Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2009 03:19 PM, Kris Thomsen wrote: Hi Luya, I don't understand your message, can you please explain to me? :-) If you look at 16x16 utilites-terminal on todo list[1] from Echo, you will notice the similarity. Of coure Echo-perspective it is incomplete at moment. Ref: - - [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic Web Designer E: l...@fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp9H5gACgkQaS6HaNQHFTnB8wCeJV6gqIQ8yRT+uLKVUUlUt3mU of0AmwcFj6N3WNzfO+YCpdgE/BnsUlgB =9wlt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 23:47 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: If you look at 16x16 utilites-terminal on todo list[1] from Echo, you will notice the similarity. Of coure Echo-perspective it is incomplete at moment. We can avoid that by making the utilities-terminal be more terminal-like by making the screen colour black, which is the usual terminal color and color used for utilities-terminal in upstream icon themes. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
2009/8/8 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 23:47 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: If you look at 16x16 utilites-terminal on todo list[1] from Echo, you will notice the similarity. Of coure Echo-perspective it is incomplete at moment. We can avoid that by making the utilities-terminal be more terminal-like by making the screen colour black, which is the usual terminal color and color used for utilities-terminal in upstream icon themes. Exactly. I actually don't like the blue terminal - I think it will look better in Black anyway (more stylish). Is there exact guidelines defined to Echo Perspective or should the problems be worked out as they come? F.ex. when do we use the typical-Echo white outline? (I like this outline :-) ) Martin ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:52 +0200, Kris Thomsen wrote: Hi ;) Thanks Nicu, glad to be here :) Martin, I have moved the icons like you said, I have worked a bit on the shadow on 22x22 and changed the 32x32 frame - it's better now :D Just refresh the images from before. I will now take a look at some more detailed icons in the big sizes. So, I've checked the SVG right now [1] and the 256x256 is still a little too high (perhaps I've sent you a wrong offset). Move it another 5px lower. Other than that the icon now seems to be fully prepared (even technically) for push to git. I suggest you now apply for the 'gitecho-icon-theme' in FAS [2] and after I'll approve you, I'll tell you the steps how to upload the icon. Oh and a tiny detail -- make the shadow in 22x22 wider so that it spans under whole icon. Martin References: [1] http://code-geek.baah.dk/Echo/user-desktop-kt.svg [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
2009/8/8 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:52 +0200, Kris Thomsen wrote: Hi ;) Thanks Nicu, glad to be here :) Martin, I have moved the icons like you said, I have worked a bit on the shadow on 22x22 and changed the 32x32 frame - it's better now :D Just refresh the images from before. I will now take a look at some more detailed icons in the big sizes. So, I've checked the SVG right now [1] and the 256x256 is still a little too high (perhaps I've sent you a wrong offset). Move it another 5px lower. Other than that the icon now seems to be fully prepared (even technically) for push to git. I suggest you now apply for the 'gitecho-icon-theme' in FAS [2] and after I'll approve you, I'll tell you the steps how to upload the icon. Oh and a tiny detail -- make the shadow in 22x22 wider so that it spans under whole icon. I have moved it down 5 px again (where should it be? Just to know it another time :D ). I can't make the shadow on 22x22 wider - it will look cutted of, because I have made the icon align with the canvas-border - try for yourself, you will see what I mean. I have applyed for the FAS-group :-) // Kris Martin References: [1] http://code-geek.baah.dk/Echo/user-desktop-kt.svg [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Kris Thomsen lakris...@gmail.com wrote: I have applyed for the FAS-group :-) You are now approved git-echo-icon-theme member. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
2009/8/8 Luya Tshimbalanga tshim...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Kris Thomsen lakris...@gmail.com wrote: I have applyed for the FAS-group :-) You are now approved git-echo-icon-theme member. I'm honoured ;) Thanks. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
Hi ;) Thanks Nicu, glad to be here :) Martin, I have moved the icons like you said, I have worked a bit on the shadow on 22x22 and changed the 32x32 frame - it's better now :D Just refresh the images from before. I will now take a look at some more detailed icons in the big sizes. // Kris 2009/8/7 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 23:33 +0200, Kris Thomsen wrote: Hi Design-team, Echo Perspective artists! Hi again. My name is Kris Thomsen, I'm 18 years old and from a little country in Northern Europe called Denmark. I have used Linux since 2005 and this year I started to contribute to Fedora - as it is my favorite. I'm the Danish translation maintainer, but now I am almost finished all the translations for Fedora 12 and want another little side-project to contribute to. I have chosed Echo Perspective, as I really liked the first icons Martin S. made. I am new in this area (art, icons and Inkscape) and have worked on the user-desktop icon today and I am now confident enough to show it to you ;-) http://code-geek.baah.dk/Echo/user-desktop-kt.png http://code-geek.baah.dk/Echo/user-desktop-kt.svg Please come with comments on this icon - I hope you like it. And welcome to the Echo Project :) You've addressed already all the comments I gave you on IRC and the icon is very good. I think it would be also better if you made the frame in 32x32 also 1px (instead of the current 2px) wide, I think it will look better. Now what I hadn't noticed in the png -- move the 256x256 16px lower, the 48x48 icon 3px lower, the 32x32 2px lower, the 22x22 1px lower and make the shadow in 22x22 more visible by expanding it and making it more blurry. That's in order to be better aligned horizontally with and look more consistent with folder icons. If you'd like you can also work further on the two icons that are present on the desktop so they would look more like real icons, although this would be probably only for 256x256 and 48x48 -- in smaller sizes there isn't much place for adding more details ;-) Now for Luya, Nicu and others who might want to comment on the icon. I've suggested (along with other icons, but he chose this one) this icon to Kris when he asked if he could help with Echo Perspective and suggested that he use similar metaphor that is in GNOME-Colors [1] as opposed to current Echo metaphor (not that is very different). I believe it works better, and even though it is a little similar to video-display, due to the different contexts in which these two icons are used (device vs. directory/place) I believe they cannot be confused by users. Martin References: [1] http://code.google.com/p/gnome-colors/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
