[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-11-08 Thread Pedro Bessa
manny,

you wanted title bar click to toggle the menu bar. If people didn't want
it, you said you would accept title bar hover to toggle the menu bar.
I'm going to go with you! :-) I want title bar hover to toggle the menu
bar.

Soon, I want:
- when the app is launched, the menu bar must appear for three seconds, then 
disappear for discoverability
- instead of toggle, unless it's needed (
install mozilla labs' lesschrome hd, hover tab bar, hover page content *
)
- instead of hover, slightly delayed hover (
turn off global menu bar integration, restart fx, turn off menu bar, click app 
button, slightly delayed hover a menu item **
)

Later, if all this works, I want:
- not only the menu bar, all bars under the title bar
- not only all bars under the title bar, window controls

* https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/prospector-lessChrome-HD/
** https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589146

reply

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-10-19 Thread Pedro Bessa
I have Xubuntu 12.04. I went update-manager -d. I'm typing during 
Installing the updates. THERE'S NO GLOBAL MENU!

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-10-19 Thread Pedro Bessa
False alarm. I was on Gnome Shell. :-(

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-10-19 Thread Pedro Bessa
CONGRATULATIONS, MR. MACKEY!

I'm a programmer and I tried to solve the problem, but I had to finish
learning C and C++, and learn GTK+, Nux, Compiz and OpenGL, but when I
thought I had to learn Nux and Compiz from their source codes, because I
couldn't find their documentations, I got scared and gave up solving the
problem, so I congratulate you for knowing C, C++, GTK+, Nux, Compiz and
OpenGL, and solving the problem.

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-10-12 Thread Pedro Bessa
The worry:
When a title is on the middle of the screen, your pointer is above the title, 
you want to click a thing slightly below the title and you move the pointer 
from above the title to slightly below the title, the menu bar appears on top 
of the thing and you click a menu item instead of the thing.

The relief:
Firefox has an app button. To use it, disable the Global Menu Bar Integration 
add-on, restart Firefox, right-click the Home icon, deselect Menu Bar.  In the 
Firefox app button, menu items display sub-menu on a slightly delayed hover.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589146

You mouse over the title bar, after a slight delay, the menu bar appears.
You mouse out of the title and menu bars, after a slight delay, the menu bar 
disappears.
What do you say?

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-10-12 Thread Pedro Bessa
When the app opens, show the menu bar for a few seconds, then hide it.
Warning: the menu bar floats above the app content, because they're layers.

for consistency: window controls are always visible and appear by the
left of the title in non-maximized windows, so they should be always
visible and appear there too in maximized windows

for discoverability: google mobile is going to use three horizontal
lines to represent a list and shows the Google service and product list
when clicked, so instead of showing the menu bar for a few seconds, then
hiding it, we could use an yellow icon with three vertical lines inside
a circle by the right of the window title that represents a list and
shows the menu bar when hovered or touched

(These two wishes are very good for tablets, because we don't keep track
of the user's finger position in the air, so the user won't hover
anything, so the user will see the icon and intentionally touch it.)

Agreed?

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity Global Menu

2012-10-11 Thread Pedro Bessa
You mouse over the title bar, the url bar appears.
You mouse out of the title and url bar, the url bar disappears.
by Mozilla Labs
at 
https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/prospector-lessChrome-HD/?src=search

You mouse over the title bar, the menu bar appears.
You mouse out of the title and menu bar, the menu bar disappears.
like Mozilla Labs
What do you say?

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-09-30 Thread Pedro Bessa
+1 Rachel

Unity users want different things here. Beyond, I think Unity developers
want different things here too, because Ayatana Design has Fix
Committed, but it can't get the other projects to have Fix Committed
too, so it looks like the other projects are disagreeing with Ayatana
Design.

Gnome Shell has https://extensions.gnome.org/ An extension ecosystem is
gold. Gnome Shell doesn't realize it has gold, so isn't shipped with
extension support and doesn't make the extension support package
visible. The Gnome Shell extension ecosystem was created and published
by Gnome Shell community developers.

I remember a rich friend saying in Russia, people had one shoe size for
all. People would go to Ubuntu Software Center, click Ubuntu Extensions,
view global menu options and click install in the same row or view LIM
in a row and click Install in the same row. You wouldn't have to worry
about giving us one shoe size.

What do you think?

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-09-13 Thread Pedro Bessa
Development stopped, because there are lots of ***disagreements***
between us all.

There were three alternatives.
[] global menu on
[] global menu off
[] global menu only on maximized windows
We came up with new alternatives.
[] mockup 1
[] mockup 2
[] LIM

we need to:
- vote on the new alternatives / mockups until 100 votes
- count votes
- ***decide*** the lead alternative

The Ubuntu Community must pressure the Ubuntu team a lot to get the lead
alternative implemented.

