Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
On 01/20/2010 11:49 AM, Juan Francisco Fernández wrote: I like this idea. I would try something abstract, as the Debian 5.0 default wallpaper (http://www.debianart.org/cchost/people/si0ux/si0ux_-_MoreBlue_Orbit_5.png), That is nice, clean and simple. with ascending white trails as the horizontal white lines in Debian wallpaper, and some sort of rockets made as a prolongation of these lines (as the white spirals on Debian one), not real rockets. Fine, but please do not include any logo in the image, we keep the logo away for reusability, branding and trademark reasons. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
I think I was not clear in my previous message, I don't have the skills to do it, I was only giving some hints to desing team. English is not my native language, as you can see hehehe. 2010/1/20 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro On 01/20/2010 11:49 AM, Juan Francisco Fernández wrote: I like this idea. I would try something abstract, as the Debian 5.0 default wallpaper ( http://www.debianart.org/cchost/people/si0ux/si0ux_-_MoreBlue_Orbit_5.png ), That is nice, clean and simple. with ascending white trails as the horizontal white lines in Debian wallpaper, and some sort of rockets made as a prolongation of these lines (as the white spirals on Debian one), not real rockets. Fine, but please do not include any logo in the image, we keep the logo away for reusability, branding and trademark reasons. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Hello Juan. Is a concept, but what the art team wants to say is that, even is a good base, we are trying to make simple become gorgeous. And I think that see another distro wallpaper might only be a reference of what we shouldn't do, because we don't want to be similar to others. The concept is clean and I'm sure the team will take the suggestions :) Hola Juan. Es un concepto, pero lo que el equipo de arte quiere decir es que, aunque es una buena base, estamos tratando de hacer que lo simple se convierta en algo hermoso. Creo que ver los wallpapers de otras distros solo debe ser una referencia de lo que no debemos hacer, porque no queremos ser similares a otros. El concepto es limpio y estoy segura de que el equipo de arte lo tomará en consideración como una sugerencia :) El 20 de enero de 2010 07:51, Juan Francisco Fernández jua...@gmail.comescribió: Is there any problem with posting my suggestions to design team in this list? I'm sorry in that case. Bye. 2010/1/20 Cata catalinf...@gmail.com Joke for you : Why fedora has a design so simple compared to other distributions? Because it has special design team . English is not my native language, as you can see hehehe. So, what is don't chattering ? ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
No Juan . Sorry , I don't want to be rude . I like to working :) not speak. This is a ideea . 2010/1/20 María Leandro tat...@fedoraproject.org: Hello Juan. Is a concept, but what the art team wants to say is that, even is a good base, we are trying to make simple become gorgeous. And I think that see another distro wallpaper might only be a reference of what we shouldn't do, because we don't want to be similar to others. The concept is clean and I'm sure the team will take the suggestions :) Hola Juan. Es un concepto, pero lo que el equipo de arte quiere decir es que, aunque es una buena base, estamos tratando de hacer que lo simple se convierta en algo hermoso. Creo que ver los wallpapers de otras distros solo debe ser una referencia de lo que no debemos hacer, porque no queremos ser similares a otros. El concepto es limpio y estoy segura de que el equipo de arte lo tomará en consideración como una sugerencia :) El 20 de enero de 2010 07:51, Juan Francisco Fernández jua...@gmail.com escribió: Is there any problem with posting my suggestions to design team in this list? I'm sorry in that case. Bye. 2010/1/20 Cata catalinf...@gmail.com Joke for you : Why fedora has a design so simple compared to other distributions? Because it has special design team . English is not my native language, as you can see hehehe. So, what is don't chattering ? ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- My sites: http://catalin-festila.blogspot.com -about me http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Hello María, I put Debian wallpaper only to illustrate my idea of abstract concept applied to Máirín Duffy rocket simple sketch. I never have posted to the list, but I read it sometimes to follow the work of the art (well, design ;)) team, and I have read mentions on others Fedora wallpapers (as the great Infinity), so I didn't think that uses another distro wallpaper would be a problem. I don't want to use a copied wallpaper from Debian, but I like abstract wallpapers and don't know how to explain my idea better than with an example. Thanks! PS: Thanks, sometimes is not easy to understand and get understood in english! PD: Muchas gracias por la explicación, a veces no es fácil entender y ser entendido con el inglés! El 20 de enero de 2010 13:41, María Leandro tat...@fedoraproject.orgescribió: Hello Juan. Is a concept, but what the art team wants to say is that, even is a good base, we are trying to make simple become gorgeous. And I think that see another distro wallpaper might only be a reference of what we shouldn't do, because we don't want to be similar to others. The concept is clean and I'm sure the team will take the suggestions :) Hola Juan. Es un concepto, pero lo que el equipo de arte quiere decir es que, aunque es una buena base, estamos tratando de hacer que lo simple se convierta en algo hermoso. Creo que ver los wallpapers de otras distros solo debe ser una referencia de lo que no debemos hacer, porque no queremos ser similares a otros. El concepto es limpio y estoy segura de que el equipo de arte lo tomará en consideración como una sugerencia :) El 20 de enero de 2010 07:51, Juan Francisco Fernández jua...@gmail.comescribió: Is there any problem with posting my suggestions to design team in this list? I'm sorry in that case. Bye. 2010/1/20 Cata catalinf...@gmail.com Joke for you : Why fedora has a design so simple compared to other distributions? Because it has special design team . English is not my native language, as you can see hehehe. So, what is don't chattering ? ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Cata, I also like to working, not speak. But I'm a software developer, not an artist, and here I only can help with suggestions based on my experience. If this is not enough, then I couldn't help in any way to design team. I don't want to disturb this post, so please, forget my participation in it and keep your talking as before. 2010/1/20 Cata catalinf...@gmail.com No Juan . Sorry , I don't want to be rude . I like to working :) not speak. This is a ideea . 2010/1/20 María Leandro tat...@fedoraproject.org: Hello Juan. Is a concept, but what the art team wants to say is that, even is a good base, we are trying to make simple become gorgeous. And I think that see another distro wallpaper might only be a reference of what we shouldn't do, because we don't want to be similar to others. The concept is clean and I'm sure the team will take the suggestions :) Hola Juan. Es un concepto, pero lo que el equipo de arte quiere decir es que, aunque es una buena base, estamos tratando de hacer que lo simple se convierta en algo hermoso. Creo que ver los wallpapers de otras distros solo debe ser una referencia de lo que no debemos hacer, porque no queremos ser similares a otros. El concepto es limpio y estoy segura de que el equipo de arte lo tomará en consideración como una sugerencia :) El 20 de enero de 2010 07:51, Juan Francisco Fernández jua...@gmail.com escribió: Is there any problem with posting my suggestions to design team in this list? I'm sorry in that case. Bye. 2010/1/20 Cata catalinf...@gmail.com Joke for you : Why fedora has a design so simple compared to other distributions? Because it has special design team . English is not my native language, as you can see hehehe. So, what is don't chattering ? ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- My sites: http://catalin-festila.blogspot.com -about me http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Hi Juan, On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 14:43 +0100, Juan Francisco Fernández wrote: Cata, I also like to working, not speak. But I'm a software developer, not an artist, and here I only can help with suggestions based on my experience. If this is not enough, then I couldn't help in any way to design team. Thank you for posting the wallpaper you found as inspiration for us. It made me think about a potential treatment for the rocket trails idea that I might not have thought of otherwise! ~m ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 08:51:53AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Juan, On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 14:43 +0100, Juan Francisco Fernández wrote: Cata, I also like to working, not speak. But I'm a software developer, not an artist, and here I only can help with suggestions based on my experience. If this is not enough, then I couldn't help in any way to design team. Thank you for posting the wallpaper you found as inspiration for us. It made me think about a potential treatment for the rocket trails idea that I might not have thought of otherwise! Yes, much appreciated Juan, and thank you for participating. Getting more ideas during this stage is helpful. Soon the team will likely be concentrating more on rendering them, but as you can see you've already sparked inspiration for someone, and that's what the idea gathering stage is partially for. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Nicu, I love that air show pictures! Could be a great idea for wallpaper :) // Kris 2010/1/15 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro: On 01/14/2010 06:37 PM, Mel Chua wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. I saw this and immediately thought whoa, rising rockets with trails would make an awesome graphical boot. It made me think about an airshow, when you see airplanes flying with trails of various colors, drawing stuff on the sky, you know, thing like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yeovilton_Air_Day_airshow.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Red_Arrows_Sunderland_Airshow_2009_%281%29.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Red_Arrows_Pass_By,_Radom_Airshow_2005.jpg To be honest, it made me think more at anime I saw recently where they had such colored trails drawn by some ships (or they were mechas? I guess so) preparing for some intergalactic fight (that being the link with space :D ) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 09:32 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 01/14/2010 06:37 PM, Mel Chua wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. I saw this and immediately thought whoa, rising rockets with trails would make an awesome graphical boot. It made me think about an airshow, when you see airplanes flying with trails of various colors, drawing stuff on the sky, you know, thing like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yeovilton_Air_Day_airshow.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Red_Arrows_Sunderland_Airshow_2009_%281%29.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Red_Arrows_Pass_By,_Radom_Airshow_2005.jpg Oh exactly I think there's a lot of possibility for some cool visual treatments using the trails like that :) To be honest, it made me think more at anime I saw recently where they had such colored trails drawn by some ships (or they were mechas? I guess so) preparing for some intergalactic fight (that being the link with space :D ) Hehe, you don't happen to remember the name of the anime do you? ~m ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
