[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
** Changed in: xorg-server (Ubuntu) Target: tribe-5 => ubuntu-7.10-beta -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
A possible solution to the bad DPI detection could be to have a simple way of allowing users to input it on install. This could be done by showing a ruler on the screen and asking users to expand/compress it until it matches up with the markings on a real ruler. (Windows has a similar method, and it works pretty well.) This would be pretty simple for users to understand, and would give an easy failsafe in case the DPI is incorrectly detected. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
(Correct me if I'm wrong here, but... this is why to the best of my understanding.) The reason for knowing the DPI hasn't been too important in the past, but could grow to become a bigger issue in the future. This is because although most current screens are approximately 96 DPI, there is room for improvement in the future in making denser screens for better detail. My 20" monitor has a resolution of 1680x1050; but what if someone has a 20" monitor that is 3360x2100? Everything would appear to be unusably "small" on this monitor, despite them being the same size. Using DPI properly and sizing based on actual distances, as opposed to via pixels, means that sizes would be standardized. What is an inch on my monitor would also be an inch on the other, just the other would look that much more detailed. This can be important in other ways too: ever try holding up a sheet of paper to your word document? If it doesn't line up quite right at 100% zoom your DPI setting is probably slightly off. As the DPI on monitors increases, this will become a bigger issue. In your example, the graphics on both screens would be the same size. The menu bar on each would be .25" on both, or what have you. The problem you seem to take with proper DPI settings seems to be caused by your viewing distance from the screen; an issue which DPI isn't meant to correct for. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Both are necessary, but the only thing we can scale right now is fonts so we should talk about this in a blueprint. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/resolution-independence -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Pardon my curiosity, but what is the significance of the OS knowing the PPI of the screen? Consider the following scenarios: Screen #1 is an independent monitor: a 19" LCD with native 1280x1024 resolution. The PPI is approx. 85. The user sits between 3 and 5 feet away from this screen. Screen #2 is a laptop panel: a 14.1" LCD with native 1280x800 resolution. The PPI is approx. 105. The user sits between 1 and 2 feet away from this screen. When the GUI scales everything by the DPI of the monitor, it will scale everything according to what the "real" size of the graphics should be. This means that Screen #1 will display more information on it than Screen #2, regardless of resolution. However, the smaller size of the graphics on Screen #1 causes the user to strain at his usual sitting distance from the monitor, while the relatively large graphics on Screen #2 suffocate him with their sheer size. I guess what I'm asking is, wouldn't it make more sense to have a GUI scaling tool that lets you resize all graphics (independent of resolution) rather than autosize everything according to the monitor's PPI? -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
We don't have resolution independence yet in GNOME. As such, the only thing that is affected by screen DPI are the fonts. Proportionality between text and other graphical elements, particularly icons, is of primary concern for most users. The only way that proportionality looks "right", is with 13 1/3 pixel text (10pt @ 96dpi) with 24 pixel menu icons. It is my opinion that we should just set the default DPI to 96 and revert the font sizes for now until: a) We have a more reliable way of setting/detecting actual screen DPI; and b) We actually have some level of resolution independence -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
What's this thing about guessing? When the live-cd boot screen appears you can select your screen size from there. How come the boot graphics aren't the same as the normal graphics? Can't X use a default dpi based on the screen size you selected at boot time? Of course there's some abstraction involved but I think this would lead xorg from betting the dpi a little more realistic. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Fwiw, bulletproof-x is just a failsafe mode for X, and wouldn't have any bearing on this issue. It sort of sounds like the issue here is that Gnome is guessing the correct dpi by looking at the refresh rates. Unfortunately, in most cases the refresh rates are themselves just guesses done by the xorg postinstall script when xresprobe fails to detect the card (which happens a lot). If this is indeed the case, then basing a guess on top of a guess is bound to lead to rather unpredictable failures. In talking with seb128 about this, it sounds like the best option for now is to go back to a hardcoded dpi setting. Assuming my hypothesis is correct, a couple workarounds to try would be to a) try running with no xorg.conf. b) try fixing the HorizSync and VertRefresh settings in the Monitor section of your xorg.conf (see your monitor for correct settings). No guarantees that this would fix things in all circumstances, but if they fix it in at least some, then that is added evidence that the core issue here is mis-detected refresh rates (which is bug 3731). -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection - Tribe 4 problem
