[Bug 71071] Re: gtk1.2 default installation doesn't need to look so ordinary

2008-09-09 Thread Obleak 
Hi Andreas,

Yes it's still the same. (in hardy amd64) though the gtk industrial
tango theme has changed names again

1) apt-get install industrialtango-theme

2) create /etc/gtk/gtkrc and insert the following
=
include "/usr/share/themes/IndustrialTango/gtk/gtkrc"

style "default-text" {
fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1,\
   -*-r-*-iso10646-1,*"
}

class "*" style "default-text"
=
attached is a tgz showing the progression from default->better font->better 
font+theme 

(still think a ubuntu gtk1.2 theme would be cool, base it on the
industrial-tango theme and "ubuntise" the colours in a new gtkrc)

BTW (off topic) xmms is missing from the repos even though the xmms plugins are 
still available? 
so I've used putty as an example gtk1.2 app


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2007-12-08 Thread Obleak 
same behavior here too.
client -> server
gutsy -> edgy (fails)
gutsy -> feisty (fails)
gutsy -> gusty (fails)

I can work around the problem by using kdm instead

Jose, I think this is the patch Sebastien is referring to:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495623#c19

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[Bug 71071] Re: gtk1.2 default installation doesn't need to look so ordinary

2007-06-03 Thread Obleak 
packages have changed under feisty, no more libindustrialtango.so

you'd need to do the follow to achieve what I outlined for edgy 
(see attached image for end result)

1) apt-get install gtk-engines-industrial industrialtango-theme

2) create /etc/gtk/gtkrc and insert the following
=
include "/usr/share/themes/IndustrialTango/gtk/gtkrc"

style "default-text" {
fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1,\
   -*-r-*-iso10646-1,*"
}

class "*" style "default-text"
=

also: it wouldn't be too hard to modify industrial-tango  to make
industrial-ubuntu...

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[Bug 71071] Re: gtk1.2 default installation doesn't need to look so ordinary

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
** Summary changed:

- gtk1.2 default installation is very ordinary
+ gtk1.2 default installation doesn't need to look so ordinary

** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: libgtk1.2-common
  
- I have some more information about this and a fix.
+ I have some information about this and a fix.
  
  A default ubuntu install (I'm using edgy in this example) does not install 
gtk1.2 by default.
  When an application is added (say xmms) that is dependant on gtk1.2, the 
libgtk1.2-common package gets installed which provides the system defaults
  
  http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/libgtk1.2-common
  
  Problems with the defaults are
  #1 it uses a font which looks terrible without anti-alising, and is too big
  #2 the default style belongs in the 1980's
  
  althought most gtk apps have migrated to gtk2 by now, there's quite a
  few commercial apps that use gtk1.2 still - and why do we want
  commercial apps to look so ordinary???
  
  #1 Details of default font
  
  as ubuntu uses utf8, the font defaults for gtk1.2 come from
  /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8
  
  style "default-text" {
 fontset = "-*-arial-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1,\
-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*"
  }
  
  arial is not installed by default, so gtk reverts to the helvetica font.
  plugging in the same attributs into xfontsel we get (see attached image)
  
  #2 Details of the default style
  
  I don't know about everyone else but to me that grey blocky default
  theme is just an eyestrain. (see 2nd attached image)
  
  Coupled with the larger than usual font the whole effect is a bit
  amaturish - note how in the attached image the word 'Digital1' in the
  dropdown menu has been chopped - both the bottom and the end. Also note
  how the 0.0 1.0 2.0 numbering at the bottom of the image have crept
  upwards beyond the bar they are in.
  
