Spins_Page Folks who are involved with specific projects may be getting pings in the near future; you're of course under no obligation to answer, but if you'd like an extra couple pairs of hands, this is an excellent opportunity. ;) Again, we're hanging out in #allegheny if you'd like to swing by and ask questions, though we're also going to be coming into the main #fedora-mktg and #fedora-design channels as folks have questions. Questions, comments, discussion, etc welcome as usual - thank you again for putting up with this grand experiment! It should be fun. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Allegheny Class 3 (IRC day 1): The Aftermath
Darren + Matt - possibly a bit wordy, but all the info I wanted to convey is in there... feel free to cleanup/rearrange/annotate/send to the class. Cc'ing the Design and Marketing lists so folks can see what's going on. Allegheny students, if you're reading this, anything your professors say or send to the list supersedes anything you read or see on these lists - this is a draft I'm sending out to keep Fedora community members in the loop. --- The third "Allegheny Meets Fedora" class just finished (Fedora people, see http://blog.melchua.com/2010/04/06/fedora-hat-fleisige-helfer/ for more context). Thanks to ke4qqq, rbergeron, sdziallas, and mizmo (David Nalley, Robyn Bergeron, Sebastian Dziallas, and Mo Duffy) for helping us out today! The remainder of this email is written for the class. There's a link to the IRC log from today somewhere in there. A few notes: 0. You all did an *extremely* good job today - we're throwing you into the deep end of something that's moving fast, and you're doing a great job of asking questions and keeping up. Remember our mantra: Productively Lost. Sometimes, the best thing you can do is ask questions and tell us exactly why you're confused - it helps us fix things better for the next people who come around. A good target before our next class on Thursday morning might be to have your team write an introduction email explaining your project, introducing yourselves, describing your current plans, and asking any questions you might currently have to the mailing list of the team you're working with (there is a link to the mailing list subscription page at the bottom of this email). You don't have to do this - it's just a suggestion - but it's what I'll suggest to any team that asks me "we're not sure what to do, what should we do?" between now and Thursday. 1. My email is mchua AT fedoraproject DOT org if you need *anything.* You can always start by emailing me; if we need to move to another list or an IRC channel or something, I'll let you know. 2. I am on campus between Wednesday morning and Friday night, and I would like to spend as much time as possible in those 3 days working with teams on their projects. Just email me and let me know a time and place (I'm unfamiliar with campus, so will need directions) to come out and work with you/your team. Note that I have a flexible schedule all day, and that my usual bedtime is somewhere between 1am-4am. So if I'm awake, I will come out to campus. If I'm asleep, I won't reply until I wake up. ;) 3. Information about the class is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_Team_Assignments, and each of your teams has an information page on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_Team_Assignments with some resources that members of the Fedora community have tried to pull together to help you get started. 4. I've heard that some people would like alternate images burned - for instance, it may help the Sugar on a Stick webpage folks to have one of those sticks to play with, and the Design Suite people may want a Design Suite liveCD... if you'd like one of these things (Darren and Matt included), please email me and let me know and we'll figure out a way to take care of it. We have CDs available for those who want CDs, but you're going to have to bring your own (2GB+) stick to burn (make sure it's got nothing on it that you want to keep - but you can always wipe it and reuse it afterwards). 5. A log of today's chat is available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_2010-04-06_log. 6. Some of you may have been asked to join other mailing lists and channels by the Fedora folks you were talking to today. This is a good idea. The lists you may have been invited to join are likely: * https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team (design) * https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing (marketing) * https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites (websites) And the channels may be: * #allegheny * #fedora-design * #fedora-mktg * #fedora-websites The last two channels require a special sort of registration with IRC; if you need to get into one of those channels and need help figuring out how to register, email me. Thanks again --Mel PS: ADDENDUM! You folks have just made the lives of future contributors easier - after class there was a bit of discussion on IRC about people not being able to get into the #fedora-mktg channel to help out because of registration issues. Bob Jensen saw this, popped in and changed the settings... and you should be able to just join that channel now. Thanks, Bob! (And thanks to the class for pointing this out to us!) ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
