Re: [Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Iain Lane
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:41:55PM -, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
 I'm going to try that update tomorrow, what's the recommended source
 (ppa or vcs with custom build)? I can comment then, on whether I hit
 issues with it or not

I noticed that the sleep-display-battery gsettings key is gone with 3.8.
ubuntu-system-settings started setting it. It'll have to be adjusted.  I
think the interface is now to set both
org.gnome.desktop.session.idle-delay and
org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power.sleep-display-{ac,battery}.

Otherwise, ACK conditional on Seb not finding any big issues in the next
two days (let's say by 2000 UTC Tuesday 10th). If it slips much further
than that then it'll be too close to release for me to be comfortable
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Re: [Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Tim
On 09/09/13 19:03, Iain Lane wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:41:55PM -, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
 I'm going to try that update tomorrow, what's the recommended source
 (ppa or vcs with custom build)? I can comment then, on whether I hit
 issues with it or not
 I noticed that the sleep-display-battery gsettings key is gone with 3.8.
 ubuntu-system-settings started setting it. It'll have to be adjusted.  I
 think the interface is now to set both
 org.gnome.desktop.session.idle-delay and
 org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power.sleep-display-{ac,battery}.
It is now just

org.gnome.desktop.session.idle-delay

These 2 sleep-display keys have been removed.

org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power.sleep-display-{ac,battery}.


 Otherwise, ACK conditional on Seb not finding any big issues in the next
 two days (let's say by 2000 UTC Tuesday 10th). If it slips much further
 than that then it'll be too close to release for me to be comfortable
 any more.


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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Testing that update, it seems mostly fine so far, I found a bug though:
on a laptop, unplugged, configured to not suspend on lid close... close
the lid used to lock the screen, it doesn't anymore with the update

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Jeremy, seems you already uploaded ... what about the bug previously
mentioned? That's a security issue and seems like it should have been
investigated before upload :/

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/saucy-proposed/gnome-settings-daemon

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-settings-daemon - 3.8.5-0ubuntu1

---
gnome-settings-daemon (3.8.5-0ubuntu1) saucy; urgency=low

  [ Tim Lunn ]
  * Refreshed patches
  * debian/patches:
- fix_media_keys_on_unity.patch:
  Use legacy media keys keygrabber when running Unity
- git_revert_remove_automount_helper.patch: bring back the automount
  helper, revert upstream commit and port to dbus session tracking.
- fix_screenshots_on_unity.patch: bring back support for screenshots
  via gnome-screenshot when using unity.
- ubuntu-lid-close-suspend.patch:
   Reimplement support for setting lid close suspend actions
- ubuntu-fix-desktop-file.patch: Autostart in Unity too
- fix_input_switching_on_unity.patch: Bring back support for input
  switching under Unity
- 63_gnome_disable_background_plugin.patch: Disable loading
  of background plugin for GNOME session (LP: #1219148)

  * Dropped obsolete patches:
- power-check-null-devices.patch, Dropped: Applied in new version
- 51_lock_screen_on_suspend.patch, Superseded by handling this key
  in gnome-screensaver. With that, g-screensaver mirrors what's
  done in g-shell, and avoids patching settings-daemon.
  * gnome-settings-daemon.gsettings-override:
- Update switch input source keys for 3.8

  [ Jeremy Bicha ]
  * New upstream release (LP: #1219486)
- Two-finger scrolling enabled by default (LP: #1217166)
- But use edge scrolling if two-finger scrolling isn't
  available (LP: #1221367)
- Fix Super+Space switch-input-source shortcut in Unity (LP: #1201679)
  * debian/control.in:
- Bump minimum glib, gsettings-desktop-schemas, gnome-desktop3, gtk,
  libpulse, and libwacom
- Build-depend on librsvg2-dev
- This update needs changes to gnome-control-center so break older
  versions
  * Refreshed patches
  * revert_background_dropping.patch:
- Don't drop the background plugin yet, GNOME Fallback  Unity
  still need it (when Nautilus isn't handling the desktop)
  * Dropped obsolete patches:
- bugzilla_segfault_dpms.patch: Applied in new version
- 47_delay_pa_connect_to_idle.patch: Applied in new version
- power-no-fallback-notifications.patch: Applied in new version
- 60_unity_hide_status_icon.patch
- 61_unity_use_application_indicator.patch
- 63_unity_start_mounter.patch
- logind_support.patch
- and patches backported from 3.8
  * Disabled patch that need to be rewritten or dropped:
- 48_register_client_before_idle_callbacks.patch
  * debian/patches/touchscreen_rotation.patch:
- Updated with latest version from bugzilla
  * debian/patches/git_revert_hardcoded_input_methods.patch:
- Add patch from git (and also applied in Fedora 19) to not hardcode
  input methods based on the current locale

