[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
Same bug for me on Jaunty. I have an integrated audio card (it's a laptop). -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: Incomplete => New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Hardy. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
Given the ongoing udev/dB work in upstream git, we can lower the importance of this issue. ** Changed in: alsa-utils (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium => Wishlist -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: New => Incomplete -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Kubuntu Feisty. If either master or PCM is not zero, there is still volume. ** Tags added: kmix -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This is still present in Gutsy. It seems clear that ALSA isn't going to be fixed, so it's time we think about hacking around it. The Gnome volume control app should manually set the device to muted when turned all the way down, rather than just setting the volume to 0. What's very curious about this is you can get some weird behavior. Open up a movie in totem, then turn your system volume to 0. You'll still hear sound. But, strangely, that sound will then get quieter when you lower the totem volume, even though in theory everything should be "muted." ** Also affects: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #319139 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139 ** Also affects: alsa-utils via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
> What's very curious about this is you can get some weird behavior. > Open up a movie in totem, then turn your system volume to 0. You'll > still hear sound. But, strangely, that sound will then get quieter > when you lower the totem volume, even though in theory everything > should be "muted." What is so strange? Two cases that may explain that behaviour: * Alsamixer does not have a clue what is the maximum/minimum volume of the device. So setting volume ~0 does not actually sets the device to the minimum volume. * Alsamixer defines incorrectly the relation between the master and PCM. That is, huge changes in the master may result in small changes in PCM volume: you change master from 50% to 0% (mixer) volume, but the PCM goes from 50% to 25% (real) volume. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: Unknown => New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
there is discussing about volume 0 and muting in other bugs no need of a gnome-applets task there ** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low Status: New => Invalid -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Tags added: sound -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Rejected -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Daniel T Chen I urge you to reconsider your decision. The user case is clear: I am listening to music (not to a CD, not to sound from the input line, it is PCM output). The volume is controlled by the PCM slide. Moving the slide to 0 does not turn the volume off. I know how to unmute and mute, thanks. That is not the point. Setting the volume slide to 0 should do precisely that: set the volume level to zero. Otherwise there is something odd with the relation between the volume slide value and the actual volume. All this applies to amixer, so it is an issue with ALSA, not gnome. Finally, although I have already explained why muting/unmuting is not the point here, it is worth metioning the following: Yes, you are right "Muting PCM does not automatically imply that _all_ output should be muted". However, muting PCM DOES imply that all output THROUGH PCM should be muted. Or are you saying that muting the CD output does not imply that all the output from the CD should be muted? Therefore, please, revert the status back to Confirmed. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Actually, no. I am not going to wait until you revert it back. Sorry, this bug is assigned to Ben Collins. And if he decides to reject it, I will also argue with him but I will never change the status back. However, as far as I know you have rejected it without asking Ben. So please, next time check with the assignee first. ** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Status: Rejected => Confirmed -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Daniel; you suggest that for those of using the gnome mixer stuff that we should file a bug against that; I did (24090) - it got closed because it is similar to this one - I can't win hey? I suggest there really are two separate bugs: 1) Somewhere in the mixer hardware/driver a setting of '0' on the 'master' mixer does not cause the output to be muted; it is possible that this is what the hardware expects; but it's also possible its just a driver bug; either way it either needs fixing in the driver or actually definining that '0' is just quieter than '1'; and needs to be consistant accross different cards. 2) The gnome-applet expects '0' to be equivalent to mute and thus displays its mute symbol (and doesn't let you set the real mute). Hence why I filed 24090. I suggest reopening 24090 to attack the gnome bug; I'm not sure what the right answer to (1) is - if the hardware really doesn't mute on 0 volume then I guess it's ok to define it like that; but it is probably confusing as hell but I guess it isn't consistant accross the different cards. (The text of the reject in 24090 seems odd - it seems to ref bug 10155 which is completely different) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Dave Gilbert Volume 0 is the same as mute. If it is not now, then it should be. Clearly, gnome people understand this: if the volume is zero they show the muted icon. That said, feel free to reopen bug 24090. You may also ask directly to GNOME people (http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139) whether they think this is a bug in gnome or in alsa. (10155 was the bug number of bug 16454 when Ubuntu was using bugzilla) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
I have to agree with Daniel about this not being a kernel bug. This has to be a mixer problem. If putting both Master and PCM at zero mutes, it, but leaving one on zero and the other not, doesn't mute it, then that's a mixer logic error. Also, if gnome "assumes zero is mute", then maybe gnome should actually mute it when it's put on zero (sort of an indirect mute). ** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: linux-source-2.6.15 => gnome-media Assignee: Ben Collins => (unassigned) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Ben Collins For me, it happens also when using "alsamixer", not only when using gnome-mixer. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
