Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
Le Mar 2 juin 2009 16:59, brian hurren a écrit : We could do a lighthouse. Lightouse is nice but would wait for F13 if F12 is named Alexander. Alexander is a famous name associated to Alexandria Pharos is a famous name associated to Alexandria (or something like this) -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
Quetzalcoatl You might have some cultural problems if you use this literally (like you could do if you used anything Maori) though it has a really cool style. (I love those block style eagles that look good as a tattoo.) --- On Thu, 4/6/09, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability To: design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org Received: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 12:42 AM On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:29:22AM +0200, Joost Elfering wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: On 06/02/2009 08:06 PM, Joost Elfering wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Quetzalcoatl -1: hard to pronounce, remember and write about. But we were asked here only about themeability, the large community will hold a vote and determine which one is a good name. I also have no idea how to pronounce Quetzalcoatl, but I think it may give an opportunity for some cool graphics. true, but i can still give my opinion about it ;-). I have been in some naming processes before and I think this does not meet the requirements for a good name. should we invest time in names that should never make the final selection. The amount of time required here is very low, so I would say it's well spent. :-) Remember that we're just discussing themeability, not actually asking people to design things yet. Once the community decides on a name, we'll be able to proceed with the step that actually takes considerable time. ;-) As for pronunciation, I think that Bordeaux and arguably Tettnang fall into the same category as Quetzalcoatl. (I remember first encountering this name as a young boy and I thought it was really cool then, so I'm happy to see it on this list.) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:54:08AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 06/02/2009 08:06 PM, Joost Elfering wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Quetzalcoatl -1: hard to pronounce, remember and write about. But we were asked here only about themeability, the large community will hold a vote and determine which one is a good name. I also have no idea how to pronounce Quetzalcoatl, but I think it may give an opportunity for some cool graphics. Thanks, everybody, for your input. I've passed the resulting list, trimmed to eliminate the few names that were obvious problems, to Legal for review: Quetzalcoatl Constantine Hubble Umbria Rugosa Orville Chilon Wallace Cimrman Alexander Stradivari -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] F12 names and themeability
Hi Design Team. As you're probably aware we are working early on the F12 naming process, to provide the Fedora Design team plenty of time for theming the next release, as requested. The community submitted names to the wiki page, and then the Board did a vote on the community names that passed the initial review process. The top names will be sent to Legal for final approval and then turned into a ballot on which the whole community will vote. Therefore, the top name on the Board's list may not end up winning the final vote. I'm only going to list the top 16 or so names here to make things easier for this team -- the idea is that I will send about 12 names to Legal, and hope for at least 8 back that pass legal review. I would ask that people remember that themes can be very broad and simply inspired by a name. For example, Heisenberg is the name of a scientist who postulated the Uncertainty Principle (that measuring certain subatomic events actually changed the nature of those events). So that name lends itself to things like atoms/molecules, or other interconnectedness that could represent community, and building structure from small things. Before I send the list on to Legal, I would like the Design team to look at these names and give me some indication of their themeability. I think the easiest way to accomplish this is for anyone participating in the Design team to indicate whether they think a name *can* be themed, either with +1 and/or an idea for how to do it. If there are any names for which no one indicates themeability, I will consider leaving those off the list for final review by Legal. Josh Boyer, the Board, and I are performing this process early -- before Fedora 11 is even released! -- because the Design Team has asked for that repeatedly. Therefore the sooner you can get me your input, the sooner I can send these on to Legal, and set up a community voting process for the actual F12 name. I would really like it if I can get people's input in the next 24-48 hours! The list: Quetzalcoatl Constantine Hubble Skywalker Umbria Hippokoon Heisenberg Goliath Rugosa Adamastor Orville Chilon Wallace Elvis Cimrman Alexander Stradivari -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:11:17PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: Skywalker This name should not have made the final list -- please ignore it, sorry for the confusion. I find your lack of faith disturbing. Too much time on your hands have you. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
Umbria. Could be shadows? speaking of which I am going to see a solar eclipse in july...anyone else going to see it? --- On Wed, 3/6/09, Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com wrote: From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com Subject: Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability To: Fedora Design Team design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org Received: Wednesday, 3 June, 2009, 2:35 AM - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro After a quick read of the list, I don't see anything as unthemeable as sulphur, so any of the choices are acceptable IMO. Yes that one was a real stinker... HAWHAWHAW :) I will take them one by one and emit some quick ideas: Quetzalcoatl It may be inspired by an asteroid, but I would be tempted to challenge the cultural taboos and use some pre-Columbian imagery (dragon serpents, pyramids) +1 I think the pre-Columbian imagery is a great idea. Constantine Byzantine... 