[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

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** Changed in: file-roller
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[-z-]

Yay, drop and drop out of archives to list view is fixed in Ubuntu
Juanty 9.04!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[-z-]

Sure, you can drag and drop to list view in Thunar but it's simply too
lightweight for everyday use and I'd rather not open Thunar every time
I'd like to drag and drop out of a zip.  Switching to icon view is a
time-waster and general annoyance.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Murat Güneş]

** Visibility changed to: Public

** This bug is no longer flagged as a security vulnerability

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[giovanidrum]

** Visibility changed to: Private

** This bug has been flagged as a security vulnerability

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Alois Hammer]

[Jaunty] This is not working in listview mode for me, either.  No DnD at
all-- the "document" icon being dragged zips back to File Roller and
nothing happens.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[falstaff]

Drag and Drop with Nautilus ListView doesnt work for me too! Would be
nice if this bug gets fixed in Jaunty...

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Daniel Pirch]

Drag and drop to Nautilus list view still doesn't work in Intrepid.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[nyékhelyi gábor]

DnD to Nautilus listview still needs to be implemented. (I hope it'll be
ready for Hardy)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ivan Ivanoff]

So what the error we have in file-roller? Maybe is it better to set
something in some config? My system even hangs when I try to carry a
file or a folder from archive to my desktop using DnD (intel915G, Ubuntu
7.10).

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Nicolò Chieffo]

** Changed in: nautilus
   Importance: Unknown => Undecided
 Bugwatch: GNOME Bug Tracker #171655 => None
   Status: Confirmed => New

** Changed in: nautilus
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

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** Changed in: fileroller
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Robvdl]

I can confirm that it works now, sorry, my bad.

Last time I tried it must have been Gutsy RC instead of final, that's
the only explanation I can think of why it didn't work for me before.

I did:

sudo nautilus
double click on a .tar.gz (a gtk theme to be exact)
drag into a folder only root can write to (/usr/share/themes)

Works no problem now.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

this is strange, because I'm able to do it:

1. sudo nautilus
2. double-click on an archive from the "root" nautilus window
3. drag some file from file-roller to the nautilus "root" window ... Works
4. drag some file to a "normal" nautilus window... Works

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Robvdl]

I've had no major problems with dnd in fileroller and Gutsy, seems to
work fine for me... except on root nautilus windows.

what I mean, if I was to type in a terminal "sudo nautilus", browse to a
folder where a .tar.gz file is located, double click on it (which
theoretically should open file-roller as root as well). Then I cannot
drag and drop from that instance of file roller to the root nautilus
window.

For now I am still able to type "sudo file-roller filename.tar.gz" and
hit the "extract" button as a workaround.

Other than that, drag and drop works no problem when running as the
standard user.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ivan Ivanoff]

I confirm this bug in Gutsy! I can not take files and drop them in
folder. DnD does not work.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

I've already done it :)

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-
list/2007-September/msg00037.html

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

The patch should probably be sent on the nautilus mailing list, the
maintainers don't cope with the bugzilla activity and use the list for
patches reviews

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

There already exist a patch for listview
(http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=95584), but it has not yet
been included.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

The file-roller issue have been fixed, there might still be a bug with
the nautlus listview code though

** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[k0001]

after all these years, it's working perfectly for me =), since final
gnome 2.20

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

it has not been applied upstream neither

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Will Farrington]

You are correct - the XDS treeview patch (also in Bugzilla) has not been
applied to these packages. =(

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Achim]

Sorry that I have to say that, but Drag+Drop doesn't work with listview
in nautilus.

Maybe someone can confirm this.

So it seems that the XDS treeview patch is not applied to latest
nautilus.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Robert Hrovat]

Finaly! DnD works! Thanks guys :-)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

nautilus (1:2.20.0-0ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low

  * New upstream version:
- Load thumbnails asynchronously (LP: #26198)
- Support direct save DnD (XDS) (LP: #13199)
- Fix up octal permission display
- Store window keep-above and stickines state across sessions

 -- Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:29:55
+0200

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Will Farrington]

Gutsy users can test packages here:

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/wcfarrington/ubuntu/ gutsy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/wcfarrington/ubuntu/ gutsy main

These are the exact same as what's in main now, but with the XDN patch
and the related XDS treeview patch (to make listview work with
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Re: [Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bruce Cowan]

On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 17:37 +, Bruce Cowan wrote:
> I may soon provide packages at https://launchpad.net/~bruce89/+archive
> 
In fact, not until LP allows non-beta team members to have PPAs.
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bruce Cowan]

I may soon provide packages at https://launchpad.net/~bruce89/+archive

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen]

Are there binary packages that we can try out? Like a PPA archive?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

I've added another patch to fix dnd also for the list/tree view

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171655#c46

testers are welcome

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Murat Güneş]

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Confirmed

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[amano]

Just to clarify: Up until now the fix has been only committed to the
Nautilus trunk.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Murat Güneş]

** Changed in: nautilus (Baltix)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Murat Güneş]

Setting "Fix Committed".