Nicu, That was actually my plan :D But I don't think I like to give et rectangles other colors - I think it's just visually annoying. Actually my plan was to make grey/blue-scale versions of the icons you mentioned in 256x256 icon. What do you guys think? // Kris 2009/8/7 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro On 08/07/2009 02:52 PM, Kris Thomsen wrote: Martin, I have moved the icons like you said, I have worked a bit on the shadow on 22x22 and changed the 32x32 frame - it's better now :D Just refresh the images from before. I will now take a look at some more detailed icons in the big sizes. Maybe make one look at a desktop (the computer icon) and another like a folder, both of them simplified, of course and available only for 256x256. For smaller versions you can try just to change the color of the existing rectangles. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
Thanks, Nicu :) // Kris 2009/8/7 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro On 08/07/2009 03:10 PM, Kris Thomsen wrote: That was actually my plan :D But I don't think I like to give et rectangles other colors - I think it's just visually annoying. Actually my plan was to make grey/blue-scale versions of the icons you mentioned in 256x256 icon. What do you guys think? Draw what you think is best and people will give their opinions. With the canvas in front of your eyes, I believe you will see what make sense and what not. You don't have to wait for input at every step, your base icon was good so we trust your choices. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
Martin, I really don't like text in icons :) It looks weird and ugly (I have tried). It looks okay without the bars. Try to refresh now. // Kris 2009/8/7 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 08/07/2009 05:15 PM, Kris Thomsen wrote: Now I have changed the icons :) There is the computer and the folder icon in full-color on 256x256 icon - and metallic-shaded simplified versions of those icons in 48x48 icon. Simply refresh the earlier images. I like it and 48x48 works too. But I think you can drop the metallic bars (icon captions) on 256x256. +1, or alternatively you might try to render there some text, but the goal for it would not be to be readable, just that it would resemble text -- let inkscape render 'Computer' and 'Echo' text approximately in the size (meaning of course to have the same height not width) of the frames and tune the output to look satisfying to you. Martin ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2009 08:33 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:23 +0200, Kris Thomsen wrote: Martin, I really don't like text in icons :) It looks weird and ugly (I have tried). It looks okay without the bars. Try to refresh now. Yup, this looks good. Luya or Nicu, do you have any further comments? No comments although it looks like terminal icon should both small folder and devices not present. - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic Web Designer E: l...@fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEUEARECAAYFAkp8XlAACgkQaS6HaNQHFTmGrwCeJo3CbwW1Ar6nmouY1rSzZLYy pM4AlAtk+ezXzDEDfuqg2sN42+WACv4= =d6VU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
Hi Luya, I don't understand your message, can you please explain to me? :-) // Kris 2009/8/7 Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2009 08:33 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:23 +0200, Kris Thomsen wrote: Martin, I really don't like text in icons :) It looks weird and ugly (I have tried). It looks okay without the bars. Try to refresh now. Yup, this looks good. Luya or Nicu, do you have any further comments? No comments although it looks like terminal icon should both small folder and devices not present. - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic Web Designer E: l...@fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEUEARECAAYFAkp8XlAACgkQaS6HaNQHFTmGrwCeJo3CbwW1Ar6nmouY1rSzZLYy pM4AlAtk+ezXzDEDfuqg2sN42+WACv4= =d6VU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
On 08/07/2009 06:48 PM, Kris Thomsen wrote: Another thing, is there a central place to put the icons we made, or is it just on personal servers and local computers? :-) I've seen a lot of the design team uploading files to their fedorapeople space. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org has details. Of course, there may be a better / more canonical location that I don't yet know about... --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] [Echo Perspective] Presentation and user-desktop
Good, then we are in about the same timezone :) I will not be online until at least 18:00 GMT +0200 - if we can catch up on IRC #fedora-design tomorrow evening, maybe? // Kris 2009/8/8 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 00:48 +0200, Kris Thomsen wrote: Another thing, is there a central place to put the icons we made, or is it just on personal servers and local computers? :-) Yup, there is, I'll talk to you about the details later, probably tomorrow as the SVG will still need some simple edits (see [1]) so that PNGs can be automagically rendered from it without fail and it's past 1AM here already ;-) We have a git repo at fedora hosted, but you need to be member of gitecho-icon-theme group in FAS, IIRC, to be able to upload it there. I'll approve you there when the icon is ready for upload (which is very close now). // Kris Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/DRAFTS/Guidelines/OneCanvasWorkflow ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