'nuff said :D Hubble Stars, galaxies, we can just stole the wallpaper from the Astronomy spin +1 Umbria I am pretty sure our Italian friends can come with a lot of ideas about this (I don't think we will feature Star Trek ships). +1 Hippokoon I am no big fan of this, going with (less known[1]) Spartan kings will be pretty much repeating some motifs tried for F11, but is doable. [1] even all wikipedia has to say about it is a stub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocoon -1 I would definitely like to move on from the Spartan idea... Heisenberg Paul gave already an idea here +1 Goliath Power, might, crushing everything around. But is it a good idea? Ultimately Goliath was a loser, defeated by David. +1 I think we could twist this around though, e.g. we could theme the artwork on defeating the target of Goliath, posing Fedora as the David... Rugosa +1 I LOVE this one. There are so many beautiful natural patterns we could use - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haeckel_Tetracoralla.jpg I think it may be interesting to have a floral theme, with roses and stuff. We can claim the girls temporarily overpowered the geeks at Fedora. Adamastor I have the same concern as for Hippokoon -1 me too, please let's move on from Spartans! Orville It may be interesting to have a graphic theme about music and shout Fedora 12 rocks! +1 http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/Guitar%20Pick/fedoraguitarpicks.png :) Chilon Good thing we can shift from Ancient Greek heroes to Swiss castles, I would try touse this in a theme. +1 Wallace We can try something dark, Sin City style or some Scottish references. +1 Elvis To go with music would be to obvious, we can try something like is not dead! +1 We could do something spooky maybe, Elvis' ghost... Cimrman The Czech character is, IMHO, a bit obscure for an international audience so we may have to go here with the astronomy thing. +1 Alexander I would liked more to have in the suggestion list some references for secondary meanings, we know is a common name, was a Greek king... something else to try than the same old Greek theme. +1 I think there's a lot of possibilities here tho. Alexander Graham Bell, Alexander Method, or maybe the movie Moondance Alexander which is about ponies which leads to a OMG! ponie...@!#!@$...@$ theme! Stradivari Music, classic, fine art. +1 Those are some ideas I got on the spot, with some thinking I am sure we can find some more, so any choice is doable (but I would not be happy with repeating an Ancient Greece theme). Same here, no repeats! ~m ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:35:45AM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro Goliath Power, might, crushing everything around. But is it a good idea? Ultimately Goliath was a loser, defeated by David. +1 I think we could twist this around though, e.g. we could theme the artwork on defeating the target of Goliath, posing Fedora as the David... Oh, that's a very intersting take on this -- like each release slaying the former one? F12 F11, and so on. Rugosa +1 I LOVE this one. There are so many beautiful natural patterns we could use - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haeckel_Tetracoralla.jpg Whoa, that's really cool! Adamastor I have the same concern as for Hippokoon -1 me too, please let's move on from Spartans! I'm detecting an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with the Greek king names. ;-) I think we can settle on removing these from the list we send to Legal. Orville It may be interesting to have a graphic theme about music and shout Fedora 12 rocks! +1 http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/Guitar%20Pick/fedoraguitarpicks.png :) Fedora is where the real rock stars live, IMHO. :-) Alexander I would liked more to have in the suggestion list some references for secondary meanings, we know is a common name, was a Greek king... something else to try than the same old Greek theme. +1 I think there's a lot of possibilities here tho. Alexander Graham Bell, Alexander Method, or maybe the movie Moondance Alexander which is about ponies which leads to a OMG! ponie...@!#!@$...@$ theme! Lulz. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:22:04AM +1930, María Leandro wrote: Quetzalcoatl +1 , latam culture has a really interesting shapes that we can use: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2079/2214700802_f5d1b787d9_o.jpg == can we do something like this??? Fedora followers? Hey, that's from the movie Apocalypto I'm pretty sure. I'm not so sure about the followers idea, simply because it seems more about a single powerful leader (dictator?) and less about community. But I *LOVE* the ziggurats! Rugosa +1 Maybe we could make a under sea theme, using images of ancient and future species of animals and the fedora bubble as the sun, or use the bubble and logo like ancient sculptures: http://blog.makezine.com/MAKE_689.jpg http://www.supertouchart.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/uwpicture-12.jpg Oh my gosh, those are awesome! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:11:17PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: Skywalker This name should not have made the final list -- please ignore it, sorry for the confusion. I find your lack of faith disturbing. Too much time on your hands have you. I've got a bad feeling about this. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] F12 names and themeability
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Design Team. As you're probably aware we are working early on the F12 naming process, to provide the Fedora Design team plenty of time for theming the next release, as requested. The community submitted names to the wiki page, and then the Board did a vote on the community names that passed the initial review process. The top names will be sent to Legal for final approval and then turned into a ballot on which the whole community will vote. Therefore, the top name on the Board's list may not end up winning the final vote. I'm only going to list the top 16 or so names here to make things easier for this team -- the idea is that I will send about 12 names to Legal, and hope for at least 8 back that pass legal review. I would ask that people remember that themes can be very broad and simply inspired by a name. For example, Heisenberg is the name of a scientist who postulated the Uncertainty Principle (that measuring certain subatomic events actually changed the nature of those events). So that name lends itself to things like atoms/molecules, or other interconnectedness that could represent community, and building structure from small things. Before I send the list on to Legal, I would like the Design team to look at these names and give me some indication of their themeability. I think the easiest way to accomplish this is for anyone participating in the Design team to indicate whether they think a name *can* be themed, either with +1 and/or an idea for how to do it. If there are any names for which no one indicates themeability, I will consider leaving those off the list for final review by Legal. Josh Boyer, the Board, and I are performing this process early -- before Fedora 11 is even released! -- because the Design Team has asked for that repeatedly. Therefore the sooner you can get me your input, the sooner I can send these on to Legal, and set up a community voting process for the actual F12 name. I would really like it if I can get people's input in the next 24-48 hours! The list: Quetzalcoatl -1: hard to pronounce, remember and write about. Constantine +1: good for combining worlds and bridging the gaps Hubble +1: could be an interesting concept but what association do we have with Fedora? Hippokoon -1: to much the same as Leonidas but still a weaker representation of the same thing. Chilon has the same problem Heisenberg -1: too close to the FC3 release name Heidelberg Goliath -1: not a winning character. David would be more appropriate and more of a theme like Leonidas! Adamastor +1: has good association but a bit obscure... Wallace +1: wallace has the same theme as leonidas, fighting against a bigger enemy by combining a scattered group. the basic idea of open source... Elvis -1 music names could be good but the king is dead and not in a good way. we could get wrong association. Cimrman -1: too obscure! Alexander +1: a lot of options we can exploit Stradivari +1: music association to perfection and high quality. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
