Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-20 Thread Paul Frields
I love Emily's new version as well. One of the problems it solves for
me is the overall brightness and high energy of the revision that's on
my desktop now. The crystal shards, graphite shafts, or whatever you
prefer to call them are cool but the high contrast and density of the
image there makes it harder to concentrate on or locate my desktop
icons in that space. Emily's new iteration fixes that completely!

Paul

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org wrote:
 Emily, I love your new version!
 But I also still like that last one from Mo

 Fab


 On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Victor Hugo Borges
 victorbor...@gmail.com wrote:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev2.png
 those are my favorites until now, it makes it shinny and tells me that the
 system is very clean and ready for me. like saying: IM DONE! or getting
 done.

 2010/9/17 Emily Dirsh em...@fightingcrane.com

 Well, obviously some of us (including me ;)) like having something in
 the middle. Personally, I think it is a bit jarring, and visually
 unsatisfying to leave it completely empty.

 But then again, some of us don't like having something there. So,
 keeping that in mind, I managed to work up yet another revision - not to
 take away from mo's really nice version, but just to see where this one
 takes me ;) - and I tried this time to find a bit of a compromise...
 There's something in the middle, but it's not anything definite, and
 it's much more subtle than the big starburst/supernova effect I had
 before. See what you all think!


 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-rev2-dark-nosupernova.png
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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-18 Thread Fabian A. Scherschel
Emily, I love your new version!
But I also still like that last one from Mo


Fab


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Victor Hugo Borges victorbor...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev2.png

 those are my favorites until now, it makes it shinny and tells me that the
 system is very clean and ready for me. like saying: IM DONE! or getting
 done.


 2010/9/17 Emily Dirsh em...@fightingcrane.com

 Well, obviously some of us (including me ;)) like having something in
 the middle. Personally, I think it is a bit jarring, and visually
 unsatisfying to leave it completely empty.

 But then again, some of us don't like having something there. So,
 keeping that in mind, I managed to work up yet another revision - not to
 take away from mo's really nice version, but just to see where this one
 takes me ;) - and I tried this time to find a bit of a compromise...
 There's something in the middle, but it's not anything definite, and
 it's much more subtle than the big starburst/supernova effect I had
 before. See what you all think!


 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-rev2-dark-nosupernova.png

 On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 10:47 +0200, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
  I tried to put something in that space in my initial revision. If we
  keep the void, I think the emanating rays need to fade into it more
  gradually. The way it is now, it kinda draws your eye to the hole and
  then there's nothing there...
 
 
  Fab


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-17 Thread Marc Stewart
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 08:27 +0200, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
 Wow Really great work going on here. I really love Mo's new
 version and I think it's nearly perfect but I still think we need
 something in the middle of all those emanating rays and sparks. A hole
 there looks out of place, IMO.
I like the void. I think it fits better with the emergence concept, too.
Emergent properties appear in unexpected ways due to the complex
interactions of a system, and therefore don't appear to have an obvious
source. Consequently, I think a hole provides a better visual metaphor.

But then I don't see it purely as emanating rays; I see solid structures
in there, like looking down on a city full of skyscrapers and
searchlights, or into a kaleidoscope. So, for me, the hole is just
equivalent to the road, or the end of the tube; I don't expect anything
to necessarily be there.

Of course, if someone made a wallpaper that had something in that space,
and it was an improvement, I'd support it—great images trump good
metaphors! But I think adding something just for the sake of filling
that space would actually be a detraction.

Marc

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-17 Thread Fabian A. Scherschel
I tried to put something in that space in my initial revision. If we keep
the void, I think the emanating rays need to fade into it more gradually.
The way it is now, it kinda draws your eye to the hole and then there's
nothing there...

Fab





On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Marc Stewart 
marc.c.stew...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 08:27 +0200, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
  Wow Really great work going on here. I really love Mo's new
  version and I think it's nearly perfect but I still think we need
  something in the middle of all those emanating rays and sparks. A hole
  there looks out of place, IMO.
 I like the void. I think it fits better with the emergence concept, too.
 Emergent properties appear in unexpected ways due to the complex
 interactions of a system, and therefore don't appear to have an obvious
 source. Consequently, I think a hole provides a better visual metaphor.

