[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #75) Nicolas, Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from? Because unlike in English most French punctuation symbols require a space (sometimes a short space) before. And if it's not a non-breakable space apps will perform line breaks at the wrong position and you'll end up with orphan sumbols at line starts Online http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_ins%C3%A9cable Actual authoritative reverence (highly recommended if you want to work on any system with French inputs or outputs) http://www.amazon.fr/Lexique-r%C3%A8gles-typographiques-lImprimerie-Nationale/dp/2743304820 Lack of non breakspace on French layouts on some OSes is such a basic problem OpenOffice/LibreOffice had to hardcode a nbspc combo but that does not help when writing in you MUA, your browser, your IM client, etc Isn't a compose combo more appropriate and less error-prone? Compose is not appropriate for basic symbols you need to write pretty much any correct sentence in the target language. And adding a specific input method for one symbol just because some people can't live with the modifier ISO chose for level 5 is disproportionnate. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #66) Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices but 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a lot more hate mail 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not the same as C code). It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting corners -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #71) And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46). I'm pretty sure some of the other spacebar configurations available as xkb options do not require level5. They are not the default for fr(oss) because without level5 it is too easy to type a nbspc by mistake and random nbspc everywhere breaks lots of things (as reported by fr latin9 users). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #70) If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout accessible, even under another name? The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr latin9) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #54) So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line: include level5(rctrl_switch) No, just didn't see the point of restating what has already been written before A level 5 map needs a level 5 switch, iso defined right ctrl as default level 5 switch so there is no better option available, and users who do not care about the fifth level can choose another spacebar variant since they are configurable. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #44) Hello, Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now? Breaking the very standard behavior of right control It does not break the very standard behavior of right control any more than altrgr breaks the very standard behavior of right alt It's exactly the same mechanism as endorsed in other official French layouts like the Canadian one -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #39) So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make you all reasonably happy? Is there a way to make the spacebar more neutral *except* for the combinations that trigger something else than space? The main complain seems to be that some apps want to grab space combinations (which is a really stupid idea IMHO) so can xkb work ass passthrough except for the specific combos used for nbspc? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #33) The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of the Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that my keyboard was broken). See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881 My opinion is that the right solution to solve the RhythmBox bug is to remove the line include nbsp(level4nl) not patching the keyboard with the ugly include level5(rctrl_switch) Maybe we can solve the nbsp handling as it is the problem. Which language has a successful keyboard that handles nbsp? right ctrl is the standard access key for level 5+6 (just like right alt is for levels 3-4 and yes you'll find keyboards where right alt is the same as left alt and not alt gr) See for example this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard_comment-en.svg So you can not remove right ctrl use without lowering the layout level number, and if you do so people start emitting nbsp my mistake (that was the biggest source of complain for one of this layout ancestors) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #36) And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find it is more convenient (and I think I am not alone). So, instead of: include nbsp(level4nl) we put non-breaking space to level 3: include nbsp(level3n) This gives us back the Right-Ctrl. It does not break RhythmBox behaviour any more. And people using non-breaking spaces will be happy. That's basically what fr-latin9 (the ancestor of fr-oss) used to do and it was changed to the current setting because too many people complained it made it too easy to type nbsp by mistake -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
(but now the nbsp behaviour is configurable so you should be able to override the default on your system if you wish) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
