[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2008-10-28 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the intrepid version displays the keycode names now

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
manu your prediction was wrong, I just booted Gutsy Tribe4 and this bug
is still thriving. This bug should be escalated to GNOME bug database.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
I took the time to report this bug into GNOME bugzilla now (it's filed
as 466058 in their system).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
How can I change the status of this bug to something other than
"Invalid". I think it's valid and should be reopened.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread Trouilliez vincent
Wowww, I had given on that one, nice to see some activity !! :o)

Yes, I too can confirm that in 2 years, each and every Ubuntu version,
stable or alpha, has never stopped to show weird hex codes. So indeed,
seeing the bug status as "invalid", is weird at best. Should be
"confirmed" or something iike that...

Mnemo, thanks for filing it upstream in Gnome BTS, though I can't believe it 
wasn't already filed ?!
I think that Malone has a feature where you can track the upstream bug report 
(which you just filed), but I don't know how to do it, and I probably don't 
have the privilege to do it anyway...

Would be nice to fix this bug, would definitely add some "polish" to the
user interface, which I thought was one of Ubuntu's main goal...

Here is hoping ! ;-)

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution team
ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not been worked has nothing
to do with the goal of Ubuntu

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread manu
On behalf of mnemo. Still valid in Gutsy Tribe4

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #466058
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** Also affects: control-center (upstream) via
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   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Trouilliez vincent
> Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution
team ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not > been worked has
nothing to do with the goal of Ubuntu

I was just being a little sarcastic with no bad intentions at all,  I
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
On the GNOME bug there was an interesting comment:
-
 Comment #3 from Jens Granseuer  (gnome-control-center developer, points: 21)
2007-08-13 17:02 UTC [reply]

This is not a bug in the shortcuts capplet. It does show the key names *if the
keys actually have names*. If they aren't mapped to proper keysyms, there's
nothing we can do about it. Your keymap needs to be fixed (see xmodmap).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
I just did a little experiment. First a booted clean from the Gutsy
Tribe 4, then before changing anything I took a screenshot of the
keyboard shortcuts dialog. It had a large number of "hex codes". Then I
switched to swedish keyboard layout and looked again. The exact same
keys had hexcodes (no change). I did this experiment because I wanted to
know if the hexcode problem was related to specific keyboard
layouts/locales.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: control-center (upstream)
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
The problem is that not all keyboards generate the same keycodes for
multimedia/internet keys. So it is not possible to map these keys out of
the box with a name (called a keysym).

To get keysyms for your keys instead of hex codes there are 2 possibilities:
1) Find out the keycodes with xev and map them to the right keysyms with xmodmap
2) Define a new keyboard model in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet which allows 
you to select the keyboard in the GNOME Keyboard Preferences.

A detailed description on how to do this can be found here: http
://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys

Perhaps somebody could set up some project and ask the community to
provide their xmodmap files and create keyboard models from this that
can be sent to xorg upstream. This would be a good and relatively easy
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
This is not a bug in GNOME Keyboard Shortcuts.

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs => Pascal De Vuyst
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread manu
KDE shows the keys correctly in KControl.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Manu,
This is because kdebase-bin package provides this file:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
This file contains keycode to keysym mappings for frequently used 
multimedia/internet keys as described in my previous comment.

As said before not every keyboard generates the same scancodes for the same 
multimedia/internet key, these keys were added later to keyboards and every 
manufacturer could choose different scancodes.
In Ubuntu we could define some buttons like Back and Forward, that have the 
same scancodes on nearly every keyboard, to work out of the box. But using a 
xmodmap file like KDE will likely result in some of your multimedia keys still 
not working or some keys being swapped.

So the question is:
Should we make some keyboard buttons work out of the box? Or should your 
keyboard model be added to xorg to make all your buttons work when selecting 
the right keyboard model in GNOME Keyboard Preferences?