 But then I don't see it purely as emanating rays; I see solid structures
 in there, like looking down on a city full of skyscrapers and
 searchlights, or into a kaleidoscope. So, for me, the hole is just
 equivalent to the road, or the end of the tube; I don't expect anything
 to necessarily be there.

 Of course, if someone made a wallpaper that had something in that space,
 and it was an improvement, I'd support it—great images trump good
 metaphors! But I think adding something just for the sake of filling
 that space would actually be a detraction.

 Marc

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-15 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 09/15/2010 12:17 AM, Kris Thomsen wrote:
 Emily, I lve! the dark one - but can you try making  something
 without the lens-flare? I don't like them :D

I am in agreement with Kris, the dark version is beautiful but the flare 
is put of place.

Interesting to see the two approaches based on the same concept, this 
one from Emily very soft and smooth and Mo's proposal, strong and energetic.

 2010/9/14 Emily Dirsh:
 Thanks for all the feedback guys! It's really great! :) Taking
 everyone's comments into account I made a new! improved! revised
 wallpaper. I also did a dark version for Martin. ;)

 Here's the links:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev2.png

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-rev2-dark.png

 Unfortunately, I didn't get them done in time for the meeting today, or
 to get into beta, but I did want to share them with everyone. :)


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 09/14/2010 12:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong
 direction?

 (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
 20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )

 It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

My main problem here is with the bright areas being too bright so they 
lose details, when this happen with one of my photos I get damn! I 
borked it with overexposure, change the settings and shoot again (if 
there is something left to shoot, else just delete it).

But I like the concept and would like the image if it is darker and have 
more details visible.

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread Cata
Everyone can imagine how it would look like a shower of sparks without
a lighting effect.
I like the effect of sparks created by mizmo.

2010/9/14 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org:
 Hi Emily,

 On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 18:50 -0400, Emily Dirsh wrote:
 I know it's a bit down-to-the-wire, but I (finally! ;)) finished a new
 revision of the beta wallpaper. It's up on the wiki now here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev1.png

 I replaced the light spots/lens flare with a light streak/aurora effect.

 I don't have the source file uploaded just yet - it's huge! - but I'm
 working on it and I'll post a link on the wiki ASAP.

 I think the aurora effect you created is gorgeous, absolutely stunning -
 but it just doesn't seem to fit the wallpaper, like others have noted.
 (I'd love to see us use it for Fedora 15 though!) I've been using your
 latest wallpaper all this weekend and today and it seems the aurora is a
 bit out-of-place and the base wallpaper is a bit too simplistic. (It
 kind of reminds me a bit of the Fedora 9 wallpaper actually; that one
 didn't go over so well :( )

 So I poked around a bit with Kyle's original alpha file, adding in some
 bits and bobs from your file (mostly I used the base gradient to recolor
 the image), smoothing  streaking out the lines on the right background,
 and smoothing out where the lines pop out from the center of the object.
 Then I imported it into mypaint and used mypaint's brushes to add some
 electricity-like effects and then exported the effects as transparent
 layers back into gimp.

 Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong
 direction?

 (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
 20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread Martin Sourada
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:22 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 On 09/14/2010 12:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
  On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
  Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong
  direction?
 
  (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
  20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )
 
  It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol:
 
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

 My main problem here is with the bright areas being too bright so they
 lose details, when this happen with one of my photos I get damn! I
 borked it with overexposure, change the settings and shoot again (if
 there is something left to shoot, else just delete it).

 But I like the concept and would like the image if it is darker and have
 more details visible.

I share exactly the same sentiment and I also fear in its current state
it would not be very good usability wise. As I already said in other
thread, I like the colouring and amount of details of this one:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png

But yeah, I like the concept as well.

Martin

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread kammeronm
Yes. We can use this. It looks nice. 
- Original Message - 
From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com 
To: Fedora Design Team design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:10:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision 

On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:22 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: 
 On 09/14/2010 12:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: 
  On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: 
  Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong 
  direction? 
  