On 01/15/2010 04:27 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 09:32 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: To be honest, it made me think more at anime I saw recently where they had such colored trails drawn by some ships (or they were mechas? I guess so) preparing for some intergalactic fight (that being the link with space :D ) Hehe, you don't happen to remember the name of the anime do you? It seems my memory was a bit wrong, I think what I was remembering was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_of_a_Distant_Star where the trails are the same color, never the less the images are beautiful looking, here are a few screencaps: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/voads/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Hi, I had this idea in my head all week; I did a very simple sketch and posted it to the f13 artwork wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to go for is like this Modest Mouse album: http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. Maybe a kooky idea, just something that's been in my head this week. ~m ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
I love where that idea is going. I think you could make the rocket trails do something like a DNA strand or something like that would be cool. I also like the kind of one sidedness of the background. --pcon 2010/1/14 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: Hi, I had this idea in my head all week; I did a very simple sketch and posted it to the f13 artwork wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to go for is like this Modest Mouse album: http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. Maybe a kooky idea, just something that's been in my head this week. ~m ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to go for is like this Modest Mouse album: http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. I saw this and immediately thought whoa, rising rockets with trails would make an awesome graphical boot. I don't know how http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBheUFaRnr8 (the F10 boot animation, solar) was done or what it would take to get that animated (and whether it'd be worth it) but it would be pretty sweet. --Mel ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:26:54AM -0500, Patrick Connelly wrote: 2010/1/14 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: Hi, I had this idea in my head all week; I did a very simple sketch and posted it to the f13 artwork wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to go for is like this Modest Mouse album: http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. Maybe a kooky idea, just something that's been in my head this week. I love where that idea is going. I think you could make the rocket trails do something like a DNA strand or something like that would be cool. I also like the kind of one sidedness of the background. As do I. The desktop background works best which does not demand a lot of attention. I'd much rather see something on the Fedora desktop *inspired* by the release name than being a direct, verbal interpretation. That inspiration aspect can keep the background more figurative, subtle, and less likely to clash with graphical objects like icons and windows. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/10 10:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:26:54AM -0500, Patrick Connelly wrote: 2010/1/14 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: Hi, I had this idea in my head all week; I did a very simple sketch and posted it to the f13 artwork wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to go for is like this Modest Mouse album: http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg I think it would be cool for the trails of the rockets to have an organic shape to them like they're flower stems or something. Maybe a kooky idea, just something that's been in my head this week. I love where that idea is going. I think you could make the rocket trails do something like a DNA strand or something like that would be cool. I also like the kind of one sidedness of the background. As do I. The desktop background works best which does not demand a lot of attention. I'd much rather see something on the Fedora desktop *inspired* by the release name than being a direct, verbal interpretation. That inspiration aspect can keep the background more figurative, subtle, and less likely to clash with graphical objects like icons and windows. That is what concepts are for. We put all ideas we have then we will work on their best aspects. So far, common elements on most concepts are rockets, space and light traills. - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic Web Designer E: l...@fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAktPZQAACgkQaS6HaNQHFTkvbACfbuYZquryRVNz1mw6vaiDMZVV 0WcAn3RCuV9RDXlVrwhvP80OweRRKsK4 =X1jv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/10 07:06 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi, I had this idea in my head all week; I did a very simple sketch and posted it to the f13 artwork wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png It's a really rough sketch. The concept is really along the lines of what all of our sketches have, I think. But the visual style I'd want to go for is like this Modest Mouse album: http://www.kolnstyle.com/lbmcvrz/Modest%20Mouse-GNFPQLBN.jpg Speaking about Mouses, that reminds a old Dreamcast videogame I own called Chu Chu Rocket. http://xboxmodz.com/DC/A_D/images/19f.jpg Current stage is all about gather concept and ideas. - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic Web Designer E: l...@fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAktPZ0AACgkQaS6HaNQHFTkT8QCZAePFl2p0l23Tz6FWa11fGvB2 GLsAnR9jxXYJEdWWtv+D5dApjqUUTCK2 =mgfI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Are there any notes on how to hack Plymouth animations, it would be interesting to try to put something together. Ideally I suppose there could be a common bit of software that could be part of a screensaver or part of a boot animation / animated login splash screen. For rocket imagery I really like some of the shots from Gattaca, where the rocket flight was an image associated with the aspirations of the protagonist. The rockets were computer generated and usually appeared behind some stark geometric architecture or simple coloured backgrounds. -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
On 01/15/2010 12:09 AM, Camilo Mesias wrote: Are there any notes on how to hack Plymouth animations, it would be interesting to try to put something together. Charlie, our expert in the field, wrote some articles about this: http://brej.org/blog/?cat=16 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
