Re: [Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
I've seen the Liberation font, it's very nice and probably a lot better than either one of the fonts discussed here, judging from the samples. I'm not on my Ubuntu box right now, do you have a screenshot showing how it looks as rendered with the system's default anti-aliasing settings? Michiel On 30 March 2010 02:41, Harald Sitter apachelog...@ubuntu.com wrote: As per the decision made today at the Kubuntu meeting. Kubuntu is switching to Liberation for 10.04. ** Changed in: kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
So basically, Liberation is meant to be the default serif, sans-serif and monospace in documents such as web pages? Just saw some screenshots of Liberation being used as the system font, and while I don't think it's ugly, I can understand what you mean. Nice to hear that Dalton Maag have been commissioned to make a new font. Michiel On 30 March 2010 11:42, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: The Liberation fonts exist only for width compatibility with documents that were using Helvetica and Times New Roman. They are too ugly to use for anything else, and we won't be using them in Ubuntu's interface. As described in http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/308, Dalton Maag is working on a new interface font for Ubuntu, currently scheduled for 10.10. ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
I think it's a difficult issue. DejaVu Sans is a very good font, as is DejaVu Sans Condensed. The former has the advantage of being more extended, which aids readability, and the latter might be slightly more elegant and allows for more information to be shown on the screen. In any case, a consensus is necessary for such a massive change to occur. Changing the default font is not something that's decided very easily. It will affect every single user in a significant way. A font can make or break the communication with the user, after all. So maybe the right way to go about this change is to start a public debate on the issue. Michiel On 28-feb-2008, at 3:23, Richard Johnson wrote: Has there been any talks on this further at UDS or IRC at all? Is this feasible or are there no plans to implement such a task? -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 176623] gnome-system-monitor documentation is ancient, needs updating
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: gnome-system-monitor The documentation of this package is ancient. It's, in fact, so old that it states the window should have no more than two tabs in its main window, while there are four by now. It has no information on the System and File Systems tabs at all. The manual's version is 2.1, whereas the program is at 2.20.1 by now. See screenshot for emphasis. ** Affects: gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- gnome-system-monitor documentation is ancient, needs updating https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/176623 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-system-monitor in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 176623] Re: gnome-system-monitor documentation is ancient, needs updating
** Attachment added: Differences between recent System Monitor and its documentation. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10917875/system-monitor.png -- gnome-system-monitor documentation is ancient, needs updating https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/176623 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-system-monitor in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
I don't see how DejaVu Sans could have broken that image. I've not made many SVG graphics with non-outline text in them, but it would seem to me that you can never be certain about how it will be rendered. That SVG graphic you linked to seems to have Bitstream Vera Sans hardcoded in it as font. This is a good thing, as it means there is (should be) no uncertainty about how the font will look on other people's computers. If a system has Bitstream Vera Sans installed on it, the image should display correctly. I'm unsure how a completely different font that happens to also be the system's default font, DejaVu Sans, could cause this image to be rendered differently. Am I missing something? Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web designer and programmer On 10-apr-2007, at 16:35, jhasse wrote: Here's another example where DejaVu Sans destroys a svg image: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/diagram.svg should look like this: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/diagram.png -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
Ah, I see. In that case, ignore my last message too, since it seems to be a Firefox bug. Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web designer and programmer On 10-apr-2007, at 16:43, jhasse wrote: hmm... maybe I'm wrong, when I watch the image with another application then firefox, it works. Sorry for the interruption then. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
Again, it seems to be the result of bad design. Try increasing the font size while looking at that footer. You'll find that it's set to a static height, and is unable to adapt to different font sizes. I think that the footBotDiv id is the culprit. http://youtube.com/ css/base_yts1175727411.css Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web designer and programmer On 10-apr-2007, at 17:18, jhasse wrote: I think you're right. It must be something else because this image is broken. well, I just noticed that pons.de has a new design which is now working with DejaVu Sans. But I found another website which doesn't like right with DejaVu Sans, it's the bottom of youtube.com. Because they might change this I attached a screenshot. ** Attachment added: youtube.jpg http://librarian.launchpad.net/7242645/youtube.jpg -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