I have a 40 inch 1920*1080 display attached (Approximately 55 dpi according to my calculations). Xorg.log says it detects a DPI value of 304, 304. I get *GIGANTIC* fonts and Icons and am unable to install gutsy tribe 4 or change anything because hardly nothing fits on my screen ! -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
It's about 11 1/2 inches horizontally and 8 1/2 inches vertically not including the border around the edges. It's a Dell Latitude D610 laptop. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
How big is your screen? (Physically) -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
I don't know if this is the same problem, but on the latest update, text pretty much everywhere got really small. I have a screenshot of the problem attached. ** Attachment added: "Text is too small" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8765904/texttoosmall.png -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
When X can pick any random DPI there's no right answer as to what the default font size should be. I recommend adopting the guidance-restore script which sets up a sane DPI. Install kde-guidance and restart the X server to test. It can easily be moved to guidance-backends. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Not sure if bug #107320 (that itself have duplicates) is related and or duplicate of this one. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
** Tags added: metabug -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
** Changed in: xorg-server (Ubuntu) Target: tribe-4 => tribe-5 -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Mike: it's gnome-font-properties. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
What is the name of the control panel app that lets you change font sizes? I have a non-standard Ubuntu install, so I need to know the name of the app to launch it from the command line. Thanks. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
** Changed in: xorg-server (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Hello Andreas Presumably your fonts scaled to 75dpi but displayed on your 96dpi screen. They were therefore not displayed as an 11pt font but instead displayed as an 8.5pt font. Now the dpi is presumably detected correctly, it is displayed, as set, at 11pt. As you rightly say, there is a matter of taste how big you would like to see your fonts on screen. But having the system set up so that it does not "know" the resolution of your screen is not a good way to achieve the desired result. Putting it another way, if your screen were really 75dpi, you would probably again find the fonts too big. Once screen dpi is correctly detected and set on the majority of systems, if users find the fonts are then too big, bugs can be filed against Gnome/KDE for more appropriate default font sizes. In the meantime, you can adjust your menu font sizes to your preferred size in the control panel. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
I would like to point out that this issue touches on personal taste. I liked the "small" menu font size in Tribe 2 whereas I do not like the 11pt at 96dpi setting I suddenly had after today's updates. Please reconsider imposing that on all users without asking. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
** Changed in: xorg-server (Ubuntu) Target: tribe-3 => tribe-4 -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Firefox was removed from this issue because firefox isnt causing this problem it is affected by it. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
I noticed in this discussion that firefox is removed from this issue, however "Bug #121738 in firefox (Ubuntu)" is makred a duplicate of this and it shows a difference between firefox menu font (not its contents) with the gnome menus. I have that same problem that the firefox menu font is too small, see attachment. No matter which DPI I choose (in system->Pref->Appearance->Font->detail) it won't influence font sizes in my situation: I have a beamer connected and I want larger than default as I'm watching it from several metres away. So I prefer the system font at 14pts, but as firefox shows fonts too small I need to set it up to 18pts. So don't forget that there are also users with beamers using