By the way, here is my vote:

[x] LIM

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-09-13 Thread Pedro Bessa
[] mockup 1 - http://imageshack.us/f/837/screenshotdesktop.png/ and 
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-window.html
[] mockup 2 - 
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-window.html and 
http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com/gallery/29691776 
http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com/gallery/29691776#/d3dygwc
[] LIM - http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/oxygen-appmenu-replace-menu-with.html 
http://minus.com/lbq3ka2PRj4EKV and 
http://madjunir.deviantart.com/art/ubuntu-menu-button-un-maximized-windows-273062518
 https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08710.html

to vote for LIM, write [x] LIM, then click Post Comment

we need a decision

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-09-13 Thread Pedro Bessa
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-
window.html has two pictures, mockup 2, then mockup 1

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-09-13 Thread Pedro Bessa
vooote!

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-09-13 Thread Pedro Bessa
@ Doug
no

@Ingo
I don't have a source.

:-(

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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus

2012-08-24 Thread Pedro Bessa
Do the following instructions work in your computers?
http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/03/how-to-install-new-locally-integrated.html

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[Bug 931245] Re: Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars

2012-04-17 Thread Pedro Bessa
** Attachment added: mouse pointer over ellipse, not over menu icon, but 
highlight behavior already active, so if user clicks, menu opens
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/931245/+attachment/3084105/+files/highlight.png

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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-04-10 Thread Pedro Bessa
The global menu complaint is coming to an end, it

https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/931245

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[Bug 931245] Re: Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars

2012-04-07 Thread Pedro Bessa
** Attachment removed: ellipse*s* make click area*s* bigger
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/931245/+attachment/2990313/+files/ellipses.png

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[Bug 931245] Re: Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars

2012-04-07 Thread Pedro Bessa
updated!

ellipse*s* make click area*s* bigger

the shiny new highlight shows why the click area is bigger

** Attachment added: ellipse*s* make click area*s* bigger
   
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[Bug 931245] Re: Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars

2012-04-07 Thread Pedro Bessa
ellipses make click areas bigger
now with ellipse highlight
now with mouse pointer
the highlight is on hover

** Attachment removed: ellipse*s* make click area*s* bigger
   
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** Attachment added: ellipses make click areas bigger
   
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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-04-06 Thread Pedro Bessa
12.04 is near. The LIM Button can't be made until 12.04, but the global
menu for maximized windows only can. These features are evolving,
anyway. What if we have the global menu for maximized windows only in
12.04 and the LIM Button in 12.10?

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[Bug 931245] Re: Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars

2012-04-02 Thread Pedro Bessa
** Attachment added: ellipse*s* make click area*s* bigger
   
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[Bug 931245] Re: Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars

2012-03-25 Thread Pedro Bessa
my solution - ellipse.png is attached
best solution - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97878037/LIM%20button.png

Tell Marco Trevisan: If the LIM button at
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97878037/LIM%20button.png appears in
Precise Pangolin, you can safely say it's a main feature like Ubuntu
HUD, because you saw the global menu bug report heat. Your patch was
near the LIM button, so you have 80% of the code for the LIM button
already done. We weren't expecting you to have that, so we said that the
LIM button won't be in 12.04. Keep the global menu bug report heat in
mind. Keep the end of april which is the precise pangolin release date
in mind. Please, implement the LIM button ASAP!

** Attachment added: an ellipse makes the click area bigger
   
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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-03-22 Thread Pedro Bessa
I'm sorry for my bad behavior here. I won't send correction messages
after sending a message any longer. I'll try to get the only message
right.

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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-03-18 Thread Pedro Bessa
We're 13 days away from Ubuntu April, 2012.

Here, greeks and trojans argued a lot. Some want global menu for
maximized windows only, others want app buttons instead of menu bars. I
don't think the Ubuntu team be able to please greeks and trojans.

What's decided by the end of this hot bug report?

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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Bessa
my attachment shows a wide m, but the windicator shows a wider ellipse, so you 
can make the wide m wider
maybe, make close, minimize and maximize wider too, so they match the wide m
let's surpass windows in accessibility and apple in design

** Attachment added: a wide m.png
   
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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-03-14 Thread Pedro Bessa
I loved the windicator icon size, because it's an arrow inside an
ellipse and it's a wide icon, so I won't have to strive to target the
mouse pointer to the icon.

Combining lim1 and lim2, put the green icon's m inside the windicator
icon's ellipse and use the green icon functionality in the ellipse with
m.

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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-03-14 Thread Pedro Bessa
*and position ellipse with m by the right of maximize, by the left of
the title

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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-02-15 Thread Pedro Bessa
I saw the solution screenshot. It's an icon that shows a non-persistent
menu when clicked. If people complain that they're trying hard to target
the mouse pointer, because the icon is too small, do as I say:

These things are called app buttons. The Firefox app button is the label
Firefox inside a button. Make the *app name*'s app button be the label
*app name* inside a button. So we would have: close, minimize, maximize,
title - app name (as a label inside a button).

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[Bug 682788] Re: Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens

2012-02-15 Thread Pedro Bessa
In Windows, the Firefox app button is on top left. Since titles vary in
length and it's good to have the app button always in the same place,
because it makes finding the app button easier, we would better have:
close minimize maximize [app name] title.