  (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora% 
  20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf ) 
  
  It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol: 
  
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png 
 
 My main problem here is with the bright areas being too bright so they 
 lose details, when this happen with one of my photos I get damn! I 
 borked it with overexposure, change the settings and shoot again (if 
 there is something left to shoot, else just delete it). 
 
 But I like the concept and would like the image if it is darker and have 
 more details visible. 
 
I share exactly the same sentiment and I also fear in its current state 
it would not be very good usability wise. As I already said in other 
thread, I like the colouring and amount of details of this one: 

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png 

But yeah, I like the concept as well. 

Martin 

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for me when sending emails, but I cannot find it in the archives, so 
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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread kammeronm
I think we can use it. It looks nice. 
- Original Message - 
From: Alexander Smirnov inksca...@gmail.com 
To: Fedora Design Team design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:49:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision 

I love it. Fantastic colors!!! :) 


2010/9/14 Máirín Duffy  du...@fedoraproject.org  



On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: 
 Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong 
 direction? 
 
 (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora% 
 20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf ) 

It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol: 

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png 




~m 



Alexander. 

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread Victor Hugo Borges
Yeah, its pretty good!



2010/9/14 kammer...@comcast.net

 I think we can use it. It looks nice.

 - Original Message -
 From: Alexander Smirnov inksca...@gmail.com
 To: Fedora Design Team design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:49:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

 I love it.  Fantastic colors!!! :)

 2010/9/14 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org

 On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
  Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong
  direction?
 
  (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
  20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )

 It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

 ~m


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-14 Thread Kris Thomsen
Emily, I lve! the dark one - but can you try making  something
without the lens-flare? I don't like them :D

// Kris

2010/9/14 Emily Dirsh em...@fightingcrane.com:
 Thanks for all the feedback guys! It's really great! :) Taking
 everyone's comments into account I made a new! improved! revised
 wallpaper. I also did a dark version for Martin. ;)

 Here's the links:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev2.png

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-rev2-dark.png

 Unfortunately, I didn't get them done in time for the meeting today, or
 to get into beta, but I did want to share them with everyone. :)

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-13 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 09/11/2010 09:14 AM, Martin Sourada wrote:
 Hrm, not bad, but I like this one the best (and I'm already using it):
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png

I also like best the colors and composition in this one.

 IMHO the lens flare and darker colours work better than aurora and
 lighter colours.

The flare is, IMO, it's biggest flaw: it looks to me too much like the 
default flare in GIMP.

 Keep up the awesome work! :)

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong
 direction?
 
 (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
 20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )

It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-13 Thread Alexander Smirnov
I love it.  Fantastic colors!!! :)

2010/9/14 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org

 On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
  Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it the wrong
  direction?
 
  (source is: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
  20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )

 It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

 ~m


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-13 Thread Michael Beckwith
 Dang. I am liking this, despite still not being an active help lately.

On 09/13/2010 05:49 PM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
 I love it.� Fantastic colors!!! :)

 2010/9/14 M�ir�n Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org
 mailto:du...@fedoraproject.org

 On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:18 -0400, M�ir�n Duffy wrote:
  Do you think this is something we could use for beta? Or is it
 the wrong
  direction?
 
  (source is:
 http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%
  20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/F14-2400x15363.xcf )

 It might help to link the actual wallpaper, lol:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png

 ~m


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-12 Thread Cata
Agree with Victor : Linux community can show really well its features
on unique designs.

2010/9/12 Victor Hugo Borges victorbor...@gmail.com:
 [...]
 Bad artists copy. Great artists steal.
  --  Pablo Picasso
 [...]

 It is something to think about, but when you release a product people expect
 something very unique.
 If that reminds you of one of your rivals at its visual identity, it is not
 something pretty good to the user that expects more.
 Linux community can show really well its features on unique designs.
 The wallpaper is really good and it was really well made (congrats to the
 creator), and I dont mind using it (thats for sure), but if we could just
 choose something that just dont go in to the flow of Aero, Leopard or Seven;
 Going to a diffrent direction, thats, IMHO, is the best thing to do.