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171655#c44

> Comment #44 from Alexander Larsson (nautilus developer, points: 21)
> 2007-09-10 10:47 UTC [reply]

> I've commited XDS support losely based on Amos patch.
> However, it doesn't yet support dnd to the list view.


** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed

** Also affects: nautilus (Baltix)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: New => Fix Committed

** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Confirmed

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Robbert]

The problem that dnd to a nfs mount doesn't work have to do with the
following issue: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475296 and
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/138486

Because file-roller threats nfs mounts as remote and shouldn't do that
because nfs mounts are transparent. I have attached the patch for that
issue.

** Attachment added: "file-roller-url_is_local.patch"
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Michael]

I have tested nautilus + file-roller patch with file-roller version 2.19.92.
Dnd to smb or ssh share does _not_ work! I can drag a file from file-roller to 
this share (I don't get an error msg), but the file isn't "unzipped".

Before applying file-roller patch (only nautilus patch), I got an error/warning 
that extraction to this share (smb or ssh) is not possible.
I still think that this nautilus patch should be integrated in gutsy! But the 
file-roller patch should be reworked to solve the mentioned problems! Otherwise 
someoune could be irritated, because dnd doesn't work like it should (and no 
error/warning occurs)!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[m0eman]

I tested the patch as well, works great.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[mangar]

+1 for applying the patch by default. since gutsy is a test release, no harm 
will be done if harm will be done..
In the worst case, remove the patch before final release.

pretty please, with QA on top?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Robbert]

I just tested Amos his patch and it seems to work for nfs mounts. But at
a remote ssh folder it doesn't seem to work, just nothing happens when
dragging the file into it. Using the extract button in file-roller works
fine for the way that matters.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

About the "Cannot extract archives in a remote folder "" on
drag and drop...

I've looked at the code and, to me, it seems that developers have forgotten to 
remove a test that prevented extraction to a remote folder in 
the previous versions, when this was not possible. As now they added support 
for remote extraction via gnome-vfs ***, I don't think the error message is 
necessary.

so... I've attached a patch against file-roller 2.19.91 (it just deletes
the "if" condition for non local uris in the dnd extraction)

I don't have much time now, please test it :)


*** see http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNineteen/ReleaseNotes , "Uses gnome-vfs 
to load and save remote archives, as well as to add remote files to an archive 
and to extract to remote locations. USED."

** Attachment added: "file-roller 2.19.91 patch (remove error on extract to 
remote location by dnd)"
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen]

Inclusion in Gutsy would be nice, when there are no regressions.
Reading the above comments, it doesn't seem there any regressions. It went from 
not-working to not-working for remote directories. That's an improvement in my 
book.

Now, where do we send the flowers?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Conn]

Sebastien,

Yes, it's not a good idea to install random debs (although it's nice to
know this patch works).

Users can see and downgrade packages through Synaptic's status filters
or use "sudo apt-get install nautilus/gutsy" in this case. I hope this
patch can make it into Gutsy in time, if everything is ok with it.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Robbert]

I build nautilus (2.19.91 on Gutsy x86_64) with the patch and it seems
to work. Dragging files from file-roller to my desktop works like a
charm, also to other nautilus windows.

But it doesn't work while dragging them to a nfs mount or an other
remote location (for example ssh). It says "Cannot extract archives in a
remote folder "". But i can extract them to a remote
location with the extract button in file-roller.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

you should not install random deb from forums that's likely to break
your next upgrades

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Achim]

** Attachment added: "littel demo video to show how well it works."
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9197084/dnd.ogg

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[Achim]

I have also tested this patch and it works really nice.

So please let this patch find its way into gutsy.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Michael]

I have also testet patched nautilus deb
(http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3335858&postcount=11).

Works like a charm. I couldn't notice any regressions!
+1 for gutsy integration! We really need that dnd stuff...

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[lazka]

I've installed the following deb with the patch applied: 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3335858&postcount=11
it works for me  (latest gutsy)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[amano]

This would be great, if it could be included for Gutsy.