For me, it seems to be the master volume that is the problem, not the PCM volume. I can't hear anything with PCM at 0, but with PCM up and Master at 0 then I can hear it. (ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
not a GNOME bug, reassigning to alsa ** Changed in: gnome-media (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: gnome-media => alsa-utils -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
For me this seems to be dependent on audio card. I have seen this behaviour with two on-board audio cards. Puting an Creative Live PCI card fixed it on both machines. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Gutsy. > This is still present in Gutsy. It seems clear that ALSA isn't going to be > fixed, so it's time we think > about hacking around it. Since this happens only with Ubuntu and not with Zenwalk I somehow doubt it's ALSA who's at fault. I don't remember it happening with Xubuntu either, but I don't remember it not happening either. > For me this seems to be dependent on audio card. If that is the case, why does this happen only with Ubuntu and not with Zenwalk? -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.PCM_0" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478850/1.amixer.PCM_0 -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.PCM_0.muted" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478861/1.amixer.PCM_0.muted -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.master_0" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478863/1.amixer.master_0 -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.master_0.muted" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478865/1.amixer.master_0.muted -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Hello. I've been wondering at the same issue on Kubuntu Dapper. Sound output is functional when PCM _or_ master volume is set to 0. Only when _either_ one of these gets muted (from e.g. kmix), does sound output stop. I'll attach the requested files (with the prefix "1."). "PCM_0" and "master_0" indicate the volume is set to 0 on the indicated channel. Here's the relevant output from 'diff': $ diff 1.amixer.PCM_0 1.amixer.PCM_0.muted 52,53c52,53 < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [on] < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [on] --- > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] diff 1.amixer.master_0 1.amixer.master_0.muted 6,7c6,7 < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [on] < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [on] --- > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] PS. The volume control in alsa acts somewhat strangely. With PCM volume at reasonable levels, the master volume slider doesn't affect the audible volume for roughly half the way from zero upwards. Only when above this threshold, does the audible volume change. Is there a technical (hardware) reason for why this happens? Or is this an issue that would warrant a separate bug report? ** Attachment added: "1.cards" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478845/1.cards -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Bug 62226 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
This is still valid in Dapper. I am using Kubuntu now and by setting either Master or PCM to zero and the other to a high value, I still hear sound coming throught PCM. If Master is zero I shouldn't hear anything, no matter what level PCM is. If PCM is zero I shouldn't hear any PCM sound, no matter what level Master is. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
This bug is still present in Feisty. This bug is almost 2 years old! I know that if its an alsa bug there is only so much we can do. But even if you have to pay them this bug needs to be fixed. It is somewhat of a show-stopper. If someone gets a phone call or enters an official are with their laptop and they lower their volume all the way down and it doesnt work it will be very frustrating. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Summary changed: - sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 + Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. ** Description changed: - if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music playing - through xmms. + if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music + playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can here sound even + if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear + anything. - Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. + Steps to reproduce: - Oh, and Master Volume usually is set to high when this happens [>80]. + 1. Play a sound file using an audio player + 2. Open up alsa-mixer + 3. Lower the PCM volume + 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. + 5. Lower the Master volume + 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. ** Tags added: alsa-mixer gnome-volume-control pcm volume ** Description changed: - if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music - playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can here sound even + if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound + playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. ** Description changed: if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. + 7. Mute either Master or PCM + 8. Observe that all sound stops playing. ** Description changed: if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even - if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear - anything. + if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once Master or PCM is muted, you can't + hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. 7. Mute either Master or PCM 8. Observe that all sound stops playing. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
I have the same problem. ¿Will it be fix at gutsy? -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: Incomplete => New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: New => Incomplete -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Kubuntu Feisty. If either master or PCM is not zero, there is still volume. ** Tags added: kmix -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This is still present in Gutsy. It seems clear that ALSA isn't going to be fixed, so it's time we think about hacking around it. The Gnome volume control app should manually set the device to muted when turned all the way down, rather than just setting the volume to 0. What's very curious about this is you can get some weird behavior. Open up a movie in totem, then turn your system volume to 0. You'll still hear sound. But, strangely, that sound will then get quieter when you lower the totem volume, even though in theory everything should be "muted." ** Also affects: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #319139 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139 ** Also affects: alsa-utils via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