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[Bug 730050] Re: Gwibber has begin service on enter preference, Empathy doesn't

2012-01-20 Thread Pedro Bessa
Empathy has connect automatically on startup.

Empathy launches on startup even if I don't ask.
Empathy connects to the internet on startup only if I ask.

This combination makes my Empathy ready to connect to the internet.

Your solution is good for Empathy and Gwibber.
My similar solution is good for Evolution (Solution #1 at 
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/26709/).

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[Bug 730050] Re: Gwibber has begin service on enter preference, Empathy doesn't

2012-01-20 Thread Pedro Bessa
Now that Empathy has a preference that gives me Empathy indication on
startup, you can mark this bug fix released.

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[Bug 783626] Re: after typing, still disabled search button

2011-07-24 Thread Pedro Bessa
This bug isn't incomplete any longer, because I gave you the
reproducible answer, the steps, the expected and actual behaviors on
2011-06-16, so mark it confirmed!

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[Bug 797924] Re: triplicate e-mails

2011-07-24 Thread Pedro Bessa
This bug isn't incomplete any longer, because I gave you the steps, the
expected and actual behaviors on 2011-06-24, so mark it confirmed!

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[Bug 783626] Re: after typing, still disabled search button

2011-07-04 Thread Pedro Bessa
Can you mark it complete now?

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[Bug 797924] Re: triplicate e-mails

2011-07-04 Thread Pedro Bessa
Can you mark it complete now?

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[Bug 797924] Re: triplicate e-mails

2011-06-24 Thread Pedro Bessa
1. gmail.com - wrench icon - Accounts and Import - Verify E-mail Using POP3
2. add your hotmail account's pop3 settings to gmail*
3. now, you receive hotmail e-mails in gmail.com
4. evolution - Edit - Preferences - E-mail Accounts
5. enable imap in your gmail account**
6. add your gmail account's imap settings to evolution**
7. now, you receive gmail and hotmail e-mails in Evolution
8. receive one hotmail e-mail
9. open evolution
10. it's triplicate e-mails, man

* http://techblissonline.com/hotmail-pop3-and-smtp-settings/
** (one page, two steps really) 
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=77695

expected behavior:
I mark one hotmail e-mail read once

actual behavior:
i have to mark it read in the Inbox folder, then again in the All E-mails 
folder and again in the yourusern...@hotmail.com folder, it's triplicate and 
tiring

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[Bug 783626] Re: after typing, still disabled search button

2011-06-16 Thread Pedro Bessa
Yes.

1. launch empathy
2. go Chat - Search for contacts...
3. in Account, select a gmail e-mail address
4. in the Search bar, type sometypedthing
expected: the Find button enables, so I can click it, so that I can see matches 
for sometypedthing
actual: the Find button remains disabled

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[Bug 797924] [NEW] triplicate e-mails

2011-06-15 Thread Pedro Bessa
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: evolution

I added hotmail and bol to gmail, so that I can read hotmail and bol
e-mails in gmail. I added gmail to evolution. My bol e-mail account
received one e-mail. I see that e-mail in Inbox, mark it read, I see
that e-mail in All E-mails, mark it read and I see that in my bol e-mail
address, mark it read. It's triplicate and tiring.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
Package: evolution 2.32.2-0ubuntu7
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2
Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686
Architecture: i386
Date: Wed Jun 15 18:06:24 2011
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Release i386 (20110427.1)
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=pt_BR:en
 LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: evolution
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-06-01 (14 days ago)

** Affects: evolution (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 natty unity-2d

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[Bug 797924] Re: triplicate e-mails

2011-06-15 Thread Pedro Bessa
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[Bug 795795] Re: In evolution's message preview pane the overlay scrollbar thumb does not appear on approach (only on hover)

2011-06-12 Thread Pedro Bessa
I mean then I mouse over the colorbar and finally the scrollbar
appears instead of then I mouse over the scrollbar and finally the
scrollbar appears.

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[Bug 783626] [NEW] after typing, still disabled search button

2011-05-16 Thread Pedro Bessa
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: empathy

I'm trying to add aardvark (http://www.vark.com/) to empathy, but when I
try to search for Aardvark in the gmail network, the search button is
disabled, so I click it and nothing happens.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
Package: empathy 2.34.0-0ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2
Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Architecture: i386
Date: Mon May 16 15:59:42 2011
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Release i386 (20110427.1)
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=pt_BR:en
 LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: empathy
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

** Affects: empathy (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 natty running-unity

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[Bug 783626] Re: after typing, still disabled search button

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[Bug 730050] [NEW] Gwibber has begin service on enter preference, Empathy doesn't

2011-03-06 Thread Pedro Bessa
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: empathy

Gwibber has indication as soon as Ubuntu loads (Edit - Preferences -
the first). Please, make Empathy have indication as soon as Ubuntu loads
too (Edit - Preferences - currently, nothing).

** Affects: empathy (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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