Since it just adds a protocol, regressions don't seem to be probable.

Maybe Sebastien should consider this patch for inclusion since it fixes
a big regression because up until Edgy Eft dragging and dropping files
from FileRoller to the desktop  at least partly worked. For all those
switching from the Dapper LTS this would be a new regression.

And yeah, thanks for your patch, Amos. Sometimes wonders DO happen.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[LEVIS Cyril]

Cool ! 
Thanks for the patch!!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen]

We love you Amos!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

I've just posted a patch against nautilus 2.18.1 on gnome bugzilla that adds 
XdndDirectSave support.
The code is adapted from Thunar 0.8.0 (Benedikt Meurer). 

see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171655

Unfortunately I currently do not have a Gutsy install... so if somebody
can verify if this patch works against nautilus 2.19.xx it would be
great

:)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Alexander Hunziker]

Maybe the Ubuntu dev team could check with the Nautilus developers how
high on their agenda implementing XdndDirectSave is. If they reckon it's
unlikely they have this ready for Gnome 2.22, then an alternative
strategy might be to revert to the DnD Code of the older FileRoller
versions?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

There is a difference between an annoying behaviour and something
crashing your system and datas, abusing the severity is of no use, I'll
mark it High which is likely the correct setting

** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Medium => High

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Vytas]

Ubuntu may face a bad review on osnews ;D

OK, now seriously.
As I've wrote, I tried looking into this myself. This is FAR from trivial. 
Nautilus source isn't the cleanest code on earth, especially that DnD part. 
There exists and old patch to add XdndDirectSave to nautilus, but it's just too 
old, and doesn't work at all (not sure if it ever did). So I am not surprised 
no one managed to fix this in the last GNOME release cycle, Sure Canonical 
could hire a developer to fix this problem, but their resources are limited too 
I guess.

So, in short, this is the case where UBUNTU/GNOME NEEDS YOUR HELP!


What I don't like about Ubuntu developers though, this bug is marked as 
'Medium' importance. This is ridiculous. It actually is critical, I can imagine 
people trying to drag-n-drop files from archive and shouting WTF?!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[mangar]

I agree with Eugenia - it may not be a critical bug, but it is a highly
visible, and therefore, from user perspective, a critical one.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

That's a kind of a feature that Apple or MS would never ship without.
Ubuntu must get some priorities straight.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Piotr Makowski]

I can confirm this bug in 7.04 and 7.10 tribe4

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

That's why the bug is not closed yet

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[George Dhoore]

Drag-and-drop to nautilus still does not work in fully updated Gutsy as
of July, 29th 2007.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Alessio Treglia]

I can confirm this bug


Ubuntu Feisty Fawn 7.04

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ari]

Is there any known workaround / manual patching that can be done to get
this working?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[xcxcx112]

Yes! i can confirm this bug too.
file-roller does not support drag-and-drop files in Ubuntu Feisty 7.04 Final.
it was working well in Edgy, now it seems to be broken. :(

File Roller 2.18.1
Ubuntu Feisty 7.04 Final.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Paco Avila]

My critique was constructive: the implementation of a new protocol
should be coordinated in the release so all applications can
communicate. From my point of view this is not a File-roller problem,
but a general GNOME problem.

I am the main admin at http://www.guia-ubuntu.org/, so I spend a lot of
time and contribute actively to Ubuntu. Also report any bug I see. This
is also a contribution.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[VF]

Sorry Amos, I wasn't trying to criticize. I'm letting people know why
this was released: File Roller in its current state is useful for
Thunar/XFCE users because Thunar implements the necessary protocol. The
necessary protocol is NOT "misunderstood by all major applications."

My "completely broken" comment was aimed at trying to get people who
seem very upset about this to calm down and realize people will be
trying to fix it, though I suppose I phrased it poorly.


Emotions seem to be running high here for some reason, everyone needs to calm 
down and relax.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

To Paco Avila:

"Why not wait until implementing this protocol it the others apps" : 
development must start somewhere... what if nautilus implemented it but nothing 
used it? Wouldn't it be the same situation? 
Instead of just criticizing people about what they can afford to do or not do 
for FREE (software), why don't you start to contribute actively or just limit 
yourself to somewhat more constructive critiques?
"Thunar implements it." : if you like it, use it!... but then don't go on the 
thunar bugs page and file bugs just because there are features that "nautilus 
implements" and thunar not.

To VF:

Now it's not completely broken... thanks to developers, it's halfway
fixed, and we can expect a complete fix for the next release. If you
think it's so easy to fix, that it's just a problem of motivation, why
don't you fix it yourself? Or propose a bounty for that?