> What's very curious about this is you can get some weird behavior. > Open up a movie in totem, then turn your system volume to 0. You'll > still hear sound. But, strangely, that sound will then get quieter > when you lower the totem volume, even though in theory everything > should be "muted." What is so strange? Two cases that may explain that behaviour: * Alsamixer does not have a clue what is the maximum/minimum volume of the device. So setting volume ~0 does not actually sets the device to the minimum volume. * Alsamixer defines incorrectly the relation between the master and PCM. That is, huge changes in the master may result in small changes in PCM volume: you change master from 50% to 0% (mixer) volume, but the PCM goes from 50% to 25% (real) volume. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: Unknown => New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
there is discussing about volume 0 and muting in other bugs no need of a gnome-applets task there ** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low Status: New => Invalid -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
Given the ongoing udev/dB work in upstream git, we can lower the importance of this issue. ** Changed in: alsa-utils (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium => Wishlist -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
For me this seems to be dependent on audio card. I have seen this behaviour with two on-board audio cards. Puting an Creative Live PCI card fixed it on both machines. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Gutsy. > This is still present in Gutsy. It seems clear that ALSA isn't going to be > fixed, so it's time we think > about hacking around it. Since this happens only with Ubuntu and not with Zenwalk I somehow doubt it's ALSA who's at fault. I don't remember it happening with Xubuntu either, but I don't remember it not happening either. > For me this seems to be dependent on audio card. If that is the case, why does this happen only with Ubuntu and not with Zenwalk? -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Hardy. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
Same bug for me on Jaunty. I have an integrated audio card (it's a laptop). -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.PCM_0" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478850/1.amixer.PCM_0 -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.PCM_0.muted" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478861/1.amixer.PCM_0.muted -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.master_0" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478863/1.amixer.master_0 -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.master_0.muted" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478865/1.amixer.master_0.muted -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Hello. I've been wondering at the same issue on Kubuntu Dapper. Sound output is functional when PCM _or_ master volume is set to 0. Only when _either_ one of these gets muted (from e.g. kmix), does sound output stop. I'll attach the requested files (with the prefix "1."). "PCM_0" and "master_0" indicate the volume is set to 0 on the indicated channel. Here's the relevant output from 'diff': $ diff 1.amixer.PCM_0 1.amixer.PCM_0.muted 52,53c52,53 < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [on] < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [on] --- > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] diff 1.amixer.master_0 1.amixer.master_0.muted 6,7c6,7 < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [on] < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [on] --- > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] PS. The volume control in alsa acts somewhat strangely. With PCM volume at reasonable levels, the master volume slider doesn't affect the audible volume for roughly half the way from zero upwards. Only when above this threshold, does the audible volume change. Is there a technical (hardware) reason for why this happens? Or is this an issue that would warrant a separate bug report? ** Attachment added: "1.cards" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478845/1.cards -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
This bug is still present in Feisty. This bug is almost 2 years old! I know that if its an alsa bug there is only so much we can do. But even if you have to pay them this bug needs to be fixed. It is somewhat of a show-stopper. If someone gets a phone call or enters an official are with their laptop and they lower their volume all the way down and it doesnt work it will be very frustrating. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Summary changed: - sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 + Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. ** Description changed: - if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music playing - through xmms. + if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music + playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can here sound even + if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear + anything. - Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. + Steps to reproduce: - Oh, and Master Volume usually is set to high when this happens [>80]. + 1. Play a sound file using an audio player + 2. Open up alsa-mixer + 3. Lower the PCM volume + 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. + 5. Lower the Master volume + 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. ** Tags added: alsa-mixer gnome-volume-control pcm volume ** Description changed: - if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music - playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can here sound even + if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound + playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. ** Description changed: if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. + 7. Mute either Master or PCM + 8. Observe that all sound stops playing. ** Description changed: if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even - if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear - anything. + if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once Master or PCM is muted, you can't + hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. 7. Mute either Master or PCM 8. Observe that all sound stops playing. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