  [ Rico Tzschichholz ]
  * debian/patches:
- 16_use_synchronous_notifications.patch: Refreshed
 -- Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com   Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:21:09 -0400

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-09 Thread Tim
this patch will make sure we lock the screen when the lid is closed if
we are not suspending.

** Patch added: gsd-lock-fix.debdiff
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1219486/+attachment/3812138/+files/gsd-lock-fix.debdiff

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-08 Thread Jeremy Bicha
No need to build from source now as Tim's PPA has been updated again.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-05 Thread Jeremy Bicha
There aren't any known issues with the gnome-settings-daemon update.

I just filed bug 1221350 with a rough list of what still needs to be
done for gnome-control-center 3.8.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-05 Thread Sebastien Bacher
I'm going to try that update tomorrow, what's the recommended source
(ppa or vcs with custom build)? I can comment then, on whether I hit
issues with it or not

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-05 Thread Jeremy Bicha
I recommend you use https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/gsd38 for
gnome-control-center and build gnome-settings-daemon from
https://code.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu
since Tim's PPA doesn't have the latest changes.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-04 Thread Iain Lane
Do you have a list of the remaining trivial Unity issues? I'm sorry
nobody has helped you out on this yet; it's not for lack of caring but
you'll understand that we have been a bit focused on touch stuff this
cycle, and additionally it's always hard (even for us) to get people to
look at issues that /are going/ to happen in the future when they aren't
a problem now.

If you have such a list I can try and ask Unity guys to take a look.

I'm minded to accept this FFe (after going over the issues you've
noticed) given that you have undertaken to care for any issues that pop
up.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-03 Thread Sebastien Bacher
 ubuntu-settings also needs an update for idle-dim-time.

what idle-dime-time? was there a key change there? is there any
migration/did anyone grep the archive for other clients of the old key?

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Re: [Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-03 Thread Iain Lane
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 09:58:45AM -, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
  ubuntu-settings also needs an update for idle-dim-time.
 
 what idle-dime-time? was there a key change there? is there any
 migration/did anyone grep the archive for other clients of the old key?

http://162.213.35.4/search?weighted=1q=idle-dim-time

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-03 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks Laney! Is the old configuration value migrated in some way?

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-03 Thread Tim
'idle-dim-time' has not been user configurable for a long time (atleast
back to 3.4).

it was 'idle-dim-battery' that became 'idle-dim' that was exposed in
g-c-c.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks, I'm not part of the release team but I've some questions:

- what's the rational for updating (why do we need to update this cycle)

- how much testing did you do on compiz/unity?


The fact that some keys got dropped from the schemas and that 
gnome-control-center needs to be updated as well suggest that the update is non 
trivial and has potential to create issues, I would vote for those changes to 
happen next cycle if there is not a really strong reason we need it this cycle 
(and I didn't see one so far)

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
1. GNOME 3.8 has only been tested with gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 and there's no 
guarantee that things work correctly when we mix and match pieces.
2. Since we did the gsettings-desktop-schemas update, there are gsettings keys 
that won't actually do anything without the updated gnome-settings-daemon 
backend. Even without doing the gnome-control-center 3.8 update, it would be 
nice for GNOME users to be able to tweak some of the new settings in 
dconf-editor at least.
3. We need to update this cycle because we need to fix bug 1201679 which is a 
High priority regression in Unity (GNOME was unaffected).
4. There are numerous other fixes and improvements if you read through the NEWS 
file. The update isn't just GNOME dropping Fallback support and we've patched 
back in the fallback pieces that Unity currently needs.
5. Tim did a lot of work on this update with the assumption that it could make 
it into Saucy. We were delayed several weeks by indicator-keyboard taking 
longer to land than expected. I tried to help indicator-keyboard along as well 
as I could and complained that the longer the delay, the more difficult it 
would be to land gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 by Feature Freeze.

There was one final regression that Tim fixed over the weekend. Ubuntu
GNOME shouldn't be penalized for taking care not to cause regressions
and waiting for Unity work.