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the discussion could be better placed on a mailinglist

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
What mailing list do you suggest? I'm not currently subscribed to any
Ubuntu lists.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
fixing status (even though it's not a gnome bug, we still have a problem
in ubuntu)

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
you can try the ubuntu-devel-discuss one

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-15 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Seb,
You are right, discussion started here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001454.html

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2008-10-28 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the intrepid version displays the keycode names now

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: control-center => gnome-control-center
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
manu your prediction was wrong, I just booted Gutsy Tribe4 and this bug
is still thriving. This bug should be escalated to GNOME bug database.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
I took the time to report this bug into GNOME bugzilla now (it's filed
as 466058 in their system).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
How can I change the status of this bug to something other than
"Invalid". I think it's valid and should be reopened.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread Trouilliez vincent
Wowww, I had given on that one, nice to see some activity !! :o)

Yes, I too can confirm that in 2 years, each and every Ubuntu version,
stable or alpha, has never stopped to show weird hex codes. So indeed,
seeing the bug status as "invalid", is weird at best. Should be
"confirmed" or something iike that...

Mnemo, thanks for filing it upstream in Gnome BTS, though I can't believe it 
wasn't already filed ?!
I think that Malone has a feature where you can track the upstream bug report 
(which you just filed), but I don't know how to do it, and I probably don't 
have the privilege to do it anyway...

Would be nice to fix this bug, would definitely add some "polish" to the
user interface, which I thought was one of Ubuntu's main goal...

Here is hoping ! ;-)

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution team
ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not been worked has nothing
to do with the goal of Ubuntu

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread manu
On behalf of mnemo. Still valid in Gutsy Tribe4

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #466058
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466058

** Also affects: control-center (upstream) via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466058
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Trouilliez vincent
> Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution
team ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not > been worked has
nothing to do with the goal of Ubuntu

I was just being a little sarcastic with no bad intentions at all,  I
apologize...

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
On the GNOME bug there was an interesting comment:
-
 Comment #3 from Jens Granseuer  (gnome-control-center developer, points: 21)
2007-08-13 17:02 UTC [reply]

This is not a bug in the shortcuts capplet. It does show the key names *if the
keys actually have names*. If they aren't mapped to proper keysyms, there's
nothing we can do about it. Your keymap needs to be fixed (see xmodmap).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
I just did a little experiment. First a booted clean from the Gutsy
Tribe 4, then before changing anything I took a screenshot of the
keyboard shortcuts dialog. It had a large number of "hex codes". Then I
switched to swedish keyboard layout and looked again. The exact same
keys had hexcodes (no change). I did this experiment because I wanted to
know if the hexcode problem was related to specific keyboard
layouts/locales.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: control-center (upstream)
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
The problem is that not all keyboards generate the same keycodes for
multimedia/internet keys. So it is not possible to map these keys out of
the box with a name (called a keysym).

To get keysyms for your keys instead of hex codes there are 2 possibilities:
1) Find out the keycodes with xev and map them to the right keysyms with xmodmap
2) Define a new keyboard model in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet which allows 
you to select the keyboard in the GNOME Keyboard Preferences.

A detailed description on how to do this can be found here: http
://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys

Perhaps somebody could set up some project and ask the community to
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can be sent to xorg upstream. This would be a good and relatively easy
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
This is not a bug in GNOME Keyboard Shortcuts.

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs => Pascal De Vuyst
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread manu
KDE shows the keys correctly in KControl.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Manu,
This is because kdebase-bin package provides this file:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
This file contains keycode to keysym mappings for frequently used 
multimedia/internet keys as described in my previous comment.

As said before not every keyboard generates the same scancodes for the same 
multimedia/internet key, these keys were added later to keyboards and every 
manufacturer could choose different scancodes.
In Ubuntu we could define some buttons like Back and Forward, that have the 
same scancodes on nearly every keyboard, to work out of the box. But using a 
xmodmap file like KDE will likely result in some of your multimedia keys still 
not working or some keys being swapped.

So the question is:
Should we make some keyboard buttons work out of the box? Or should your 
keyboard model be added to xorg to make all your buttons work when selecting 
the right keyboard model in GNOME Keyboard Preferences?

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the discussion could be better placed on a mailinglist

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
What mailing list do you suggest? I'm not currently subscribed to any
Ubuntu lists.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
fixing status (even though it's not a gnome bug, we still have a problem
in ubuntu)

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-15 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Seb,
You are right, discussion started here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001454.html

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2008-10-28 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the intrepid version displays the keycode names now

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
manu your prediction was wrong, I just booted Gutsy Tribe4 and this bug
is still thriving. This bug should be escalated to GNOME bug database.