A while ago, I replied to this bug about not liking the font at all. It seemed that a more extended font like DejaVu Sans was more readable, due to the fact that broad fonts with a large x-height are simply found to lend themselves very well for reading on a computer screen (as proved by the popularity of fonts such as Verdana and Bitstream Vera Sans on the Internet). However, most of my concern was due to the fact that DejaVu Sans Condensed didn't seem to have any hinting at all on any setting other than slight. I must say that with slight as hinting, it does look very good, and, arguably, more modern than DejaVu Sans. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
I'm currently unable to check on how that website looks with Condensed, as I'm at work, but I'd expect that the breakage is due to the site designers having done a bad job rather than the font being incompatible. Making a design rely on the width of a font is always a bad idea (it also probably wasn't designed with Bitstream Vera Sans in mind, anyway). We do need a hinted DejaVu Sans Condensed at some point, but I believe that it does look good enough for production on slight hinting. Maybe I'm biased, though, because I prefer the slight hinting in most cases. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/81608 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
By the way, I also believe that this font's usability goes up when using the low amount of hinting. It causes the top and bottom row of pixels to be correctly hinted. If we use this font as default, I believe that we should also start using that setting as the default hinting. (Should I open up a new bug report for this?) -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
You know, I really don't think that this font is all that great. The hinting is really, really off. Or even non-existent. And, as I suspected, the font does not have the optimal screen font structure. Condensed fonts are more difficult to read, most of the time, and that is why I was skeptical from the beginning. I don't think that cramming more information in a less readable font is going to do much good. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
Sebastien Bacher, did you even read what I said? If you're fixing this, you should realize that this isn't your average bug. This is a gigantic OS-wise change that will affect everybody. We first would need to open up a discussion on whether we /want/ to change this before actually doing it. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 81608] Re: Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font
My concern /is/ appearance, Jimmy. Not testing. I'm active in the Ubuntu artwork team, and I believe that making such a change is /not/ something that you simply propose and accept in an afternoon. This requires more thought, and I believe that the artwork team should be involved here as well. I'm still at work, so maybe someone could make a screenshot of this font. I'd like to see how it looks. The Bitstream Vera Sans font is a good font, and I believe that the condensed version will have to look very good for it to obsolete the non-condensed version. I'm also worried about the structure of a condensed font. It's not just the amount of text that you can cram on a screen that matters, really. If you've studied type design, especially their screen appearances, you'll find that there are other very important aspects. Why use a condensed font if it's less legible than an extended font, for instance? Just saying that Ubuntu looks like a Commodore 64 is not enough for me. -- Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 43350] Re: Too Low Resolution Backgrounds
** Description changed: The backgrounds currently included are too low resolution. * 1600x1200 * 1600x1000 When displaying these background on higher resolution devices it looks stretched and ugly! Considering (also) supplying these sizes: * 1920×1200 * 1680x1050 + + The following has also been suggested: + * 2560x1600 -- Too Low Resolution Backgrounds https://launchpad.net/bugs/43350 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 14630] Re: Gdm theme Human with face list
I don't get what you're saying here. Are you saying that you'll make the design of the face browser as neutral as possible so that it'll fit in with any style? That's generally not the way to go if you're making default artwork. There is already a big enough inconsistency problem in Ubuntu as it is, due to the lack of official design documentation. Michiel Sikma Web developer, Design Center BV. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://thingmajig.org/ On 14-jan-2007, at 22:37, Mirco Müller wrote: Troy, trust me... there won't be a problem following just any style. -- Gdm theme Human with face list https://launchpad.net/bugs/14630 -- Gdm theme Human with face list https://launchpad.net/bugs/14630 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 69627] Re: menubar icon
Op 1-nov-2006, om 10:40 heeft David Prieto het volgende geschreven: No, changing the size of the panel doesn't seem to change the icons at all. Oh, hmm. Strange, I remember once changing theme, which changed the size of the menu bar, which caused icons to lose their perfect size at which they were precisely aligned to the pixel. But I only once did that, so maybe it was fixed or changed since. Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web designer and programmer -- menubar icon https://launchpad.net/bugs/69627 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