Ubuntu. ** Attachment added: "screenshot_fonts.png" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8485163/screenshot_fonts.png -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Hello Patrice How did you sett he DPI for your system? For my 17" TFT monitor, I set screen size and hence DPI in xorg.conf like: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" Option "DPMS" HorizSync 30-65 VertRefresh 50-75 DisplaySize 340 270 EndSection However, Bryce Harrington has been making excellent progress with bullet proof X, which should autodetect all relevant settings, which could ultimately eliminate the need for xorg.conf on most machines. I installed Ubuntu Gutsy T2 on a 2.5" hard drive, deleted xorg.conf then swapped it between 8 very different laptops. On all systems, I had a screen which was potentially usable to at least install the system and manually configure the resolution etc (once the front end will accommodate higher than fall-back settings in fall-back situations). I have logged info from these laptops including lspci -v, xorg.0.log, /proc/bus, dmesg, lsmod. If anyone knows how this information can best be used, please let me know! -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Hi i confirm this problem on a fresh install of tribe 2. Fonts are too small. following Nick_Hill post, i set dpi to 85 and all is ok now. Tell me if you need more specific informations. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Well, at least in my case the correct DPI seems to have been detected in Tribe 2. However, 11 pt system font is too big at my actual system DPI - though 10 pt (the original setting) is perfectly fine. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
As an update to my suggestion to have the DPI settable in a Gnome interface, I suggest replacing the DPI drop-down box that I previously suggested, with a screen size drop-down box. And add two fields for width and height. If anything other than user defined is selected, the width and height boxes are greyed/inactive and display the current auto-detected width and height, or the width and height associated with the option manually selected. If "User Defined" is selected, the width and height boxes are black, activated and editable. User can change those values to any sensible value. I'd suggest AutoDetect 12" 14" 14" widescreen 15" 15" widescreen 17" 17" widescreen 19" 19" widescreen User Defined How do we handle situations where the user has not selected either a resolution or screen size, and no detection information is available? Normally, we would want to assume the user is using the most common screen size of the day which is 17”. We need to consider whether this would work when a user is trying to install a system using a 'fall-back' resolution such as 640x480 or 800x600 whether or not screen size info is available. We are faced with several competing factors: 1)Will the font sizes be readable with default settings? 2)Will the system be installable with default settings? 3)Will the screen be set to the “correct” size? I suggest that when we are set to a fall-back resolution, 3 doesn't matter. Readability and installability are the prime factors. The user can set his or her preferences later, once installed. We also need to ensure the ubiquity installer is usable with fall-back resolutions, at least, 800x600. I therefore suggest that if the screen resolution detected via DDC is 800x600 or less, we should ignore the screen size reported by DDC if less than 14” and assume 14”. (We don't want high DPI values at 800x600 resolution as this will often lead to the ubiquity application window growing too large for the screen, and other applications growing ungainly). I have made a flowchart which demonstrates logical steps to end up with a resolution, refresh rate and screen size from xorg.conf, gnome settings and DDC as outlined above. ** Attachment added: "screen_res_flowchart.png" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8329646/screen_res_flowchart.png -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Rejecting firefox task as it is not a firefox issue. ** Changed in: firefox (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
I have a switch box. The switch box doesn't appear to send DDC signals through, whether or not the monitor is live when X starts. If I start X with the monitor connected directly to the computer, X sets DPI at 95, 96 . If the monitor is not connected, it sets the DPI at 75. At 75dpi, the fonts are usually intolerably small. The most common screen resolutions/sizes tend to be (appx) : Diagonal Width Height ResolutionWxH DPI 14.1" 11.28 8.46 1024X768 90.5 90.5 15" 12 9 1024x768 85 85 17" 13.25 10.65 1280x1024 97 96 19" 14.8 11.85 1280x1024 86 86 The most common resolution today is probably 17" 1280x1024. for desktops, and something close to 14.1" 1024x768 for laptops. The weighted average is probably around 92dpi. We must assume that it is not always possible to determine the monitor's characteristics - any of them. Screen size, H/V sync, max resolution, DPI. Where no information is available, we need to set sensible defaults so that the user can at least get something on screen to make initial changes.. If the user has not set preferences (ie all fields are on autodetect in the attached example) and we have no DDC information whatsoever, AND no settings have been put in xorg.conf, then 800x600,60Hz75dpi is a sensible default. However, if a resolution has been set and a DPI has not been set, I suggest we have an automatic DPI mapping based on the highest resolution axis as follows: <700 56dpi(eg 640x480) <950 75dpi(eg 800x600) <1200 85dpi(eg 1024x768) <1400 95dpi(eg 1280x1024) >1400 100dpi.