  
  THE FIX
  
  All that needs to be done is
  
  #1 set a default font that
  a) is actually installed
  b) is the same size as the default gtk2 font
  c) looks decent without anti-aliasing
  
  Here are two defaults that look pretty good
  -adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal-­ -10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1
  -schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal­ -*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1
  
  #2 install a gtk1.2 theme either by including it in the libgtk1.2-common
  package or making libgtk1.2-common dependant on it.
  
  a) interestingly if I install and run 'gtk-theme-switch' from the cli,
  by default I have a choice of two gtk themes (which is odd because only
  Default has been installed) - Default (yurk) and IndustrialTango.
  Previewing IndustrialTango results in:
  
  Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path:
  "libinudustrial.so"
  
  me thinks the gtk-industrial-tango package should have been installed with 
libgtk1.2!!!
  a quick apt-get install gtk-industrial-tango later and we can finally fix up 
these ugly looking gtk apps
  
  #3 set a system default.
  This bit is really easy
  
  simply create a /etc/gtk/gtkrc file and put in it directions for the two 
different issues.
  note this will get overridden by a ~/.gtkrc.mine file so we are not locking 
users into anything dramatic.
  =
  include "/usr/share/themes/IndustrialTango/gtk/gtkrc"
  
  style "default-text" {
  fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1,\
 -*-r-*-iso10646-1,*"
  }
  
  class "*" style "default-text"
  =
  
  save & run any gtk1.2 app - looks a bit better huh???
  
  so in summary here is all that needs to be done to make gtk1.2 apps look
  decent by default
  
  #1 make the libgtk1.2-common package dependent on the gtk-industrial-
  tango package (like it should be)
  
  #2 inlcude the /etc/gtk/gtkrc file as above that we have some sort of a
  decent system wide default Theme for gtk1.2 apps

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[Bug 71071] Re: gtk1.2 default installation is very ordinary

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 

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[Bug 71071] Re: gtk1.2 default installation is very ordinary

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 

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[Bug 71071] gtk1.2 default installation is very ordinary

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: libgtk1.2-common

I have some more information about this and a fix.

A default ubuntu install (I'm using edgy in this example) does not install 
gtk1.2 by default.
When an application is added (say xmms) that is dependant on gtk1.2, the 
libgtk1.2-common package gets installed which provides the system defaults

http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/libgtk1.2-common

Problems with the defaults are
#1 it uses a font which looks terrible without anti-alising, and is too big
#2 the default style belongs in the 1980's

althought most gtk apps have migrated to gtk2 by now, there's quite a
few commercial apps that use gtk1.2 still - and why do we want
commercial apps to look so ordinary???

#1 Details of default font

as ubuntu uses utf8, the font defaults for gtk1.2 come from
/etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8

style "default-text" {
   fontset = "-*-arial-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1,\
  -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*"
}

arial is not installed by default, so gtk reverts to the helvetica font.
plugging in the same attributs into xfontsel we get (see attached image)

#2 Details of the default style

I don't know about everyone else but to me that grey blocky default
theme is just an eyestrain. (see 2nd attached image)

Coupled with the larger than usual font the whole effect is a bit
amaturish - note how in the attached image the word 'Digital1' in the
dropdown menu has been chopped - both the bottom and the end. Also note
how the 0.0 1.0 2.0 numbering at the bottom of the image have crept
upwards beyond the bar they are in.


THE FIX

All that needs to be done is

#1 set a default font that
a) is actually installed
b) is the same size as the default gtk2 font
c) looks decent without anti-aliasing

Here are two defaults that look pretty good
-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal-­ -10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1
-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal­ -*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1

#2 install a gtk1.2 theme either by including it in the libgtk1.2-common
package or making libgtk1.2-common dependant on it.

a) interestingly if I install and run 'gtk-theme-switch' from the cli,
by default I have a choice of two gtk themes (which is odd because only
Default has been installed) - Default (yurk) and IndustrialTango.
Previewing IndustrialTango results in:

Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path:
"libinudustrial.so"

me thinks the gtk-industrial-tango package should have been installed with 
libgtk1.2!!!
a quick apt-get install gtk-industrial-tango later and we can finally fix up 
these ugly looking gtk apps

#3 set a system default.
This bit is really easy

simply create a /etc/gtk/gtkrc file and put in it directions for the two 
different issues.
note this will get overridden by a ~/.gtkrc.mine file so we are not locking 
users into anything dramatic.
=
include "/usr/share/themes/IndustrialTango/gtk/gtkrc"

style "default-text" {
fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1,\
   -*-r-*-iso10646-1,*"
}

class "*" style "default-text"
=

save & run any gtk1.2 app - looks a bit better huh???