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-11 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 18:50 -0400, Emily Dirsh wrote: 
 I know it's a bit down-to-the-wire, but I (finally! ;)) finished a new
 revision of the beta wallpaper. It's up on the wiki now here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev1.png
 
 I replaced the light spots/lens flare with a light streak/aurora effect.
 
 I don't have the source file uploaded just yet - it's huge! - but I'm
 working on it and I'll post a link on the wiki ASAP.
 
 See what you think!
 
Hrm, not bad, but I like this one the best (and I'm already using it):
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png

IMHO the lens flare and darker colours work better than aurora and
lighter colours.

Keep up the awesome work! :)

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-11 Thread Cata
So darkness, i like something more apple

2010/9/11 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com:
 On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 18:50 -0400, Emily Dirsh wrote:
 I know it's a bit down-to-the-wire, but I (finally! ;)) finished a new
 revision of the beta wallpaper. It's up on the wiki now here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev1.png

 I replaced the light spots/lens flare with a light streak/aurora effect.

 I don't have the source file uploaded just yet - it's huge! - but I'm
 working on it and I'll post a link on the wiki ASAP.

 See what you think!

 Hrm, not bad, but I like this one the best (and I'm already using it):
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png

 IMHO the lens flare and darker colours work better than aurora and
 lighter colours.

 Keep up the awesome work! :)

 Martin

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-11 Thread Victor Hugo Borges
I like it, but the left side really look like something kinda Windows
VISTA/SEVEN.




2010/9/11 Cata catalinf...@gmail.com

 So darkness, i like something more apple

 2010/9/11 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com:
  On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 18:50 -0400, Emily Dirsh wrote:
  I know it's a bit down-to-the-wire, but I (finally! ;)) finished a new
  revision of the beta wallpaper. It's up on the wiki now here:
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev1.png
 
  I replaced the light spots/lens flare with a light streak/aurora effect.
 
  I don't have the source file uploaded just yet - it's huge! - but I'm
  working on it and I'll post a link on the wiki ASAP.
 
  See what you think!
 
  Hrm, not bad, but I like this one the best (and I'm already using it):
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png
 
  IMHO the lens flare and darker colours work better than aurora and
  lighter colours.
 
  Keep up the awesome work! :)
 
  Martin
 
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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-11 Thread Martin Sourada
On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 10:39 -0300, Victor Hugo Borges wrote:
 I like it, but the left side really look like something kinda Windows
 VISTA/SEVEN.
I always think about it when someone brings this up, but is this
necessarilly a bad thing?

Bad artists copy. Great artists steal.
  --  Pablo Picasso 

(which is one of the reasons why I dislike the standard copyright clause
on creative things like music or art)

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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-11 Thread Victor Hugo Borges
[...]
Bad artists copy. Great artists steal.
 --  Pablo Picasso
[...]

It is something to think about, but when you release a product people expect
something very unique.
If that reminds you of one of your rivals at its visual identity, it is not
something pretty good to the user that expects more.
Linux community can show really well its features on unique designs.
The wallpaper is really good and it was really well made (congrats to the
creator), and I dont mind using it (thats for sure), but if we could just
choose something that just dont go in to the flow of Aero, Leopard or Seven;
Going to a diffrent direction, thats, IMHO, is the best thing to do.


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Re: [Design-team] Beta wallpaper revision

2010-09-10 Thread Misha Shnurapet
11.09.2010, 07:50, Emily Dirsh em...@fightingcrane.com:
 I know it's a bit down-to-the-wire, but I (finally! ;)) finished a new
 revision of the beta wallpaper. It's up on the wiki now here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-light-rev1.png

 I replaced the light spots/lens flare with a light streak/aurora effect.

 I don't have the source file uploaded just yet - it's huge! - but I'm
 working on it and I'll post a link on the wiki ASAP.

 See what you think!

Hi, Emily.

This one has got good colors! I looove the effect, however, the streak
lines go across the rays, and I feel a little dissonance.

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