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2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
I took the time to report this bug into GNOME bugzilla now (it's filed
as 466058 in their system).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
How can I change the status of this bug to something other than
"Invalid". I think it's valid and should be reopened.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread Trouilliez vincent
Wowww, I had given on that one, nice to see some activity !! :o)

Yes, I too can confirm that in 2 years, each and every Ubuntu version,
stable or alpha, has never stopped to show weird hex codes. So indeed,
seeing the bug status as "invalid", is weird at best. Should be
"confirmed" or something iike that...

Mnemo, thanks for filing it upstream in Gnome BTS, though I can't believe it 
wasn't already filed ?!
I think that Malone has a feature where you can track the upstream bug report 
(which you just filed), but I don't know how to do it, and I probably don't 
have the privilege to do it anyway...

Would be nice to fix this bug, would definitely add some "polish" to the
user interface, which I thought was one of Ubuntu's main goal...

Here is hoping ! ;-)

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution team
ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not been worked has nothing
to do with the goal of Ubuntu

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread manu
On behalf of mnemo. Still valid in Gutsy Tribe4

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #466058
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** Also affects: control-center (upstream) via
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   Importance: Unknown
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Trouilliez vincent
> Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution
team ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not > been worked has
nothing to do with the goal of Ubuntu

I was just being a little sarcastic with no bad intentions at all,  I
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
On the GNOME bug there was an interesting comment:
-
 Comment #3 from Jens Granseuer  (gnome-control-center developer, points: 21)
2007-08-13 17:02 UTC [reply]

This is not a bug in the shortcuts capplet. It does show the key names *if the
keys actually have names*. If they aren't mapped to proper keysyms, there's
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
I just did a little experiment. First a booted clean from the Gutsy
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: control-center (upstream)
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
The problem is that not all keyboards generate the same keycodes for
multimedia/internet keys. So it is not possible to map these keys out of
the box with a name (called a keysym).

To get keysyms for your keys instead of hex codes there are 2 possibilities:
1) Find out the keycodes with xev and map them to the right keysyms with xmodmap
2) Define a new keyboard model in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet which allows 
you to select the keyboard in the GNOME Keyboard Preferences.

A detailed description on how to do this can be found here: http
://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys

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provide their xmodmap files and create keyboard models from this that
can be sent to xorg upstream. This would be a good and relatively easy
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
This is not a bug in GNOME Keyboard Shortcuts.

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs => Pascal De Vuyst
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread manu
KDE shows the keys correctly in KControl.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Manu,
This is because kdebase-bin package provides this file:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
This file contains keycode to keysym mappings for frequently used 
multimedia/internet keys as described in my previous comment.

As said before not every keyboard generates the same scancodes for the same 
multimedia/internet key, these keys were added later to keyboards and every 
manufacturer could choose different scancodes.
In Ubuntu we could define some buttons like Back and Forward, that have the 
same scancodes on nearly every keyboard, to work out of the box. But using a 
xmodmap file like KDE will likely result in some of your multimedia keys still 
not working or some keys being swapped.

So the question is:
Should we make some keyboard buttons work out of the box? Or should your 
keyboard model be added to xorg to make all your buttons work when selecting 
the right keyboard model in GNOME Keyboard Preferences?

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the discussion could be better placed on a mailinglist

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
What mailing list do you suggest? I'm not currently subscribed to any
Ubuntu lists.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
fixing status (even though it's not a gnome bug, we still have a problem
in ubuntu)

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
you can try the ubuntu-devel-discuss one

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-15 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Seb,
You are right, discussion started here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001454.html

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2008-10-28 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the intrepid version displays the keycode names now

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: control-center => gnome-control-center
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
manu your prediction was wrong, I just booted Gutsy Tribe4 and this bug
is still thriving. This bug should be escalated to GNOME bug database.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
I took the time to report this bug into GNOME bugzilla now (it's filed
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
How can I change the status of this bug to something other than
"Invalid". I think it's valid and should be reopened.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread Trouilliez vincent
Wowww, I had given on that one, nice to see some activity !! :o)

Yes, I too can confirm that in 2 years, each and every Ubuntu version,
stable or alpha, has never stopped to show weird hex codes. So indeed,
seeing the bug status as "invalid", is weird at best. Should be
"confirmed" or something iike that...