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[VF]

Thunar implements it.

Anyway everybody, look on the bright side: Now that it's COMPLETELY
broken, maybe it'll motivate someone to fix this bug for good.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Paco Avila]

GNOME people is amazing: file-roller uses an DragNDrop protocolo which
is misunderstood by other major applications (Nautilus, gEdit, ...) so,
why use it? Why not wait until implementing this protocol it the others
apps?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[yemu]

yes it WAS released with this bug, is there any chance for fixing it
now?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Paco Avila]

So, 7.04 will be released with this bug?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

That's not going to change in 7.04 now

** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Albert Santoni]

Vytas: It seems like the easiest fix in the short term would be to
revert File-Roller to using the older protocol. Is someone willing to do
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Vytas]

Well, as I can see the problem is that bug with file roller was fixed
upstream in 2.18, it switched to 'XdndDirectSave0' target instead of
'text/uri-list'. Nautilus does not support this yet, so it doesn't work
with nautilus.

What should we do here?
1) implement this feature in nautilus and patch it
2) add older protocol to file-roller
3) just revert file roller to use older protocol (easiest, just pasting some 
code from 2.16)
4) do nothing and have broken DnD in feisty file-roller+nautilus

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Vytas]

This is an old bug, that file-roller must be fast enough to unarchive
files while user is performing drag-and-drop, or the operation
(partially) fails. This bug is annoying, but not so severe.

The new problem is that drag-and-drop is completely broken, we should
try to fix that before feisty is released IMHO

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bogdan Butnaru]

This is an old bug as far as I know. Initially the behavior was the one
described above, but now drag and drop doesn't work at all. There are
some bugs registered on that, this should probably have it's name
changed and linked as a duplicate.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Vytas]

Feisty release is soon, I'll try to review it myself today with 2.18.0
vanilla tarball

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Vytas]

Drag and drop is not functioning completely for me with all archives
types and file types/folders inside.

Up to date feisty

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen]

@Sebastian.

You are right. It was a rant. I shouldn't have done that.
Yet I don't 'assume' this can be fixed. If I unstand the upstream bug report, 
nautilus needs to implement something, for this to work.

But I was out of line with my tone, sorry about that.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bogdan Butnaru]

To Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen: as far as I can tell, it does work using the
Extract button. You probably have the issue from bug 80755, look there
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

The comments on that bugs have no real use, complaining will not make
the bug fixed faster. We acknowledge that's a problem and should be
fixed, the thing is that there is over a thousand desktop bugs open at
the moment and few people working on them and we can't work on
everything at the same time. The versions are still being updated and
feisty is not stable yet and we will fix lot of bugs before that. What
would be useful is somebody trying to debug that to help the desktop
team which has lot to do already

Replacing a program or reverting it to the previous version to avoid
fixing a bug is not really constructive behaviour neither. What about
trying to fix the bug rather than replacing it by an another program
which has got not as much testing. It has dnd working, it might also
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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen]

I found Xarchiver to be a capable replacement. 
It doesn't drag & drop as well, but at least you can press the 'extract' button 
and actually have some files extracted.

With file-roller there is currently -no way- to extract files. 
You can't drag & drop, clicking the extract button brings up a dialog that 
refuses to extract files. Hence: you can't extract files.

At least one of the bugs in file-roller should be fixed before feisty's
release or the whole package should be removed from the default install
(preferbly replaced by Xarchiver).

PS. Why can't we use an older version of file-roller? At least the
extract-button used to work. See also bug:

  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/74002

It doesn't work anymore either. So 99% of the users won't be able to
extract files. I would prefer a fix to the extract-button thingie at
least, but otherwise I strongly suggest we replace this package with
Xarchiver.

If it doesn't get fixed, I know I will be replacing this on all the
desktops I manage. (including a small office). I really can't tell these
people to 'workaround' bugs and advocate the use of Ubuntu instead of
Windows at the same time.

Besides, if a package is useless because its core function isn't
working, what's the point of keeping it in the repo's. But that's
another discussion. (kicking completely broken packages out the repo's)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bogdan Butnaru]

It might be, but as long as Ubuntu doesn't offer an alternative that
works as users expect it --- since Ubuntu is desktop-oriented, there are
some things people expect --- it's an Ubuntu problem.

We don't even tell people the program in question is File-Roller. We
call it "Archive manager". For anyone that's not very familiar with
computer insides, that's "Ubuntu's archive manager".

