[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Ok, this is what I have proposed so far as a result of our conversation: * Add NafeesNastaleeq.ttf to the fonts-nafees package * Replace "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" with "Nafees Nastaleeq" in /etc/fonts/conf.avail/65-nonlatin.conf ** Patch added: "fontconfig_lp-1153188.diff" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-nafees/+bug/1153188/+attachment/3589430/+files/fontconfig_lp-1153188.diff ** Tags added: patch ** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => In Progress ** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) ** No longer affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
for keyboard layout the best option to compare things with is google urdu translitration, it is the most easiest keyboard layout. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
I support this statement, What if you replace "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" with "Nafees Nastaleeq"? the answer is yes. this font should display urdu text even if urdu package is not installed. There is some default font thats why we can see/read urdu at least. Udu Nastaliq Unicode is not well supported, where as Nafees Nastaleeq is made and supported by some well known institution of pakistan and is an organization. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
** Attachment added: "nafees2.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-nafees/+bug/1153188/+attachment/3586947/+files/nafees2.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
I don't know much about fonts either. ;-) Anyway, I did some research. "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" seems to be the name of a specific font: http://tabish.freeshell.org/u-font/ Unless that font is interesting, we know at least that "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" should be replaced in /etc/fonts/conf.avail/65-nonlatin.conf with something else. For me gnome-font-viewer finds both the Nafees fonts from the package in my PPA; it's just that it thinks that both are named "Nafees" only (see the nafees1.png attachment). If I click the one with the non-latin characters and then click "Info", I get a dialog that confirms that it's "Nafees Nastaleeq" (the nafees2.png attachment). ** Attachment added: "nafees1.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-nafees/+bug/1153188/+attachment/3586946/+files/nafees1.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
The name of the file in the downloaded zip file is "Nafees Nastaleeq v1.02.ttf". When preparing the package in my PPA I took the liberty of renaming the file to "NafeesNastaleeq.ttf", which seemed to be consistent with the names of other .ttf files. The zip file also contains a "Release Notes" document, and in the change log I read: Version number is removed from font name. The new name is “Nafees Nastaleeq” I suppose that you can edit /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf manually and study the result instantly. What if you replace "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" with "Nafees Nastaleeq"? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
I just tried to check the name in system, I have installed the new package from the ppa. I couldn't find a font with this name "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode", even using gnome-font-view for each font in both packages Nafees & PakType. I was thinking the its the name of the new included font NafeesNastaliq. Actually we were looking for NafeesNastaleeq.ttf , if fallback option available: NafeesWeb.ttf (Nafees Regular) will be good. (Please, Shabbir let us know if you would other way.) I am not familiar with fonts, but the new included font, NafeesNastaleeq.ttf file, does not have a name. As it seems in gnome-font-viewer. I couldn't find in the font list. Is it a problem in this font? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > Or do you mean that you would like to see two entries, like: > > Urdu Nastaliq Unicode > Nafees Regular > > thus making "Nafees Regular" a fallback alternative? > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > RTL, which is subscribed to the bug report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 > > Title: > Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout > > Status in “fontconfig” package in Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Ubuntu: > In Progress > Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu: > Incomplete > Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Debian: > New > > Bug description: > Default fonts in Ubuntu show ugly Urdu text. > > It's better that language-selector sets "Nafees Regular" (Nafees Web > in fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families > (SansSerif, Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. > > I would like to ask, if language-selector is able to set specific > keyboard layout for Urdu for 1st time? > > Please Shabbir: > Could you write here the best setting for Urdu Fonts (Using "Tweak > Tool": Scale Factor, Hinting, Anitaliasing, Size)? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Or do you mean that you would like to see two entries, like: Urdu Nastaliq Unicode Nafees Regular thus making "Nafees Regular" a fallback alternative? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
On 2013-03-20 14:21, عبدالله شلي (Abdellah Chelli) wrote: > On 2013-03-19 20:04, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: >> On 2013-03-10 11:34, عبدالله شلي (Abdellah Chelli) wrote: >>> It's better that language-selector sets "Nafees Regular" (Nafees Web in >>> fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, >>> Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. >> >> Do you mean that you would like that "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" in >> /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf is exchanged for "Nafees Regular"? > > Yeah, "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" would be the default. Hmm.. Now I'm really confused. Currently "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" is in /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf. Hence it is the default already, isn't it? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Hi, On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > > Do you mean that you would like that "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" in > /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf is exchanged for "Nafees Regular"? Yeah, "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" would be the default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
