[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Kristoffer Lundén
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Comment:
Thanks. Yeah, it's not the only thread on the subject either, but note
that it doesn't reach a conclusion either. =)

I'm gonna try and make my point a little more at least, because the
whole point of filing this bug was *not* to do small fixes here and
there but rather try a cure-all if possible (see new comment over
there).

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Comment:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110540 has a long discussion
of multiple rows of tabs. The upstream developers suggest to make
appropriate changes in the applications themselves (as gnome-terminal
does).

The decision is yours, either you follow up on the upstream bugs and
make your point clear in a discussion (if you feel that's the right
way), or you file bugs (upstream) on the applications, where you see the
problems.

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Bug watches changed:
+ Bug 110540 [The Gnome Bug Tracker]

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Changed in: gtk (upstream)
   Severity: Normal => Minor
   Bugwatch: None => The Gnome Bug Tracker #330676

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Also affects: gtk (upstream)   Severity: Normal
   Priority: (none set)
 Status: Unconfirmed

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Bug watches changed:
+ Bug 330676 [The Gnome Bug Tracker]

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Task: ubuntu gtk+2.0
   Severity: Normal => Minor
 Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Holbach
Public bug report changed:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Comment:
Thanks for your bug report and the explanations. I forwarded the bug to
the upstream bug tracker as:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330676

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-07 Thread earobinson
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Comment:
It would be nice if this was an setting that the user could set.

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[Bug 30749] Tabs disappear in core Gnome applications

2006-02-07 Thread Kristoffer Lundén
Public bug reported:
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30749

Affects: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu)
   Severity: Normal
   Priority: (none set)
 Status: Unconfirmed

Description:
When opening more than a few tabs in Gnome applications like Gedit,
Epiphany etc, earlier tabs suddenly disappear with no warning and almost
without trace. All that is seen are two tiny arrows beside the tabs
which allows the user to scroll the tab list to reach the other tabs.

When this happens the first few times it's a very confusing, and also
scary and upsetting experience - "where did my important tab go?" "Did I
save?" "Please, please, please be in my history".

After finding out what actually happens, and at least understanding it,
it is just incredibly annoying and unusable. The huge advantages that
tabs offer are totally lost: instant overview and one-click access.
Without those, might as well use separate windows like Internet Explorer
or Notepad, although they only get as inaccessible after their windows
have grouped on the task list.

Almost all other tabbed systems shrink their tabs when needing to, and
it works great for them. A few expand into multiple rows instead.

I thought long and hard before filing this bug, because this is a
sensitive question apparently - common opinion is that this is a
50/50-issue, some love this, others hate it. Personally I've mostly seen
hate, and I deeply, strongly feel that this must be addressed one way or
the other, so here goes.

Summary on current behaviour:

* It is scary, surprising and confusing
* It takes away the instant overview of tabs
* It takes away the instant access of tabs

I suggest that:

* GtkNotebook gets another mode of operation, where tabs shrink instead of 
disappear when space becomes scarce. 
* If use open an incredible amount of tabs, it's ok to disappear them though, 
we can't do magic and there's just so many pixels.
* Old mode of operation is also kept, and a global preference for the whole 
Gnome desktop switches all GtkNotebooks to either behaviour for all using 
applications.
* Default is changed to Resize, because:
  - That is what any tab savvy user is used to
  - That doesn't scare by making things disappear suddenly
  - It's better usability with instant overview and access
* Nice to have: multiple row tabs as third option.

So, you heard me right. I propose to add extra options to Gnome. =) I
think it's warranted though. If it's such a 50/50 issue, there can
hardly be a good default. The current behaviour is scary and
unintiuitive, but have a loyal following. Those should be able to retain
their experience, just like there is spatial and non-spatial Nautilus.

For a more humorous rant on this frustration, I wrote this post a little
while back: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124068 =)

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