so in summary here is all that needs to be done to make gtk1.2 apps look
decent by default

#1 make the libgtk1.2-common package dependent on the gtk-industrial-
tango package (like it should be)

#2 inlcude the /etc/gtk/gtkrc file as above that we have some sort of a
decent system wide default Theme for gtk1.2 apps

** Affects: gtk+1.2 (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Unconfirmed

** Tags added: font gtk1.2

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[Bug 59936] Re: default gtk+1.2 font does not render umlauts etc. correctly

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
** Tags added: font gtk gtk1.2

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[Bug 59936] Re: default gtk+1.2 font does not render umlauts etc. correctly

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
Onto the fix now.

All that needs to be done is

#1 set  a default font that 
a) is actually installed
b) is the same size as the default gtk2 font 
c) looks decent without anti-aliasing

Here are two defaults that look pretty good
-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal-­ -10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1
-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal­ -*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1

#2 install a gtk1.2 theme either by including it in the libgtk1.2-common
package or making libgtk1.2-common dependant on it.

a) interestingly if I install and run 'gtk-theme-switch' from the cli, by 
default I have a choice of two gtk themes (which is odd because only Default 
has been installed) - Default (yurk) and IndustrialTango. Previewing 
IndustrialTango results in:
 
Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: 
"libinudustrial.so"

me thinks the gtk-industrial-tango package should have been installed with 
libgtk1.2!!!
a quick apt-get install gtk-industrial-tango later and we can finally fix up 
these ugly looking gtk apps

#3 set a system default.
This bit is really easy

simply create a /etc/gtk/gtkrc file and put in it directions for the two 
different issues.
note this will get overridden by a ~/.gtkrc.mine file so we are not locking 
users into anything dramatic.
=
include "/usr/share/themes/IndustrialTango/gtk/gtkrc"

style "default-text" {
fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-57-iso10646-1,\
   -*-r-*-iso10646-1,*"
}

class "*" style "default-text"
=

save & run any gtk1.2 app - looks a bit better huh???

so in summary here is all that needs to be done to make gtk1.2 apps look
decent by default


#1 make the libgtk1.2-common package dependent on the gtk-industrial-tango 
package (like it should be)

#2 inlcude the /etc/gtk/gtkrc file as above that we have some sort of a
decent system wide default Theme for gtk1.2 apps

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[Bug 59936] Re: default gtk+1.2 font does not render umlauts etc. correctly

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
#2 Details of the default style

I don't know about everyone else but to me that grey blocky default
theme is just an eyestrain.

Coupled with the larger than usual font the whole effect is a bit
amaturish - note how in the attached image the word 'Digital1' in the
dropdown menu has been chopped - both the bottom and the end. Also note
how the 0.0 1.0 2.0 numbering at the bottom of the image have crept
upwards beyond the bar they are in.


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[Bug 59936] Re: default gtk+1.2 font does not render umlauts etc. correctly

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
#1 Details of default font

as ubuntu uses utf8, the font defaults for gtk1.2 come from 
/etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8

style "default-text" {
   fontset = "-*-arial-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1,\
  -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*"
}

arial is not installed by default, so gtk reverts to the helvetica font.
plugging in the same attributs into xfontsel we get (see attached image)

** Attachment added: "xfontsel showing the default helvetica font"
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[Bug 59936] Re: default gtk+1.2 font does not render umlauts etc. correctly

2006-11-09 Thread Obleak 
Hi All,

I have some more information about this item and a fix.

A default ubuntu install (I'm using edgy in this example) does not install 
gtk1.2 by default.
When an application is added (say xmms) that is dependant on gtk1.2, the 
libgtk1.2-common package gets installed which provides the system defaults

http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/libgtk1.2-common

Problems with the defaults are
#1 it uses a font which looks terrible without anti-alising, and is too big
#2 the default style belongs in the 1980's

althought most gtk apps have migrated to gtk2 by now, there's quite a
few commercial apps that use gtk1.2 still - and why do we want
commercial apps to look so ordinary???

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