I have the same problem. ¿Will it be fix at gutsy? -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: Incomplete => New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
Same bug for me on Jaunty. I have an integrated audio card (it's a laptop). -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Kubuntu Feisty. If either master or PCM is not zero, there is still volume. ** Tags added: kmix -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This is still present in Gutsy. It seems clear that ALSA isn't going to be fixed, so it's time we think about hacking around it. The Gnome volume control app should manually set the device to muted when turned all the way down, rather than just setting the volume to 0. What's very curious about this is you can get some weird behavior. Open up a movie in totem, then turn your system volume to 0. You'll still hear sound. But, strangely, that sound will then get quieter when you lower the totem volume, even though in theory everything should be "muted." ** Also affects: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #319139 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139 ** Also affects: alsa-utils via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
> What's very curious about this is you can get some weird behavior. > Open up a movie in totem, then turn your system volume to 0. You'll > still hear sound. But, strangely, that sound will then get quieter > when you lower the totem volume, even though in theory everything > should be "muted." What is so strange? Two cases that may explain that behaviour: * Alsamixer does not have a clue what is the maximum/minimum volume of the device. So setting volume ~0 does not actually sets the device to the minimum volume. * Alsamixer defines incorrectly the relation between the master and PCM. That is, huge changes in the master may result in small changes in PCM volume: you change master from 50% to 0% (mixer) volume, but the PCM goes from 50% to 25% (real) volume. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: Unknown => New -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
there is discussing about volume 0 and muting in other bugs no need of a gnome-applets task there ** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low Status: New => Invalid -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Hardy. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Tags added: sound -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Rejected -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Daniel T Chen I urge you to reconsider your decision. The user case is clear: I am listening to music (not to a CD, not to sound from the input line, it is PCM output). The volume is controlled by the PCM slide. Moving the slide to 0 does not turn the volume off. I know how to unmute and mute, thanks. That is not the point. Setting the volume slide to 0 should do precisely that: set the volume level to zero. Otherwise there is something odd with the relation between the volume slide value and the actual volume. All this applies to amixer, so it is an issue with ALSA, not gnome. Finally, although I have already explained why muting/unmuting is not the point here, it is worth metioning the following: Yes, you are right "Muting PCM does not automatically imply that _all_ output should be muted". However, muting PCM DOES imply that all output THROUGH PCM should be muted. Or are you saying that muting the CD output does not imply that all the output from the CD should be muted? Therefore, please, revert the status back to Confirmed. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Actually, no. I am not going to wait until you revert it back. Sorry, this bug is assigned to Ben Collins. And if he decides to reject it, I will also argue with him but I will never change the status back. However, as far as I know you have rejected it without asking Ben. So please, next time check with the assignee first. ** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Status: Rejected => Confirmed -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Daniel; you suggest that for those of using the gnome mixer stuff that we should file a bug against that; I did (24090) - it got closed because it is similar to this one - I can't win hey? I suggest there really are two separate bugs: 1) Somewhere in the mixer hardware/driver a setting of '0' on the 'master' mixer does not cause the output to be muted; it is possible that this is what the hardware expects; but it's also possible its just a driver bug; either way it either needs fixing in the driver or actually definining that '0' is just quieter than '1'; and needs to be consistant accross different cards. 2) The gnome-applet expects '0' to be equivalent to mute and thus displays its mute symbol (and doesn't let you set the real mute). Hence why I filed 24090. I suggest reopening 24090 to attack the gnome bug; I'm not sure what the right answer to (1) is - if the hardware really doesn't mute on 0 volume then I guess it's ok to define it like that; but it is probably confusing as hell but I guess it isn't consistant accross the different cards. (The text of the reject in 24090 seems odd - it seems to ref bug 10155 which is completely different) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Dave Gilbert Volume 0 is the same as mute. If it is not now, then it should be. Clearly, gnome people understand this: if the volume is zero they show the muted icon. That said, feel free to reopen bug 24090. You may also ask directly to GNOME people (http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139) whether they think this is a bug in gnome or in alsa. (10155 was the bug number of bug 16454 when Ubuntu was using bugzilla) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
I have to agree with Daniel about this not being a kernel bug. This has to be a mixer problem. If putting both Master and PCM at zero mutes, it, but leaving one on zero and the other not, doesn't mute it, then that's a mixer logic error. Also, if gnome "assumes zero is mute", then maybe gnome should actually mute it when it's put on zero (sort of an indirect mute). ** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: linux-source-2.6.15 => gnome-media Assignee: Ben Collins => (unassigned) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Ben Collins For me, it happens also when using "alsamixer", not only when using gnome-mixer. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