Mnemo, thanks for filing it upstream in Gnome BTS, though I can't believe it 
wasn't already filed ?!
I think that Malone has a feature where you can track the upstream bug report 
(which you just filed), but I don't know how to do it, and I probably don't 
have the privilege to do it anyway...

Would be nice to fix this bug, would definitely add some "polish" to the
user interface, which I thought was one of Ubuntu's main goal...

Here is hoping ! ;-)

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution team
ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not been worked has nothing
to do with the goal of Ubuntu

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread manu
On behalf of mnemo. Still valid in Gutsy Tribe4

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #466058
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466058

** Also affects: control-center (upstream) via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466058
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Trouilliez vincent
> Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution
team ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not > been worked has
nothing to do with the goal of Ubuntu

I was just being a little sarcastic with no bad intentions at all,  I
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
On the GNOME bug there was an interesting comment:
-
 Comment #3 from Jens Granseuer  (gnome-control-center developer, points: 21)
2007-08-13 17:02 UTC [reply]

This is not a bug in the shortcuts capplet. It does show the key names *if the
keys actually have names*. If they aren't mapped to proper keysyms, there's
nothing we can do about it. Your keymap needs to be fixed (see xmodmap).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
I just did a little experiment. First a booted clean from the Gutsy
Tribe 4, then before changing anything I took a screenshot of the
keyboard shortcuts dialog. It had a large number of "hex codes". Then I
switched to swedish keyboard layout and looked again. The exact same
keys had hexcodes (no change). I did this experiment because I wanted to
know if the hexcode problem was related to specific keyboard
layouts/locales.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: control-center (upstream)
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
The problem is that not all keyboards generate the same keycodes for
multimedia/internet keys. So it is not possible to map these keys out of
the box with a name (called a keysym).

To get keysyms for your keys instead of hex codes there are 2 possibilities:
1) Find out the keycodes with xev and map them to the right keysyms with xmodmap
2) Define a new keyboard model in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet which allows 
you to select the keyboard in the GNOME Keyboard Preferences.

A detailed description on how to do this can be found here: http
://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys

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can be sent to xorg upstream. This would be a good and relatively easy
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
This is not a bug in GNOME Keyboard Shortcuts.

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs => Pascal De Vuyst
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread manu
KDE shows the keys correctly in KControl.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Manu,
This is because kdebase-bin package provides this file:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
This file contains keycode to keysym mappings for frequently used 
multimedia/internet keys as described in my previous comment.

As said before not every keyboard generates the same scancodes for the same 
multimedia/internet key, these keys were added later to keyboards and every 
manufacturer could choose different scancodes.
In Ubuntu we could define some buttons like Back and Forward, that have the 
same scancodes on nearly every keyboard, to work out of the box. But using a 
xmodmap file like KDE will likely result in some of your multimedia keys still 
not working or some keys being swapped.

So the question is:
Should we make some keyboard buttons work out of the box? Or should your 
keyboard model be added to xorg to make all your buttons work when selecting 
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the discussion could be better placed on a mailinglist

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
What mailing list do you suggest? I'm not currently subscribed to any
Ubuntu lists.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
fixing status (even though it's not a gnome bug, we still have a problem
in ubuntu)

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
you can try the ubuntu-devel-discuss one

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-15 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Seb,
You are right, discussion started here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001454.html

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
manu your prediction was wrong, I just booted Gutsy Tribe4 and this bug
is still thriving. This bug should be escalated to GNOME bug database.