I've been running Unity all weekend to make sure that the update didn't
cause any new problems. Many people have installed the GNOME3 Staging
PPA; some of those people use Unity.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
 1. GNOME 3.8 has only been tested with gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 and
there's no guarantee that things work correctly when we mix and match
pieces.

the pieces that are the most matched are gnome-settings-daemon and
gnome-control-center, which are both in sync on 3.6 at the moment. Does
that mean you plan to FFe gnome-control-center as well (saying the
number of changes in g-c-c 3.8 I doubt it's a good idea to do that at
the end of the cycle)

 2. Since we did the gsettings-desktop-schemas update, there are
gsettings keys that won't actually do anything without the updated
gnome-settings-daemon backend.

Do we have those exposed to users anywhere or is that a dconf editor
issue? We might also want to just drop those keys from the schemas if
you think that really confuses users

 3. We need to update this cycle because we need to fix bug 1201679
which is a High priority regression in Unity (GNOME was unaffected).

Seems like that should be a one commit to backport if we need that fixes

 4. There are numerous other fixes and improvements if you read through
the NEWS file. The update isn't just GNOME dropping Fallback support and
we've patched back in the fallback pieces that Unity currently needs.

Right, there are lot of changes in there, which makes me cautious,
gnome-settings-daemon has little automated testing and it's a somewhat
fragile component.


 5. Tim did a lot of work on this update with the assumption that it could 
 make it into Saucy. We were delayed several weeks by 
 indicator-keyboard taking longer to land than expected. I tried to help 
 indicator-keyboard along as well as I could and 
 complained that the longer the delay, the more difficult it would be to land 
 gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 by Feature Freeze.

Right, thanks Tim for the work! The work is not wasted in any case, even
if that only lands next cycle. Things being less trivial than expected
is not a real reason to grant a FFe though, as you pointed we still have
fallout from 3.6 ibus migration we didn't sort out, it seems like what
we need is extra work on stabilization rather than changing that much
late in the cycle

 There was one final regression that Tim fixed over the weekend. Ubuntu GNOME 
 shouldn't be penalized for taking care not to 
 cause regressions and waiting for Unity work.

It's not a matter to be penalized, what is the direct impact at the
moment on Ubuntu GNOME (out of not having the latests upstream version)?
The argument can go the other way around, Ubuntu GNOME wanted to be on
the current version is not a reason to create instability from
Unity/Ubuntu...

 I've been running Unity all weekend to make sure that the update didn't cause 
 any new problems. Many people have installed
 the GNOME3 Staging PPA; some of those people use Unity.

That's good to know!


To summarize my opinion: from the past record I would be careful to update 
gnome-settings-daemon that late in the cycle, that's a component that drives 
many settings in the desktop and which is not easy to test. 

Having gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-control-center out of sync is
something we avoided so far, because it has extra potential to create
issue, and I'm still unsure that's something we should try...

Anyway, I'm going to let the release team review the request. I've a
small request, if the ffe is approved it should be under the condition
that those doing the update are going to deal with the bugs and
regressions it's going to create (not like previous cycle with nautilus)

Thanks

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
 Does that mean you plan to FFe gnome-control-center as well (saying
the number of changes in g-c-c 3.8 I doubt it's a good idea to do that
at the end of the cycle)

gnome-control-center 3.8 is about 90-95% ready and has quite a few
improvements Ubuntu GNOME really wants. But there's too much work to be
done to land now with zero regressions. We could really use Canonical
help for the remaining work but obviously you guys have other pressing
requirements this week. So no, I don't plan to file a FFe for gnome-
control-center 3.8 for 13.10.

On the other hand, we've talked for a long time about possibly forking
gnome-control-center so that there's both a mostly vanilla gnome-
control-center and a Ubuntu tweaked version in the repositories (but it
won't be possible for both to be simultaneously installed). gnome-
control-center is in good enough shape for GNOME — it's just the Unity
integration that needs more work — so we might still do a FFe for that
proposal if we agree that the benefits outweigh the negatives.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-02 Thread Tim
Running gnome-shell 3.8 on gnome-settings-daemon 3.6 is likely to be
very buggy and unstable. Although admittedly it hasn’t had a huge amount
of testing since the assumption was that we would get g-s-d 3.8 into
saucy.