For me, it seems to be the master volume that is the problem, not the PCM volume. I can't hear anything with PCM at 0, but with PCM up and Master at 0 then I can hear it. (ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
not a GNOME bug, reassigning to alsa ** Changed in: gnome-media (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: gnome-media => alsa-utils -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
Given the ongoing udev/dB work in upstream git, we can lower the importance of this issue. ** Changed in: alsa-utils (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium => Wishlist -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: alsa-utils Status: New => Incomplete -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Changed in: kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
For me this seems to be dependent on audio card. I have seen this behaviour with two on-board audio cards. Puting an Creative Live PCI card fixed it on both machines. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
This bug is still present in Gutsy. > This is still present in Gutsy. It seems clear that ALSA isn't going to be > fixed, so it's time we think > about hacking around it. Since this happens only with Ubuntu and not with Zenwalk I somehow doubt it's ALSA who's at fault. I don't remember it happening with Xubuntu either, but I don't remember it not happening either. > For me this seems to be dependent on audio card. If that is the case, why does this happen only with Ubuntu and not with Zenwalk? -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-applets in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Bug 62226 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
This is still valid in Dapper. I am using Kubuntu now and by setting either Master or PCM to zero and the other to a high value, I still hear sound coming throught PCM. If Master is zero I shouldn't hear anything, no matter what level PCM is. If PCM is zero I shouldn't hear any PCM sound, no matter what level Master is. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
This bug is still present in Feisty. This bug is almost 2 years old! I know that if its an alsa bug there is only so much we can do. But even if you have to pay them this bug needs to be fixed. It is somewhat of a show-stopper. If someone gets a phone call or enters an official are with their laptop and they lower their volume all the way down and it doesnt work it will be very frustrating. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
** Summary changed: - sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 + Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. ** Description changed: - if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music playing - through xmms. + if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music + playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can here sound even + if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear + anything. - Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. + Steps to reproduce: - Oh, and Master Volume usually is set to high when this happens [>80]. + 1. Play a sound file using an audio player + 2. Open up alsa-mixer + 3. Lower the PCM volume + 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. + 5. Lower the Master volume + 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. ** Tags added: alsa-mixer gnome-volume-control pcm volume ** Description changed: - if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear music - playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can here sound even + if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound + playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. ** Description changed: if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. + 7. Mute either Master or PCM + 8. Observe that all sound stops playing. ** Description changed: if the PCM volume is set to 0 (but not muted), you can still hear sound playing. If you have good speakers or headphones you can hear sound even - if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once PCM is muted, you can't hear - anything. + if Master and PCM are set to 0. Once Master or PCM is muted, you can't + hear anything. Steps to reproduce: 1. Play a sound file using an audio player 2. Open up alsa-mixer 3. Lower the PCM volume 4. Observe that even when the PCM volume is 0 (but not muted) you can hear sound. 5. Lower the Master volume 6. Observe that even when the Master volume is very low (but not muted) you can hear sound. 7. Mute either Master or PCM 8. Observe that all sound stops playing. -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.PCM_0" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478850/1.amixer.PCM_0 -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.PCM_0.muted" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478861/1.amixer.PCM_0.muted -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.master_0" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478863/1.amixer.master_0 -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Attachment added: "1.amixer.master_0.muted" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478865/1.amixer.master_0.muted -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Hello. I've been wondering at the same issue on Kubuntu Dapper. Sound output is functional when PCM _or_ master volume is set to 0. Only when _either_ one of these gets muted (from e.g. kmix), does sound output stop. I'll attach the requested files (with the prefix "1."). "PCM_0" and "master_0" indicate the volume is set to 0 on the indicated channel. Here's the relevant output from 'diff': $ diff 1.amixer.PCM_0 1.amixer.PCM_0.muted 52,53c52,53 < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [on] < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [on] --- > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] diff 1.amixer.master_0 1.amixer.master_0.muted 6,7c6,7 < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [on] < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [on] --- > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] PS. The volume control in alsa acts somewhat strangely. With PCM volume at reasonable levels, the master volume slider doesn't affect the audible volume for roughly half the way from zero upwards. Only when above this threshold, does the audible volume change. Is there a technical (hardware) reason for why this happens? Or is this an issue that would warrant a separate bug report? ** Attachment added: "1.cards" http://librarian.launchpad.net/6478845/1.cards -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0.