** Attachment added: "weird_hex_codes_instead_of_keys.png"
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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
I took the time to report this bug into GNOME bugzilla now (it's filed
as 466058 in their system).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread mnemo
How can I change the status of this bug to something other than
"Invalid". I think it's valid and should be reopened.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-12 Thread Trouilliez vincent
Wowww, I had given on that one, nice to see some activity !! :o)

Yes, I too can confirm that in 2 years, each and every Ubuntu version,
stable or alpha, has never stopped to show weird hex codes. So indeed,
seeing the bug status as "invalid", is weird at best. Should be
"confirmed" or something iike that...

Mnemo, thanks for filing it upstream in Gnome BTS, though I can't believe it 
wasn't already filed ?!
I think that Malone has a feature where you can track the upstream bug report 
(which you just filed), but I don't know how to do it, and I probably don't 
have the privilege to do it anyway...

Would be nice to fix this bug, would definitely add some "polish" to the
user interface, which I thought was one of Ubuntu's main goal...

Here is hoping ! ;-)

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution team
ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not been worked has nothing
to do with the goal of Ubuntu

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread manu
On behalf of mnemo. Still valid in Gutsy Tribe4

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #466058
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466058

** Also affects: control-center (upstream) via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466058
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread Trouilliez vincent
> Vincent, you know that lot of bugs are opened and the distribution
team ressources are limited, the fact the bug has not > been worked has
nothing to do with the goal of Ubuntu

I was just being a little sarcastic with no bad intentions at all,  I
apologize...

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
On the GNOME bug there was an interesting comment:
-
 Comment #3 from Jens Granseuer  (gnome-control-center developer, points: 21)
2007-08-13 17:02 UTC [reply]

This is not a bug in the shortcuts capplet. It does show the key names *if the
keys actually have names*. If they aren't mapped to proper keysyms, there's
nothing we can do about it. Your keymap needs to be fixed (see xmodmap).

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-13 Thread mnemo
I just did a little experiment. First a booted clean from the Gutsy
Tribe 4, then before changing anything I took a screenshot of the
keyboard shortcuts dialog. It had a large number of "hex codes". Then I
switched to swedish keyboard layout and looked again. The exact same
keys had hexcodes (no change). I did this experiment because I wanted to
know if the hexcode problem was related to specific keyboard
layouts/locales.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: control-center (upstream)
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
The problem is that not all keyboards generate the same keycodes for
multimedia/internet keys. So it is not possible to map these keys out of
the box with a name (called a keysym).

To get keysyms for your keys instead of hex codes there are 2 possibilities:
1) Find out the keycodes with xev and map them to the right keysyms with xmodmap
2) Define a new keyboard model in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet which allows 
you to select the keyboard in the GNOME Keyboard Preferences.

A detailed description on how to do this can be found here: http
://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys

Perhaps somebody could set up some project and ask the community to
provide their xmodmap files and create keyboard models from this that
can be sent to xorg upstream. This would be a good and relatively easy
contribution to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux in general.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
This is not a bug in GNOME Keyboard Shortcuts.

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs => Pascal De Vuyst
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread manu
KDE shows the keys correctly in KControl.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Manu,
This is because kdebase-bin package provides this file:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
This file contains keycode to keysym mappings for frequently used 
multimedia/internet keys as described in my previous comment.

As said before not every keyboard generates the same scancodes for the same 
multimedia/internet key, these keys were added later to keyboards and every 
manufacturer could choose different scancodes.
In Ubuntu we could define some buttons like Back and Forward, that have the 
same scancodes on nearly every keyboard, to work out of the box. But using a 
xmodmap file like KDE will likely result in some of your multimedia keys still 
not working or some keys being swapped.

So the question is:
Should we make some keyboard buttons work out of the box? Or should your 
keyboard model be added to xorg to make all your buttons work when selecting 
the right keyboard model in GNOME Keyboard Preferences?

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the discussion could be better placed on a mailinglist

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
What mailing list do you suggest? I'm not currently subscribed to any
Ubuntu lists.

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread mnemo
fixing status (even though it's not a gnome bug, we still have a problem
in ubuntu)

** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
you can try the ubuntu-devel-discuss one

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2007-08-15 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Seb,
You are right, discussion started here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001454.html

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[Bug 25002] Re: Codes shown in Gnome Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts

2008-10-28 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the intrepid version displays the keycode names now

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: control-center => gnome-control-center
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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