** Changed in: fonts-nafees (Debian) Status: Unknown => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #703456 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703456 ** Also affects: fonts-nafees (Debian) via http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703456 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Thanks for the additional info! I'm slowly getting the picture.. Please bear with a simple guy from Western Europe. ;-) As regards fonts, I have proposed that Nafees Nastaleeq is added to the fonts-nafees package. A fonts-nafees build with the change is available in my PPA at https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/misc Can you please install that version of fonts-nafees, and let us know if the proposed change is a step in the right direction. I see that fonts-nafees is automatically installed when the Urdu language is installed. I also see that /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf mentions "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" for serif and sans-serif. On 2013-03-10 11:34, عبدالله شلي (Abdellah Chelli) wrote: > It's better that language-selector sets "Nafees Regular" (Nafees Web in > fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, > Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. Do you mean that you would like that "Urdu Nastaliq Unicode" in /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf is exchanged for "Nafees Regular"? On 2013-03-12 14:15, Shabbir Ahmed wrote: > About the keyboard lay out there are many and we are talking about > the default, as to type in english you simply click into a text area > and start typing, where as in urdu you have to do some effort which a > common computer user is not aware of, so i think we have to simplify > things for him, if he clicks into a place to type in urdu he simply > selects the urdu and start typing the easiest way or the more easy he > can achieve his task. As far as I can tell, it is that easy already. If there are more than one keyboard layout activated for a user, e.g. "en" and "ur", s/he can select which one to use via the keyboard layout icon at the top bar. One aspect of "default" is the keyboard layout that is automatically suggested by the Ubuntu installer when Urdu is the selected language. Is that currently something else but "Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP)"? If so, would you like it to be changed to "Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP)"? I added a fonts-nafees task to this bug report and marked bug 1153549 as a duplicate of this one. Easier to have it all in the same report. ** Also affects: fonts-nafees (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: fonts-nafees (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: fonts-nafees (Ubuntu) Status: New => In Progress ** Changed in: fonts-nafees (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) ** No longer affects: language-selector (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/raring/fonts-nafees/nastaleeq ** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
These days I'm researching different fonts and keyboard layouts and talking to URDU experts, The current defacto standard considered is "InPage" http://www.inpage.com/Download.html. They make their own versions of fonts, like the version of nastaleeq that InPage makes is called "Noori Nastaleeq". The best of all public implementations so far i found is Nafees Nastaleeq I mentioned in my above reply. it has an issue in that the text clarity in different font sizes is not same(distorted text like if you type something in large size on a low resolution display), in few sizes the text displays is not that best clear "like it does if you copy from Inpage" to an image format and view them in a browser. the best till i found is Nafees Nastaleeq, which is at least supported. there are many other versions of Nastaleeq available but not well supported. the other good fonts available are Nafees Web etc. Thanks, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Actually another bug report had been submit (Bug #1153549 ) to add other Nafees fonts including Nastaleeq (Ubuntu, Debian has a package with only NafeesWeb font - fonts-nafees.). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
The official Font for urdu is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasta%CA%BFl%C4%ABq_script Nasta Liq, all the news papers universities text books school college materials all are printed in this font. here is the officially made font and checked by a famous calligrapher, http://www.crulp.org/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesNastaleeq.html The font could be downloaded from the same place, If you want i can personally go and meet them make a report and update you. Gunnar, About the keyboard lay out there are many and we are talking about the default, as to type in english you simply click into a text area and start typing, where as in urdu you have to do some effort which a common computer user is not aware of, so i think we have to simplify things for him, if he clicks into a place to type in urdu he simply selects the urdu and start typing the easiest way or the more easy he can achieve his task. This would be the http://www.crulp.org/software/localization/keyboards/CRULPphonetickbv1.1.html which already is in ubuntu named Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP), Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP) is phonetic keyboard layout and all the ppl who use special software to write urdu and then convert it into image format (most in-page is used) and the keyboard layout is called phonetic. kindly sujjest further. thank you, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Abdellah / Shabbir, Thanks for your help to improve Ubuntu by reporting these issues! The font configuration thing may well be a matter for the fontconfig package, so I add a fontconfig task. Keyboard layout settings are handled via the gnome-control-center package. In System Settings -> Keyboard Layout (Ubuntu 12.10) I find these Urdu options: Urdu (alternative phonetic) Urdu (Pakistan) Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP) Urdu (Pakistan, NLA) Urdu (phonetic) Urdu (WinKeys) Do you say that none of those options is sufficient for writing Urdu conveniently? ** Also affects: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