I have the same problem. ¿Will it be fix at gutsy? -- Sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16454 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Tags added: sound -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Rejected -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Daniel T Chen I urge you to reconsider your decision. The user case is clear: I am listening to music (not to a CD, not to sound from the input line, it is PCM output). The volume is controlled by the PCM slide. Moving the slide to 0 does not turn the volume off. I know how to unmute and mute, thanks. That is not the point. Setting the volume slide to 0 should do precisely that: set the volume level to zero. Otherwise there is something odd with the relation between the volume slide value and the actual volume. All this applies to amixer, so it is an issue with ALSA, not gnome. Finally, although I have already explained why muting/unmuting is not the point here, it is worth metioning the following: Yes, you are right "Muting PCM does not automatically imply that _all_ output should be muted". However, muting PCM DOES imply that all output THROUGH PCM should be muted. Or are you saying that muting the CD output does not imply that all the output from the CD should be muted? Therefore, please, revert the status back to Confirmed. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Actually, no. I am not going to wait until you revert it back. Sorry, this bug is assigned to Ben Collins. And if he decides to reject it, I will also argue with him but I will never change the status back. However, as far as I know you have rejected it without asking Ben. So please, next time check with the assignee first. ** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Status: Rejected => Confirmed -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
Daniel; you suggest that for those of using the gnome mixer stuff that we should file a bug against that; I did (24090) - it got closed because it is similar to this one - I can't win hey? I suggest there really are two separate bugs: 1) Somewhere in the mixer hardware/driver a setting of '0' on the 'master' mixer does not cause the output to be muted; it is possible that this is what the hardware expects; but it's also possible its just a driver bug; either way it either needs fixing in the driver or actually definining that '0' is just quieter than '1'; and needs to be consistant accross different cards. 2) The gnome-applet expects '0' to be equivalent to mute and thus displays its mute symbol (and doesn't let you set the real mute). Hence why I filed 24090. I suggest reopening 24090 to attack the gnome bug; I'm not sure what the right answer to (1) is - if the hardware really doesn't mute on 0 volume then I guess it's ok to define it like that; but it is probably confusing as hell but I guess it isn't consistant accross the different cards. (The text of the reject in 24090 seems odd - it seems to ref bug 10155 which is completely different) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Dave Gilbert Volume 0 is the same as mute. If it is not now, then it should be. Clearly, gnome people understand this: if the volume is zero they show the muted icon. That said, feel free to reopen bug 24090. You may also ask directly to GNOME people (http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319139) whether they think this is a bug in gnome or in alsa. (10155 was the bug number of bug 16454 when Ubuntu was using bugzilla) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
I have to agree with Daniel about this not being a kernel bug. This has to be a mixer problem. If putting both Master and PCM at zero mutes, it, but leaving one on zero and the other not, doesn't mute it, then that's a mixer logic error. Also, if gnome "assumes zero is mute", then maybe gnome should actually mute it when it's put on zero (sort of an indirect mute). ** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: linux-source-2.6.15 => gnome-media Assignee: Ben Collins => (unassigned) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
@Ben Collins For me, it happens also when using "alsamixer", not only when using gnome-mixer. -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
For me, it seems to be the master volume that is the problem, not the PCM volume. I can't hear anything with PCM at 0, but with PCM up and Master at 0 then I can hear it. (ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI) -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 16454] Re: sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0
not a GNOME bug, reassigning to alsa ** Changed in: gnome-media (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: gnome-media => alsa-utils -- sound still comes out of speakers when PCM volume is set to 0 https://launchpad.net/bugs/16454 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