(eg 1440x1024) Whenever display settings changes are made within Gnome, I suggest we also store the mtime for file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. If xorg.conf exists, and the time stamp differs, then all settings in Gnome should be re-set to Autodetect / default. Otherwise, Gnome settings should take precedence. This way, if the user does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, the settings will take precedence. If the user then logs into Gnome then changes settings, they then take precedence. So we have an order of precedence for each parameter Res, Freq, DPI: Resoution 1) The most recently changed of Gnome or xorg.conf 2) DDC 3) 800x600 Frequency (refresh rate) 1) The most recently changed of Gnome or xorg.conf 2) DDC 3) 60Hz DPI: 1) The setting in Gnome 2) DDC 3) <700 56dpi(eg 640x480) <950 75dpi(eg 800x600) <1200 85dpi(eg 1024x768) <1400 95dpi(eg 1280x1024) >1400 100dpi.(eg 1440x1024) ** Attachment added: "Image of example resolution/DPI/Frequency box" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8281386/resolutionexample.png -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
In my experience, changing the DPI does have an effect . However, what I'm finding is that even with the *correct* DPI values, the fonts can be way too big. In my case, using the correct value (112 dpi) causes my MacBook to have fonts that are intolerably large. 96 dpi, on the other hand, results in fonts that are of a more reasonable size. I have a separate bug open to this effect - though some systems are certainly detecting the wrong DPI, I'm finding the fonts are bad even with the *right* DPI! -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
Hi, Mark Shuttleworth [2007-06-28 17:33 -]: > - since gutsy, font sizes are too small. > + In Gutsy, Gnome switched to using the X server's screen DPI detection, > + which means that fonts can easily appear to be too large or too small, > + depending on your screen setup. The old approach was to use 96 DPI by > + default, but the new one can result in widely differing DPI values. We > + need to improve the detection, or give people an easy way to tweak these > + values so that the result looks good on their system. I agree. At the moment, changing the DPI value in the Appearance dialog doesn't have any effect at least on my installed system. -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 118745] Re: Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection
** Summary changed: - default desktop/panel menu font sizes too small + Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection ** Description changed: - since gutsy, font sizes are too small. + In Gutsy, Gnome switched to using the X server's screen DPI detection, + which means that fonts can easily appear to be too large or too small, + depending on your screen setup. The old approach was to use 96 DPI by + default, but the new one can result in widely differing DPI values. We + need to improve the detection, or give people an easy way to tweak these + values so that the result looks good on their system. Jun 01 14:06:38 pitti: in case fonts turn to be too small (which happened to several people after upgrade) you might want to modify libgnome schemas to change Sans 10 to 11 Jun 01 14:07:02 seb128: do we have a bug about it? Jun 01 14:07:06 just edit debian/libgnome2-common.gconf-defaults Jun 01 14:07:29 pitti: I think so, let me look Jun 01 14:08:21 seb128: if that affects everyone, we should milestone it Jun 01 14:08:33 well, not easy to know Jun 01 14:08:49 well, but that only affects upgrades anyway, right? Jun 01 14:08:50 gnome-settings-daemon uses the screen DPI now Jun 01 14:09:12 if it affects fresh installs, too, then we should do something about it Jun 01 14:09:15 but I'm not sure if that means we should change the default or if the fonts are only too small when xorg is not correctly configured or something Jun 01 14:09:28 ok, let's look into that during CD testing Jun 01 14:10:15 right, that was my point Jun 01 14:10:39 if that happens on desktop CD and you want to workaround it just modify libgnome debian/libgnome2-common.gconf-defaults to change the default deskto p font -- Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118745 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