I agree that this might need upstream attention, but what's an Ubuntu
bug if this isn't one? I mean, if a program distributed by default on
all Ubuntu distributions works badly because of upstream, isn't that an
Ubuntu problem too? (What if it looks ugly? What if it looks defective?
(like this one) What if it deletes hard-drives?)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

That's an upstream bug, not an Ubuntu one

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[LordFarquaad]

I confirm that It does not work at all under Feisty. I think this is a
too bad regression because it is really anti-ergonomic: without this
feature managing archives is not at all user-friendly. This kind of
misfeature might even make some people leave Ubuntu I think...

IMHO its importance should thus be more serious than medium: it should
be fixed before Feisty's release... please

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen]

In feisty drap and drop stopped working _completely_

Nice to see progress, heh? Is there an alternative program we can use?
Because this one is pretty much completely broken now .. no gnome-VFS support, 
no drag & drop, no extracting of selected files .. (only of all files). 

I would like to just replace this program .. any one know any good
alternatives?

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bug Watch Updater]

** Changed in: nautilus (upstream)
   Status: Unknown => Confirmed

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Daniel Holbach]

Fixed in CVS - now depends on
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171655 getting fixed.

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #171655
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171655

** Also affects: nautilus (upstream) via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171655
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

** Bug 59635 has been marked a duplicate of this bug

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Bug Watch Updater]

** Changed in: fileroller (upstream)
   Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

** Bug 49354 has been marked a duplicate of this bug

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Nicolò Chieffo]

well, I have good news! I've just installed suse 10.1 and file-roller
seems to support drag and drop well! this means that we could see which
patch suse used and incorporate it in ubuntu too!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Amos Brocco]

uhm... I think that Xarchiver does not support drag n' drop at all 

It seems that I've found an argument in defense of File-Roller...
I've tried to drag and drop things from Ark (the KDE equivalent of File-Roller) 
to Konqueror and I get the same behavior: I have to wait with the button 
pressed until the file is uncompressed in the temporary directory and then the 
URI is passed to the drop target (I've tried with the vmware player Ubuntu 
image... a big file of 543M compressed and several gigs when uncompressed).

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong (I just installed KDE to test this... 
so I'm not a K-expert). 

(small note: I've also noticed that it is not possible to drag things from Ark 
to Nautilus, but it is possible to drag from File-Roller to Konqueror.)

I think that the solution to this problem (without hacking with dnd protocol or 
nautilus) is to implement a gnome-vfs extension as it's proposed in gnome-bug 
page for this bug (so that it is possible to pass a list of pipelined 
zip/tar/... uri's to the drop target)




Note: I've tried with KDE on Breezy

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

Switching to a new app to avoid a bug is not a good idea, especially
just before a new distribution version. We appreciate your interest for
that bug, but the way to help getting them fixed is to work on a patch.
We known that's an issue so no need to keep sending comment saying it
has to be fixed. If it's not fixed yet that's just because the few
people working on the Ubuntu desktop and upstream on that are too busy,
and a flood of comment will not make a difference on that

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Paco Avila]

Perhaps it is a good solution...

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[mangar]

If there isn't any patch available, what about changing the 
default archive manager? 

for example:
xarchiver:
http://xarchiver.xfce.org/ 
or 
xarchive:
http://xarchive.sourceforge.net/

(that's what i've found on gnomefiles.org, sorry for not trying harder..)

Those might not be the official gnome utilities, but if they work,
and adhere to the FOSS license, why not use them  (especially  
with the goal of long term support)?

thanks in advance!

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

maybe writting that change is not that easy? maybe canonical people are
really busy and that's not the top priority (file-roller is only an
application of the set shipped and maybe not the most important one, and
there is a button for that function)

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Paco Avila]

I think so, why can't Canonical fix this bug? For most people this bug
makes File-roller unusable. Yes it is a silly bug, but people dislike
strange programs behaviour.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Joseph Garvin]

I don't mean to sound like some unwilling-to-contribute-will-just-whine sort of 
user, but frankly, Canonical should be writing the patch if nobody has stepped 
up to do so yet. While one of the advantages of open source from a user's 
perspective is that you can fix bugs on your own given the time, one of the 
advantages of open source as a business model is that you have the code to all 
of your product's (Ubuntu's) bundled software, so you're not stuck waiting for 
upstream to implement their own fix while you have deadlines to keep.

Dapper is going to be a supported release for 3 years. I think it's in your own 
interest not to ship a broken product.

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[Bug 13199] Re: Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky

[Sebastien Bacher]

your patch is welcome if you have one

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