For the 3.8 cycle many features were moved out of gnome-settings-daemon
and into other components such as mutter and gnome-shell. Most of these
however require code changes in g-s-d to use the new components. Other
than this there were not really many new features added to g-s-d and it
is largely just a big bug fix release.

- OSD Popups are now drawn by gnome-shell so that they match the shell UI. 
- Keygrabber was moved into gnome-shell, since there were lots of issues with 
media_keys keybindings not working in certain parts of gnome-shell
- Background plugin was moved into mutter
- Screenshots are handled by gnome-shell.
- Power support is pretty much broken when using g-s-d 3.6

All of these were moved to overcome technical limitations making it hard
or impossible to fix key bugs. In most cases by sticking with 3.6 we do
not get to take advantage of these new components and we are left using
the old unmaintained and buggy implementations.

In addition there are lots of bug fixes for things like power plugin,
notifications etc.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-02 Thread Tim
As for mixing g-s-d 3.8 with g-c-c 3.6, apart from a few moved gsettings
keys there are no major issues.

A lot of work went into improving a number of the upstream panels
(particularly network, power and region panels), and there a number of
new panels (notifications, privacy etc). However these changes are more
or less contained to g-c-c and don't introduce incompatibilities for
g-s-d.

Clearly Ubuntu GNOME really wants g-c-c 3.8  for these improvements. The
remaining Unity issues are all mostly trivial, however have basically
been blocked waiting on input from the desktop team. As far as I know no
one even bothered to look at this, even when I was working on these
issues very early in the Saucy cycle.

Nearly all the work I did on g-s-d was to fix Unity Integration. g-c-c
was split more evenly between general ubuntu integration and unity
integration. Obviously if regressions pop up, I will get them sorted.

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-01 Thread Jeremy Bicha
** Description changed:

  https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/gnome-settings-
  daemon/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/changelog
  
  https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/NEWS?h=gnome-3-8
  
  Call for testing: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
  desktop/2013-August/004296.html
  
  The Ubuntu GNOME team has been testing gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 with
  packages available in the GNOME3 Staging PPA (for 13.04 users) since the
  Saucy cycle opened. We didn't get the upload in by Feature Freeze
  because we were waiting for indicator-keyboard to land in Saucy to make
  sure that this upload didn't cause any regressions with the input method
  support. There are no known remaining regressions with this upload.
+ 
+ I can no longer reproduce bug 1201679 with this build.
  
  gnome-control-center also needs updating (for moved gsettings keys and
  similar) and gnome-shell needs a patch to be dropped. I am ready to
  upload all three of these packages now.
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 13.10
  Package: gnome-settings-daemon 3.6.4-0ubuntu19
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.11.0-4.9-generic 3.11.0-rc7
  Uname: Linux 3.11.0-4-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.12.1-0ubuntu3
  Architecture: amd64
  Date: Sun Sep  1 11:29:05 2013
  MarkForUpload: True
  SourcePackage: gnome-settings-daemon
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-01 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~gnome3-team/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu

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[Bug 1219486] Re: FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4

2013-09-01 Thread Jeremy Bicha
** Description changed:

  https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/gnome-settings-
  daemon/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/changelog
  
  https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/NEWS?h=gnome-3-8
  
  Call for testing: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
  desktop/2013-August/004296.html
  
  The Ubuntu GNOME team has been testing gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 with
  packages available in the GNOME3 Staging PPA (for 13.04 users) since the
  Saucy cycle opened. We didn't get the upload in by Feature Freeze
  because we were waiting for indicator-keyboard to land in Saucy to make
  sure that this upload didn't cause any regressions with the input method
  support. There are no known remaining regressions with this upload.
  
  I can no longer reproduce bug 1201679 with this build.
  
+ This update is also a prerequisite for updating gnome-disk-utility to
+ 3.8 (bug 1092719).
+ 
  gnome-control-center also needs updating (for moved gsettings keys and
  similar) and gnome-shell needs a patch to be dropped. I am ready to
  upload all three of these packages now.
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 13.10
  Package: gnome-settings-daemon 3.6.4-0ubuntu19
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.11.0-4.9-generic 3.11.0-rc7
  Uname: Linux 3.11.0-4-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.12.1-0ubuntu3
  Architecture: amd64
  Date: Sun Sep  1 11:29:05 2013
  MarkForUpload: True
  SourcePackage: gnome-settings-daemon
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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